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  • The earth is flat

    I'm not satisfied with modern scientism's explanation for the "universe". I've searched the internet for two years now and the only proof I've found for such is pseudoscience and other logical fallacies. Maybe someone can point me in the right direction. What I'm looking for is actual curvature or axial rotation from independent, non-manipulated imagery or logic. Such from government sources and space agencies are demonstrably unreliable.
    natbaronspassedbillrandaltherepale5melanielustjoecavalrymarijuansmuchoweasearthsshapeand 11 others.
  • Should debate.org members switch to debateisland?

    The opinions and polls sections of DDO are broken, nobody can use them, so yeah. People can only use forums and debates currently. DDO is basically a giant bug.

    In the debates section, I've seen some pretty terrible ("Black rape victims who complain should be forced to work in the sex industry"), and stupid ("morality= survival truth" and basically everything by vi_Spex, "is it gay for a guy to wear girl clothes"). The debates section is extremely low quality.

    I also rarely see any debates getting voted on. Infact the majority of debates get abandoned before the voting period. The ones that get into the voting period? They usually don't get votes and when they do it's usually by the debators friends who they had waiting to vote for them, or they just get removed instantly because "I don't like how you did this little little little little little thing blah blah blah" and alot of the times, people won't even try to win debates by arguing and doing research but instead by getting their friends to vote for them as already said, or reporting opposing votes. Chances are, if they're reported, whiteflame will look for a reason to remove it if he disagrees with it. Not if they're obviously biased votes or whatever, but if he disagrees with them, RIP Vote.

    I used to be friends with someone who organized vote bombings all the time. Also, the most viewed debate on the entire site is a troll debate about a tv show character. 

    Most of the activity on the site comes from the forums section. Forums that aren't just spam and games such as Philosophy lack activity. In more active forums that aren't just spam and games, it's usually the same exact people in them.

    And you know about what I said about whiteflame? In general, the moderation is corrupt. Head moderator airmax will ban people for very small things while allowing active trolls to roam freely.

    Debate.org is dying, and now many top members are abandoning their accounts. It went from actual discussion to a bunch of trolls and spammers. 

    However there is still one thing good about debate.org: The account deactivation screen. 

     
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  • Formal Debate: The Earth is flat

    So DebateIsland recently released a new platform of debating called "Formal-ish". I will be arguing that the Earth is flat. This debate will be available for contenders for a day. @Erfisflat @Evidence

    Please don't join if your name begins with "Han-" or "Cove--", (and for the latter, we both know you only care about denying theism) because I know you're both trolls

    Opening Arguments:

    I will now state my opening arguments.

    Argument 1. NASA admitting to faking images, debunking the "independent alternatives"

    A common "proof" for a globe that I see is "NASA images". For the Earth to be flat, obviously, NASA images have to be faked. And NASA images have been debunked in many ways. 



    Image result for NASA images make up your mind

    Notice here the major discrepancy? We notice the continents shrinking, growing, changing color, etc.

    And copied and pasted clouds

    Image result for you live on a cgi digital painting

    We also have NASA directly admitting to faking images. Read my debate here: 

    http://debateisland.com/discussion/1283/nasa-admitting-to-faking-images

    Now, if the Earth were TRUELY spherical, why would NASA need to fake these images?

    I have noticed that whenever globe-Earthers are called out for NASA images, they always turn to the "Independent alternatives" red herring, usually pointing out stuff like the 2012 red bull freefall or, far, FAR more commonly, "curvature" from airplanes

    http://debateisland.com/discussion/1293/red-bull-stratos-freefall-debunked As for red bull, I've already debunked that before. 

    Image result for Curved glass artificially curves straight lines The explanation for airplane curvature is that curved glass can artifically curve straight lines, similar to a fish eye lense 
    Related image


    Argument 2. The Chicago Skyline

    (Credit to @Erfisflat

    One of the most compelling arguments that convinced me into a flat Earth was @Erfisflat 's Chicago skyline argument.



    According to the globe model, this should be impossible and Chicago should instead disappear over the horizon but this is not the case. The common explanation is that this is just a mirage, but if you have actually seen a mirage you will know this is not true.


    Image result for inferior mirage vs superior mirage



    3. No evidence of curvature.

    We are widely told we can see curvature at 35,000 feet. However..


    Lets first look at this video, which shows flatness from 34,000 to 38,000 feet:


    (It is claimed we can see curvature at around this height, specifically at 35,000 feet, but yet we see none).

    No curvature at 121,000 feet:


    No Curvature at 317,000 feet:




    As already mentioned it is claimed we can see curvature around 35,000 feet, but we see none at 38,000, 121,000, or 317,000 feet.

    4. Flight patterns

    There are many flight patterns that make no sense on a sphere, but they do on a flat earth. First off lets look at antarctica. As we know, these routes do not exist: 


    We are told that we do not go on these routes because it is too cold, and that the planes instruments would freeze, but we are also told that we have gone to places much more frigid than anything expirenced on Earth. So, why shouldn't planes be able to take shorter routes over Antarctica? The "explanation" about planes instruments freezing is more of an excuse than an explanation.



