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The Big Bang - Where's the Evidence?
Best I can tell Just_sayin complained about Zeus and Jules using ai to lay out some facts behind the big bang theory. You and Zeus made light of the situation. Just_sayin then used ai to make the same points he always does, science doesn't know everything, can't explain everything, as a point itself suggesting ai doesn't support the theory.... and somehow by Just's thinking making fun of his original complaints has become a strawman. I think. But I'm not all together sure on this one either.MayCaesar said:I am lost here. What are you guys debating? I see constant references to me, but I do not see much connection between my original comment and what is happening here...
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Can we survive 4 more years of Bidenomics?
@Factfinder
I would encourage everyone to not succumb to the sensationalism of the media and look at facts objectively. And the facts are such that, despite countless blunders of Biden's administration, the American economy is still by far the strongest in the world, the US dollar is the only currency taken seriously in every single country of the world, and the well-being of the average American is better than it has ever been. The idea that one bad president can somehow destroy a country full of companies like NVidia, Tesla and Capital One to me seems completely absurd.
Compare it to Putinomics. The guy nationalized the biggest independent TV channel a year into his rule, nationalized multiple gas and oil companies a couple years later, later initiated a number of bizarre military operations leading to debilitating sanctions of the Russian economy - and still the Russian economy keeps slowly growing somehow.
Heck, even the North-Korean economy has been running for nearly 80 years now and does not show signs of collapsing any time soon.
Some perspective would serve this country well. 
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Can we survive 4 more years of Bidenomics?
Biden claims the pandemic caused the economic woes but the things he did, he did intentionally and caused inflation. For instance it was policy, not disease, that tried to push America into sub standard ev's before it was time simply as a campaign promise to rid us of big oil. https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/2626496/new-figures-reveal-how-bidens-radical-ev-push-has-failed-in-key-way-2/
And of course the foolish act of declaring war on oil companies had a domino effect Joe calls Bidenomics...
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How can we tell if news is true or fake?
@Factfinder
What Einstein said my be essentially true, but is does not account for the fact that intelligent human beings exist, and those human beings will eventually realize that they are being lied to, Especially when the confident claims of the fake news media routinely turn out to be false, or that their control of the media becomes so all pervasive that their propaganda becomes so unrealistic that it loses all credibility. This is what is happening to the fake news legacy press in the USA.. However, since privately owned media does rely upon public patronage to survive economically, those media which simply pushes propaganda will eventually be shunned by the public who will seek more credible news sources. These more credible news sources will then become more financially successful, while the ideologically biased media will suffer financially to such an extent, that their owners may try to instill some reform to regain their lost credibility, The real problem is public news. Here in Australia, a former Prime Minister who was scandalized by the bias within the privately owned media, that he started publicly owned media to give some balance. The charter of the Australian Broadcasting Corporation specifically stated that it was to provide "unbiased' news reportage. But as Churchill once observed, "Every noble institution started with noble intent will eventually go rotten." And today, public broadcasting is unashamedly the PR arm of left wing politics. Taxpayers in Australia are asking why their taxes are being used to employ people who despise their country, their culture, and their race?
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A Far Leftist Extremist Manual
@FactfinderI changed number 2 to this: "Openly and radically oppose anything that is not authoritarian or totalitarian" as I think that is more fitting. I also added another line which was probable what I should have said first which is "Be illiberal and oppose any liberal ideas; they have no place in our ideology. And since technically, we are talking about far leftism and not liberalism I think that is a good fit. Also, when I use the term liberal I am talking in the classical sense.
To elaborate, liberalism in the general philsophically political sense rests on a spectrucm spanning some of the many forms of political, economic, and social ideas, which might be viewed as liberal in the United States and Social Democratic in Europe, to more moderate strains known as conservatism worldwide. Proponents for radical, progressive social change (AKA Far-Left progressive) that claim for themselves, and perhaps by themselves, that mantle of being virtuous in social and moral advancement, without which democracy indeed has no essence or substance but to disappear. The radicals among them advocated this with revolutionary zeal, paired with the oppressive and categorical repudiation of liberalism that resorted to ever-more autocratic means in pushing their rigid and dogmatic view of the ideal structure of society. - Cynical Theories: How Universities Made Everything about Race, Gender, and Identity – and Why This Harms Everybody: Helen Pluckrose and James Lindsay -
Do Placebos Actually Work?
