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  • The earth is flat

    I'm not satisfied with modern scientism's explanation for the "universe". I've searched the internet for two years now and the only proof I've found for such is pseudoscience and other logical fallacies. Maybe someone can point me in the right direction. What I'm looking for is actual curvature or axial rotation from independent, non-manipulated imagery or logic. Such from government sources and space agencies are demonstrably unreliable.
    natbaronspassedbillrandaltherepale5melanielustjoecavalrymarijuansmuchoweasearthsshapeand 11 others.
  • Should members switch to debateisland?

    The opinions and polls sections of DDO are broken, nobody can use them, so yeah. People can only use forums and debates currently. DDO is basically a giant bug.

    In the debates section, I've seen some pretty terrible ("Black rape victims who complain should be forced to work in the sex industry"), and stupid ("morality= survival truth" and basically everything by vi_Spex, "is it gay for a guy to wear girl clothes"). The debates section is extremely low quality.

    I also rarely see any debates getting voted on. Infact the majority of debates get abandoned before the voting period. The ones that get into the voting period? They usually don't get votes and when they do it's usually by the debators friends who they had waiting to vote for them, or they just get removed instantly because "I don't like how you did this little little little little little thing blah blah blah" and alot of the times, people won't even try to win debates by arguing and doing research but instead by getting their friends to vote for them as already said, or reporting opposing votes. 
    I used to be friends with someone who organized vote bombings all the time. Also, the most viewed debate on the entire site is a troll debate about a tv show character. 

    Most of the activity on the site comes from the forums section. Forums that aren't just spam and games such as Philosophy lack activity. In more active forums that aren't just spam and games, it's usually the same exact people in them.

    And you know about what I said about whiteflame? In general, the moderation is corrupt. Head moderator airmax will ban people for very small things while allowing active trolls to roam freely. is dying, and now many top members are abandoning their accounts. It went from actual discussion to a bunch of trolls and spammers. 

    However there is still one thing good about The account deactivation screen. 

  • Israeli-Palestinian conflict debate

    there's a LOT to talk about Israel committing genocide? do Jews have a right to that land? are Palestinians committing terrorist attacks? does the media have a bias for/against either one? Were Netanyahu's actions in spreading settlements justified? How can the US intervene, and should it?
    inc4tislander507joecavalryAlwaysCorrectharrolddXhassanBonio1231AliQPolio121Tharini1321and 1 other.
  • Dinosaurs are a children's fairy tale

    Evolution pushers would have us believe that life started from a slime and, against astronomical odds gave birth to millions of different species changing into great lizards, a worldwide disaster killed off all of them, so we could never see them. Then, start the farfetched evolution process A SECOND TIME. If you honestly believe a single miner, farmer, ditch digger, foundation layer, etc. should never have found a dinosaur by now, you are gullible. Fairies, unicorns, Sandy clause, a spherical earth, your living in fantasy land. Only a pseudoscientist would look at a few old bones or teeth and dream up the likes of a T-Rex or the like.
    kmelkevolution17dropoutEvidenceaarongmedldriddle12northsouthkoreaquarislander507natbaronsand 6 others.
  • Formal Debate: The Earth is flat

    So DebateIsland recently released a new platform of debating called "Formal-ish". I will be arguing that the Earth is flat. This debate will be available for contenders for a day. @Erfisflat @Evidence

    Please don't join if your name begins with "Han-" or "Cove--", (and for the latter, we both know you only care about denying theism) because I know you're both trolls

    Opening Arguments:

    I will now state my opening arguments.

    Argument 1. NASA admitting to faking images, debunking the "independent alternatives"

    A common "proof" for a globe that I see is "NASA images". For the Earth to be flat, obviously, NASA images have to be faked. And NASA images have been debunked in many ways. 

    Image result for NASA images make up your mind

    Notice here the major discrepancy? We notice the continents shrinking, growing, changing color, etc.

    And copied and pasted clouds

    Image result for you live on a cgi digital painting

    We also have NASA directly admitting to faking images. Read my debate here:

    Now, if the Earth were TRUELY spherical, why would NASA need to fake these images?

    I have noticed that whenever globe-Earthers are called out for NASA images, they always turn to the "Independent alternatives" red herring, usually pointing out stuff like the 2012 red bull freefall or, far, FAR more commonly, "curvature" from airplanes As for red bull, I've already debunked that before. 

    Image result for Curved glass artificially curves straight lines The explanation for airplane curvature is that curved glass can artifically curve straight lines, similar to a fish eye lense 
    Related image

    Argument 2. The Chicago Skyline

    (Credit to @Erfisflat

    One of the most compelling arguments that convinced me into a flat Earth was @Erfisflat 's Chicago skyline argument.

    According to the globe model, this should be impossible and Chicago should instead disappear over the horizon but this is not the case. The common explanation is that this is just a mirage, but if you have actually seen a mirage you will know this is not true.

    Image result for inferior mirage vs superior mirage

    3. No evidence of curvature.

    We are widely told we can see curvature at 35,000 feet. However..

    Lets first look at this video, which shows flatness from 34,000 to 38,000 feet:

    (It is claimed we can see curvature at around this height, specifically at 35,000 feet, but yet we see none).

    No curvature at 121,000 feet:

    No Curvature at 317,000 feet:

    As already mentioned it is claimed we can see curvature around 35,000 feet, but we see none at 38,000, 121,000, or 317,000 feet.