    Then look at this. On a ball earth, during a flight to Johannesburg to Perth, it should be a straight shot over the ocean and we should be able to land for refueling in Mauritus or Madagascar. But instead, most flights will stop in Dubai, Hong Kong, or Malaysia. It should also be a straight shot over the atlantic to go to Johannesburg to Sao Paulo, but many flights instead make a re-feuling in London, which would be impossible on a spherical Earth. 

    5. Proving the Geocentric sun.













    While I understand this does step away from the flat Earth a bit, I am including this here to stop the flood of "tim zoncs"

    If you have any responses to this, please post it here. If you give up on the globe, post that here.

    6. Extras


    (the latter gives other proofs of a flat earth)
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  • De Blasio: It’s ‘Distressing’ ICE Is Arresting ‘Law-Abiding’ Illegal Immigrants

    I agree with the assessment that a person who is in the country illegal has broken the law.  The question is who is responsible for enforcing immigration laws and if we as a society choose to task police with this responsibility what are the impact to law enforcement of that decision.  How are we going to pay to keep illegals in local jails until they are transferred to ICE?   Are communities of immigrants going to distance themselves even more from police? What are we doing with the children of immigrants that are deported?  How are we funding that operation?
    I can understand the argument of illegal workers and their effect on the economy.  My concern is tasking police with immigration duties and massive deportations are all good head liners, but I have not seen a comprehensive treatment of this problem that accounts for the impact on affected communities and how we are dealing with american children once their parents are deported.
    I think there should be a path to becoming a legal citizens for those who can take advantage of it.  It should include paying higher taxes for a period of time to fund the hidden costs of dealing with illegal immigration.
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  • NASA admitting to faking images

    @Fascism I did provide a link showing NASA admitting they fake images, but you don't need their word to see it.



    The continents grow, the continents shrink, the continents change color



    Copied and pasted clouds

    My question is why they would need to fake images of the Earth so blatantly if the Earth was truely a ball floating in outerspace, going around the sun faster than sound (Which should prevent us from hearing anything at all, but it doesnt cuz gravituh), specifically around a sun going around the galaxy at 66,000 MPH, specifically a galaxy moving around some magical singularity faster than light (which I thought was scientifically impossible)
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  • Term Artificial Intelligence is derogatory and inappropriate

    @inc4t

    Are you using the same definition of "artificial" as the rest of us?

    Artificial means "made or produced by human beings rather than occurring naturally". You don't stumble around in the woods and come across a naturally occurring artificial intelligence, by the basic definition of what words mean an AI is an artificial intelligence rather than a natural one. Even if tomorrow someone invented an AI that was twice as brilliant as humans in every way, it would still be artificial. however please note that "artificial" =/= "bad".
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  • The earth is flat

    @Wake ;

    "Imagine just how egotistical Erfy and Silver are to believe that the Earth is the center of the universe and that all things revolve around them."

    It's not "egotistical", it's actually been well proven. But you want to blindly believe in heliocentrism, and you hate it because it's irrefutable evidence. 

    Since when did we ever say that "every other body in the universe is round"? Otherwise admit your strawman fallacy.

    The majority of globers you have wasted your time trying to debate don't care about what you are saying, they have no real rebuttals, and resort to fallacies if you say ANYTHING.
    ErfisflatSilverishGoldNovaCovenyEvidence
  • The Earth is flat 4.0

    http://www.popularmechanics.com/space/a23518/first-photo-of-earth-from-space-70-years/

    First photo of earth from space. 65 miles up. Perfectly flat.

    EvidenceSilverishGoldNova
  • Las Vegas shooting Sunday October 1 2017

    @Evidence We need stricter sound effect control!
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  • Try and Make Me Believe Atheists Have No Morals

    There's an issue with the idea that Atheism can be correct and that Atheists can possess Morality.  It's not that they can't possess it, it's just that Morality doesn't fit the evolutionary explanation, we'll use the example of "Selflessness".

    The idea that selflessness is an evolutionary result is preposterous.

    This is proven in the following logical deduction:

    Q: Why should I be selfless?
    A: Because it's supportive of the continuation of your Species.

    The problem here is that there is a presupposition.

    Q: Why should I care about the continuation of my Species?
    A: Because it's what's best for your Species.

    Yet another presupposition.

    Q: Why should I care about what's best for my Species?
    A: Because if you don't then your Species could die.

    Yet another presupposition.

    Q: Why should I care about whether or not my Species dies?
    A: Because if your species dies, then you will die.

    Problematic result.

    Q: So then if I understand this correctly, I should strive to be selfless because it's what's best for me?

    This reasoning defies the meaning of selflessness and is illogical.
    DrCerealFascismSilverishGoldNovaEvidenceMissDMeanorNonCredenti

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