@JulesKorngold
working on the floor i have seen placebos work. i also feel it is a safe way to treat some patients
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A Far Leftist Extremist Manual
I thought about this some more and I believe we need to agree on a standard to which a view crosses the threshold of extremism. Furthermore say we put left vs right ideologies on sphere respective of their positions. Then move those views in response to their extreme natures would both sides really move to the top of the sphere symbolizing they both become the same? I'm not so sure because there are fundamental differences between liberalism and conservatism that would motivate the far left to be more accepting of liberalism than it would be of conservatism.ZeusAres42 said:
its bothFactfinder said:@ZeusAres42
That was good. LOL The one I would challenge is this one:- Be radically skeptical of liberalism.
. its extremism after all. 
So I stand by my original response based on the evidence below that point number 2 on your list should read "Be radically skeptical of conservatism"...
https://bestdiplomats.org/left-wing-vs-right-wing/LEFT WING RIGHT WING A liberal approach to politics Conservative Approach to Politics Society benefits from an expanded role of Government Society gets negatively affected when there is an expanded role of government Economic equality can be ensured when there are higher taxes on the wealthy and the government spends heavily on social welfare programs Economic Equality is utopic and government intervention, catastrophic. Social welfare programs should be discouraged and markets should regulate themselves Emphasizes progressive and reformist policies Emphasizes Traditional and conservative policies Left-wing nationalism aligns with principles of social equality, the sovereignty of the people, and the right to self-determination. It often forms strong connections with movements focused on achieving national liberation. Right-wing nationalism is characterized by Romantic Nationalism, which asserts that a state’s legitimacy is derived from the culture it governs. This culture includes elements such as language, race, and customs that have organically evolved within that particular cultural context. Have secular tendencies and believe that the state and church should be separate from each other Have religious inclinations, and most right-wing parties believe that religion should play some role in the running of the government Champion egalitarian ideals Believe that the rights of ordinary people (the ones who are not necessarily in the limelight) are often ignored Lenient Immigration Laws because America should be a welcoming country for all Stricter and more strict Immigration Laws because America needs to protect itself before protecting others. The government’s job to regulate the economy and fix social issues Not the government’s job to regulate markets. Social Issues should be fixed by individuals. -
Whatever happened murderer Kyle Rittenhouse?
Just think of Kylie like he is an IRA "freedom fighter", Joseph. Matter of fact, I wouldn't be surprised if the Provos don't go back into business again shooting and bombing the immigrants into Ireland who amuse themselves by stabbing Irish women and little girls. -
Reasons for your siding regarding the Israely and Palestine/Hamas Conflict?
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Reasons for your siding regarding the Israely and Palestine/Hamas Conflict?
@Factfinder
In all fairness @Joseph is actually addressing things I said and has the decency to quote me whereby other people can decide for themselves if any misrepresntation is present or not, unlike @Bogan.
I really don't know what is so hard to understand by this:
"Hamas is a terrorist organzation as also stated internationally and must be dealth with accordingly. Israel has commited actions that are in violation of international law."
@Bogan I will do my best now to explain this to you in as simple terms as possible:Imagine you have two groups who are not getting along because they both want the same thing but can't agree on how to share it or who it belongs to. One group, called Hamas, has done things that many people and countries around the world think are very bad, like not playing fair or safe, which has led these people and countries to call them a "bad group." Because of this, these people and countries think this group needs to be stopped or taught to play nicely.
The other group, called Israel, has also done things that some people and countries think are not okay, like not following the rules of a big, important rulebook that everyone is supposed to play by.
So, both groups have done things that others think are wrong, and people are trying to figure out how to make them get along or at least not hurt each other. Comprende?
Maybe you could help me out with @Bogan because I don't know how to make this any more simpler. I will not be surprised if he still interprets this to mean that I am rooting for a terrorist organization. What I have actually wrote above is an exlanation that is designed for 5 year olds but I am guessing that is not going to make much of a difference.
At least @Joseph is not outright lying about what I have said. Not that I have yet noticed anyway. I have tried to be nice with Bogan here as I do feel a bit guilty of my behaviour when he first entered into this site a year or so back; I was bit of A-whole then in how I could and should have engaged in civil discourse at that time regarding that debate. However, my patience now is wearing thin.
