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What do you think of Conspiracy theories?

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agsragsr 540 PtsPremium MemberTechnology Community Moderator
People have mixed feelings about conspiracy theories.  We have seen quite a few on this site, from Earth is Flat to dinosaurs being fake. How do you feel about it?
CuriousGeorgeale5Erfisflatpassedbilljoecavalry
  1. What do you think of Conspiracy theories?

    16 votes
    1. They are entertaining
      25.00%
    2. They are intriguing
        6.25%
    3. They are annoying
      31.25%
    4. Many of them are real
      31.25%
    5. I don't care one way or the other
        6.25%
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  • I enjoy the conspiracy theories, especially I think that @Erfisflati is doing a great job! I don't personally believe in these theories, but find many of them entertaining and I like how he challenges conventional views (with attempts of presenting evidence).   
    Erfisflatkmelkevolution17
  • ErfisflatErfisflat 462 PtsPremium Member
    edited July 2 Premium Member
    The fact that alternative views have been labeled conspiracy theory, and over time, the media has given this term a derogatory meaning is conspiracy fact. The idea that two or more people can meet in secret to devise a nefarious plot shouldn't be dismissed, especially without examining the evidence.
    passedbill
    "Don't just teach your children to read, teach them to question what they read. Teach them to question everything." George Carlin 

    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

  • ErfisflatErfisflat 462 PtsPremium Member
    Premium Member
    I'm working on a few now, which would you guys like to learn about next?

    1. JFK 
    2. Christopher Columbus
    3. Sandy Hook
    4. Chemtrails and weather manipulation 
    5. Other?
    passedbill
    "Don't just teach your children to read, teach them to question what they read. Teach them to question everything." George Carlin 

    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

  • Conspiracy theories have been promoted and demoted by the news media.

    Promoted, because they be having guests come on who seem to have their own conspiracy theories and share it throughout the network.

    Demoted, because consiracies seem to be counted as fraud.
  • @Erfisflat So you create conspiracy theories? Are they based on your beliefs, or do you write them for fun?
  • ErfisflatErfisflat 462 PtsPremium Member
    Premium Member
    @Erfisflat So you create conspiracy theories? Are they based on your beliefs, or do you write them for fun?
    I don't create, I research. No claim should be dismissed without first examining the evidence.
    DawnBringerRiven
    "Don't just teach your children to read, teach them to question what they read. Teach them to question everything." George Carlin 

    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

  • agsragsr 540 PtsPremium MemberTechnology Community Moderator
    Premium MemberTechnology Community Moderator
    Erfisflat said:
    I'm working on a few now, which would you guys like to learn about next?

    1. JFK 
    2. Christopher Columbus
    3. Sandy Hook
    4. Chemtrails and weather manipulation 
    5. Other?
    I will go for Columbus and JFK.
    Live Long and Prosper
  • ErfisflatErfisflat 462 PtsPremium Member
    Premium Member
    @agsr

    JFK is easy. The kill shot shooter is in the video. Reeeaaal close range.
    "Don't just teach your children to read, teach them to question what they read. Teach them to question everything." George Carlin 

    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

  • ErfisflatErfisflat 462 PtsPremium Member
    Premium Member
    "Don't just teach your children to read, teach them to question what they read. Teach them to question everything." George Carlin 

    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

  • @Erfisflat  No I agree, as long as you show me evidence for any claim I'll believe it.
    Erfisflat
  • ErfisflatErfisflat 462 PtsPremium Member
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    @Erfisflat  No I agree, as long as you show me evidence for any claim I'll believe it.
    Even the shape of the earth?
    "Don't just teach your children to read, teach them to question what they read. Teach them to question everything." George Carlin 

    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

  • ErfisflatErfisflat 462 PtsPremium Member
    edited August 28 Premium Member

    Boston bombings  

    • 9/11 No planes, secret energy and other theories 
    • Reptilian and the anunaki
    • Sandy hook
    • Vaccinations and big pharmacy
    • The Fed and the international banking system
    • Fema camps, gun control, and the coming war against the people
    • Satanism, jesuits, freemasonry, and the illuminati 
    • Mind control 
    • The bible: exposing TPTB
    • Public schooling and indoctrination 
    • Msm, fake news and psychological warfare
    • Bill hicks/Alex Jones and other dopplegangers 
    • Young earth
    • Nuclear weapons the 20th century cartoon swindle
    • World politics and the WWE
    • Anarchy 
    • Voting
    • Time does not exist
    • Natural cures for cancer and other illnesses 
    • Divide and conquer
    • Astrology
    • Electric universe
    • Shadow people
    • Obe's
    • Ufos
    • Ancient history, giants, and artifacts
    • Current events and opinions
    • Transhumanism (human+)- the attack on God
    EvidenceCYDdharta
    "Don't just teach your children to read, teach them to question what they read. Teach them to question everything." George Carlin 

    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

  • Conspiracy theories are conspiracy theories.
    I believe that Erfisflat and his allies are conspiring, to deceive all good sensible folk on debateisland.com.
    kmelkevolution17
  • ErfisflatErfisflat 462 PtsPremium Member
    Premium Member
    • Conspiracy theories are conspiracy theories.
      I believe that Erfisflat and his allies are conspiring, to deceive all good sensible folk on debateisland.com.