    4. Flight patterns

    There are many flight patterns that make no sense on a sphere, but they do on a flat earth. First off lets look at antarctica. As we know, these routes do not exist: 

    We are told that we do not go on these routes because it is too cold, and that the planes instruments would freeze, but we are also told that we have gone to places much more frigid than anything expirenced on Earth. So, why shouldn't planes be able to take shorter routes over Antarctica? The "explanation" about planes instruments freezing is more of an excuse than an explanation.

    Then look at this. On a ball earth, during a flight to Johannesburg to Perth, it should be a straight shot over the ocean and we should be able to land for refueling in Mauritus or Madagascar. But instead, most flights will stop in Dubai, Hong Kong, or Malaysia. It should also be a straight shot over the atlantic to go to Johannesburg to Sao Paulo, but many flights instead make a re-feuling in London, which would be impossible on a spherical Earth. 

    5. Proving the Geocentric sun.

    While I understand this does step away from the flat Earth a bit, I am including this here to stop the flood of "tim zoncs"

    If you have any responses to this, please post it here. If you give up on the globe, post that here.

    6. Extras

    (the latter gives other proofs of a flat earth)
  • De Blasio: It’s ‘Distressing’ ICE Is Arresting ‘Law-Abiding’ Illegal Immigrants

    I agree with the assessment that a person who is in the country illegal has broken the law.  The question is who is responsible for enforcing immigration laws and if we as a society choose to task police with this responsibility what are the impact to law enforcement of that decision.  How are we going to pay to keep illegals in local jails until they are transferred to ICE?   Are communities of immigrants going to distance themselves even more from police? What are we doing with the children of immigrants that are deported?  How are we funding that operation?
    I can understand the argument of illegal workers and their effect on the economy.  My concern is tasking police with immigration duties and massive deportations are all good head liners, but I have not seen a comprehensive treatment of this problem that accounts for the impact on affected communities and how we are dealing with american children once their parents are deported.
    I think there should be a path to becoming a legal citizens for those who can take advantage of it.  It should include paying higher taxes for a period of time to fund the hidden costs of dealing with illegal immigration.
  • NASA admitting to faking images

    @Fascism I did provide a link showing NASA admitting they fake images, but you don't need their word to see it.

    The continents grow, the continents shrink, the continents change color

    Copied and pasted clouds

    My question is why they would need to fake images of the Earth so blatantly if the Earth was truely a ball floating in outerspace, going around the sun faster than sound (Which should prevent us from hearing anything at all, but it doesnt cuz gravituh), specifically around a sun going around the galaxy at 66,000 MPH, specifically a galaxy moving around some magical singularity faster than light (which I thought was scientifically impossible)
  • Term Artificial Intelligence is derogatory and inappropriate


    Are you using the same definition of "artificial" as the rest of us?

    Artificial means "made or produced by human beings rather than occurring naturally". You don't stumble around in the woods and come across a naturally occurring artificial intelligence, by the basic definition of what words mean an AI is an artificial intelligence rather than a natural one. Even if tomorrow someone invented an AI that was twice as brilliant as humans in every way, it would still be artificial. however please note that "artificial" =/= "bad".
  • Do you like DACA?

    The Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) was an American immigration policy that allowed some individuals who entered the country as minors and had either entered or remained in the country illegally, to receive a renewable two-year period of deferred action from deportation and to be eligible for a work permit.   

    According to "there is no evidence that DACA holders are more likely to commit crimes than U.S. citizens." Factcheck.Org noted that "numerous studies have found that immigrants do not commit crimes at a higher rate than non-immigrants.".
    Fact-checkers note that, on a large scale or in the long run, there is no reason to believe that DACA recipients have a major deleterious effect on American workers' employment chances; to the contrary, some economists say that DACA benefits the overall U.S. economy.  Source: [10][12][11][44][45]
    Dreamers aren't either less likely to go to school; to the contrary,  DACA led to increased educational attainment. Source: [53]

    FiveThirtyEight, summarizing the findings of past research, wrote that "the threat of deportation alone would likely have a negative impact on families. Immigration-related stress and anxiety have been shown to have negative health effects... Generally, researchers believe the stress that stems from the fear of having a parent deported has far-reaching, negative effects on the health of children."[54] In an editorial for the New England Journal of Medicine, Atheendar S. Venkataramani, professor of medicine at the University of Pennsylvania, and Alexander C. Tsai, professor of psychiatry at Harvard Medical School, write "The evidence clearly indicates that rescinding DACA will have profound adverse population-level effects on mental health... DACA was never intended to be a public health program, but its population-level consequences for mental health have been significant and rival those of any large-scale health or social policies in recent history. Rescinding DACA, therefore, represents a threat to public mental health." Source:[55]

    21 percent of DACA-protected immigrants work in education and health services.The American Medical Association has estimated that under DACA or similar legislation, 5,400 additional physicians would work in the United States in coming decades, alleviating a projected shortage of primary care physicians. Source: [45]

    Conclusively Dreamers pay taxes, contribute to the country, work, and they improve the economic and overall situation to the country.
    DACA gives hope to minors that if deported may end working in poor working conditions or in organized crime so the program should continue.

    Global Source: Here
    Thanks for reading.

  • Earth is a ball

    "I’m asking if that’s it, or if when I probe further, something new and completely fundamental will come out!"

    This is the purpose of any productive conversation. If you're still talking about images, I don't know what to tell you. You've given "pictures from space" as evidence, then, when pointed out how pictures have been and are easily manipulated in many ways to impact the resolution, whether it be with Photoshop software, which is readily available to anyone, the science behind bent glass in lenses, have silently conceded the point, but cannot move forward from it. If you have evidence, put it forth so that it can be investigated. Truth fears no investigation.

    My point is, that you can't believe everything you see on your screen without some sort of evidence to back up the image. I see evidence to the contrary.
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