      You also believe the earth is a spinning ball for no good reason too, so, who cares what you believe. 
    "Don't just teach your children to read, teach them to question what they read. Teach them to question everything." George Carlin 

    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

  • Erfisflat said:
    • Conspiracy theories are conspiracy theories.
      I believe that Erfisflat and his allies are conspiring, to deceive all good sensible folk on debateisland.com.

      You also believe the earth is a spinning ball for no good reason too, so, who cares what you believe. 

    Hello Erfisflat.

    Debating would be much less fun without you.
    Wouldn't it be boring if everyone agreed on everything?
    kmelkevolution17
  • SilverishGoldNovaSilverishGoldNova 508 PtsPremium Member
    Premium Member
    Conspiracy theories are conspiracy theories.
    I believe that Erfisflat and his allies are conspiring, to deceive all good sensible folk on debateisland.com.
    You also believe in the ball because you pretend you never got answers to basic questions.
    "Yes I seriously said that. Yes I think mountains are curvature"
    "Refusal to provide evidence of my claim or address an opposition's argument against my claim means I'm a liar? You sure you want to take that position? ROFL"
    "I couldn't address your arguments so I insulted you"
    "Rahu doesn't exist because Erfisflat said black holes don't exist"
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  • Conspiracy theories are conspiracy theories.
    I believe that Erfisflat and his allies are conspiring, to deceive all good sensible folk on debateisland.com.
    You also believe in the ball because you pretend you never got answers to basic questions.

    Answer the basic questions and I will stop believing.
    joecavalrykmelkevolution17
  • ErfisflatErfisflat 462 PtsPremium Member
    Premium Member
    Erfisflat said:
    • Conspiracy theories are conspiracy theories.
      I believe that Erfisflat and his allies are conspiring, to deceive all good sensible folk on debateisland.com.

      You also believe the earth is a spinning ball for no good reason too, so, who cares what you believe. 

    Hello Erfisflat.

    Debating would be much less fun without you.
    Wouldn't it be boring if everyone agreed on everything?
    Agreed, but it's not as fun when people are dismissive and ignore arguments. 
    "Don't just teach your children to read, teach them to question what they read. Teach them to question everything." George Carlin 

    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

  • SilverishGoldNovaSilverishGoldNova 508 PtsPremium Member
    Premium Member
    Conspiracy theories are conspiracy theories.
    I believe that Erfisflat and his allies are conspiring, to deceive all good sensible folk on debateisland.com.
    You also believe in the ball because you pretend you never got answers to basic questions.

    Answer the basic questions and I will stop believing.
    Which I have done. 
    "Yes I seriously said that. Yes I think mountains are curvature"
    "Refusal to provide evidence of my claim or address an opposition's argument against my claim means I'm a liar? You sure you want to take that position? ROFL"
    "I couldn't address your arguments so I insulted you"
    "Rahu doesn't exist because Erfisflat said black holes don't exist"
    spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam
  • SilverishGoldNovaSilverishGoldNova 508 PtsPremium Member
    Premium Member
    Conspiracy theories are conspiracy theories.
    I believe that Erfisflat and his allies are conspiring, to deceive all good sensible folk on debateisland.com.
    You also believe in the ball because you pretend you never got answers to basic questions.

    Answer the basic questions and I will stop believing.
    Which I have done even tho you are ignoring the responses. 
    joecavalrykmelkevolution17
    "Yes I seriously said that. Yes I think mountains are curvature"
    "Refusal to provide evidence of my claim or address an opposition's argument against my claim means I'm a liar? You sure you want to take that position? ROFL"
    "I couldn't address your arguments so I insulted you"
    "Rahu doesn't exist because Erfisflat said black holes don't exist"
    spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam
  • I don't believe that conspiracy theories, or most of them are true. 

    They are created with little evidence to back the claims.

    kmelkevolution17
    DebateIslander and a DebateIsland.com lover. 
  • ErfisflatErfisflat 462 PtsPremium Member
    Premium Member
    I don't believe that conspiracy theories, or most of them are true. 

    They are created with little evidence to back the claims.

    The flat earth has hundreds of proofs.
    CYDdharta
    "Don't just teach your children to read, teach them to question what they read. Teach them to question everything." George Carlin 

    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

  • I think that many of the theories could be real, I mean they straight up admitted to MK Ultra.

    I think part of the problem of conspiracy theories debunkers or the act of debunking conspiracy theories is - 1. The association of crazy people to conspiracies. 2 - The ridicule. 3 - The complete disregard that any conspiracy theory could be true. These tactics of "debunking" are just ad-hominems and in my opinion 1 - We shouldn't insult people who are taking the time out of their day to think about the issues. 2 - Let's say that I create something truly unreasonable if someone were to insult me without hearing me out, I would develop an obligation to sticking to my argument. So insulting "conspiracy" theorists will just damage the situation.
    ErfisflatEvidence
  • I believe that conspiracy theories are not true. @fredsnephew , conspiracy theories are not backed with true evidence or a large if any amount of it.
    ErfisflatCYDdharta
  • ErfisflatErfisflat 462 PtsPremium Member
    edited September 7 Premium Member
    I believe that conspiracy theories are not true. @fredsnephew , conspiracy theories are not backed with true evidence or a large if any amount of it.
    Couldn't disagree more, have you seen the preponderance of evidence for 9/11 and the flat earth? What about the Boston bombings or Sandy Hook?


    CYDdharta
    "Don't just teach your children to read, teach them to question what they read. Teach them to question everything." George Carlin 

    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

  • ErfisflatErfisflat 462 PtsPremium Member
    edited September 7 Premium Member
    "I think that many of the theories could be real, I mean they straight up admitted to MK Ultra."

    Exactly. Some vets can tell you about MK ULTRA, @evidence was a victim of MKULtra, aside from the confession, there is ample evidence of this.

    "1. The association of crazy people to conspiracies. 2 - The ridicule. 3 - The complete disregard that any conspiracy theory could be true. These tactics of "debunking" are just ad-hominems and in my opinion"

    Dismissing evidence before it is examined without bias is prevalent with conspiracies, and usually it takes only a few minutes of well sourced research to make an informed decision.

     Critics of the establishment are often squelched just by labeling them conspiracy theorists. This is all done through the public indoctrination system. The thought that two or more people have met in secret to conspire shouldn't be thought of as absurd. 

    @SnakesOfferingApples
    Evidence
    "Don't just teach your children to read, teach them to question what they read. Teach them to question everything." George Carlin 

    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

  • edited September 8
    @kmelkevolution17

    The trick is to have the right amount of skepticism and openness. At first, I thought " Mind control? Why would the government want to try such a sci-fi concept?" And then I found a CIA report, a confession, and more evidence pointing to "Holy sh##, they actually tried this." 

    Sometimes life is stranger than fiction. (But let's assume for the sake of argument that conspiracy theorists are nut jobs, (which couldn't be farther from the truth)) I remember this old saying that people in my small town used to say  - Every so often crazy men speak a lot of truth. With the moral being that we should always be vigilant and observant.
    Evidence
  • The first "Conspiracy Theory" that I could find was this:

    Isaiah 14:12 “How you are fallen from heaven,
    O Lucifer, son of the morning!
    How you are cut down to the ground,
    You who weakened the nations!
    13 For you have said in your heart:
    ‘I will ascend into heaven,
    I will exalt my throne above the stars of God;
    I will also sit on the mount of the congregation
    On the farthest sides of the north;
    14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds,
    I will be like the Most High.’

    With this, I would like to add another to the plethora of growing list of conspiracies, .. which occurred to me after watching the movie on the WWII Historical event named Dunkirk!

    Conspiracy:
    The young men of all the Allied Nations who were fighting in Europe at that time were, by TPTB (the powers that be), .. ordered to meet on the open beaches of Dunkirk, in the false flag claim to be picked up, or "rescued", but instead were sent there to be slaughter with minimum to no German casualties, and to demoralize the troops, to break their spirit, .. make them feel like cowards.

    Considering that:
    1. This was a war against terrible evil, it cost a tremendous amount of money to train, then arm, and send 400,000 men to fight in this war.
    2. Every last man was trained in the dangers of combat, cowardice, like running away from a fight was not something to be tolerated!
    3. What were TPTB thinking, that a lot of young men would be killed if they stayed? LOL, .. what a joke, since they were slaughtered as they were yellow streaking it out of there!
    4. Look at the "bravery" portrayed in the movie about families with small boats "risking their lives" to go and pick up a few men who were sent there as soldiers to defend their countries, .. men who were trained to ask no questions but obey orders, and fight to the death!
    .. I can say more, but will leave it at that.
    Erfisflat
  • JoePineapplesJoePineapples 33 Pts
    edited September 20
    I think the majority of conspiracy theories are ridiculous and can have a negative effect in that, by utilising the most far-fetched of factors and scenarios, we might not notice when much more likely and realistic actual conspiracies are taking place, right under our noses.

    As for people that follow conspiracy theories, often referred to as 'conspiracy theorists' it would be more applicable top call them 'conspiracy fans' as the overwhelming majority just latch on to and perpetuate existing theories, rather than come up with any of their own.
    It's also worth noting that there is a pattern, nearly all conspiracy fans latch on to any and all conspiracy theories that come along, it's like a hunger for them rather than a conviction they have about any one theory. In some cases there are even unrelated conspiracy theories that contradict one another when compared (such as people saying we've never been to the moon, then claim that there's a colony living inside the moon conspiring alongside reptilian overlords).
    ErfisflatCYDdhartaDawnBringerRiven
  • I think the majority of conspiracy theories are ridiculous and can have a negative effect in that, by utilising the most far-fetched of factors and scenarios, we might not notice when much more likely and realistic actual conspiracies are taking place, right under our noses.

    As for people that follow conspiracy theories, often referred to as 'conspiracy theorists' it would be more applicable top call them 'conspiracy fans' as the overwhelming majority just latch on to and perpetuate existing theories, rather than come up with any of their own.
    It's also worth noting that there is a pattern, nearly all conspiracy fans latch on to any and all conspiracy theories that come along, it's like a hunger for them rather than a conviction they have about any one theory. In some cases there are even unrelated conspiracy theories that contradict one another when compared (such as people saying we've never been to the moon, then claim that there's a colony living inside the moon conspiring alongside reptilian overlords).
    ErfisflatCYDdharta
  • I think the majority of conspiracy theories are ridiculous and can have a negative effect in that, by utilising the most far-fetched of factors and scenarios, we might not notice when much more likely and realistic actual conspiracies are taking place, right under our noses.

    As for people that follow conspiracy theories, often referred to as 'conspiracy theorists' it would be more applicable top call them 'conspiracy fans' as the overwhelming majority just latch on to and perpetuate existing theories, rather than come up with any of their own.
    It's also worth noting that there is a pattern, nearly all conspiracy fans latch on to any and all conspiracy theories that come along, it's like a hunger for them rather than a conviction they have about any one theory. In some cases there are even unrelated conspiracy theories that contradict one another when compared (such as people saying we've never been to the moon, then claim that there's a colony living inside the moon conspiring alongside reptilian overlords).

     'Conspiracy fans', .. yes, there are them too, along with all the conspiracy debunkers hired by the 'conspirators' themselves, especially on the subject of the Flat Earth reality, because it 'reveals' hundreds of other conspiracies along with it.
    But are we to throw the baby out with the bath water?
    Oh no, we fight on, because we Truly Believe that over time, the truth wins out, and will eventually set us Free!

    What were up against:

    Money number one.
    The money that the conspirators have access to, I mean how could we simple working people go against well trained/schooled conspirators that have billions and billions of dollars a month at their disposal to keep the conspiracies from being revealed? Camouflage costs a lot, especially the good ones where we need them 'special glasses' to even notice the conspiracy.
    Next is Media: TV, Movies, the Internet, every store, every item is fabricated to defend, or hide the conspiracy. I mean it would be difficult for a Minister to stand at the podium and preach against the Mark of the Beast" while sipping on a Monster(r) drink.
    It's exactly like the movie "They Live" portrays, all in plain-sight. Without someone waking you up, we just keep on trotting as if nothing dangerous was going on. As if all was well.

    Who do you think is feeding these "conspiracy fans" starting with Tabloids like the National Enquirer, half truths mixed in with outragious stories about their own "Stars" who are gifted (and outrageously rewarded) in the art of deception!? The Reward these magicians get alone will shut up anyone trying to reveal the truth behind what they are really about!

    I believe the greatest conspiracy was classifying any revelation of true conspiracies with "conspiracy theories", and the person(s) doing it as; conspiratards, .. "tinfoil-hat wearing conspiratards" at that, who are to be mocked as soon as they mention any real ongoing conspiracy.

    Just how bad is it?


    Well, it is so bad, that even if a person like Eric Dubay who understands and can reveal every aspect of a conspiracy, he is still missing out on the "real reason" for the conspiracy. For instance, .. when Eric Dubay was asked on a internet/radio interview about; "What difference does it make to the ordinary working folk whether the Earth was a Globe, or Flat?"
    He answered: "Because knowing the Earth is flat debunks the BB theory, and reveals a Creator/God!"

    Do you know what Mr. Dubay's version of Creator/God is? The same one that the "Illuminated Ones" at NASA and CERN gives homage to, .. which is none other than Lucifer himself.


    So close, yet soooo far Mr. Dubay!


    ErfisflatCYDdharta
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