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Should debate.org members switch to debateisland?

edited July 11 in General
The opinions and polls sections of DDO are broken, nobody can use them, so yeah. People can only use forums and debates currently. DDO is basically a giant bug.

In the debates section, I've seen some pretty disgusting/terrible ("Black rape victims who complain should be forced to work in the sex industry"), and stupid ("morality= survival truth" and basically everything by vi_Spex, "is it gay for a guy to wear girl clothes"). The debates section is extremely low quality.

I also rarely see any debates getting voted on. Infact the majority of debates get abandoned before the voting period. The ones that get into the voting period? They usually don't get votes and when they do it's usually by the debators friends who they had waiting to vote for them, or they just get removed instantly because "I don't like how you did this little little little little little thing blah blah blah" and alot of the times, people won't even try to win debates by arguing and doing research but instead by getting their friends to vote for them as already said, or reporting opposing votes. Chances are, if they're reported, whiteflame will look for a reason to remove it if he disagrees with it. Not if they're obviously biased votes or whatever, but if he disagrees with them, RIP Vote.

I used to be friends with someone who organized vote bombings all the time. Also, the most viewed debate on the entire site is a troll debate about a tv show character. 

Most of the activity on the site comes from the forums section. Forums that aren't just spam and games such as Philosophy lack activity. In more active forums that aren't just spam and games, it's usually the same exact people in them.

And you know about what I said about whiteflame? In general, the moderation is corrupt. Head moderator airmax will ban people for very small things while allowing active trolls to roam freely.

Debate.org is dying, and now many top members are abandoning their accounts. It went from actual discussion to a bunch of trolls and spammers. 

However there is still one thing good about debate.org: The account deactivation screen. 

 
inc4tErfisflatPowerPikachu21randalislander507comey_testifyaarong
  1. Should debate.org members switch to debateisland?8 votes
    1. Yes
      75.00%
    2. No
      25.00%

Comments

  • Are you that guy from debate.org who keeps advertising DebateIsland? Until this site gets a 1v1 debate, I'll continue using debate.org. And I see you know nothing about some people voting without a good reason.

    Anyways, starting with the users. There's nothing wrong with vi_spex. I actually like his argument style, though he isn't able to clearly show his views with how he's doing it. And there are a few people who are racist. But in no way is DebateIsland a prohibition of this. User awaketowhere (backwardseden on DDO) came here and started hating, so there's nothing saying other bad users are unable to make accounts.

    On to your argument about votes. I agree that there's a lack of votes, but who's to say there won't be a lack when this site starts 1v1 debating. And you obviously aren't familiar with the fact that votes often vote because the voter just believes that person has the correct side. That's where whiteflame comes in. He looks into a reported vote and determines how their Reason For Decision judges the debate. Who had the better arguments? Why are these arguments sufficient enough to overpower the other side's? If you take the time to actually look at the votes, you can see that they suck. Which vote would you want your opponent to have: "Debater A had such good arguments!", or "Debater A showed that abortion isn't really murder, as they've proved that the actual time of a human's life comes after the fetus becomes a baby. Debater B didn't touch on this subject, just resorting to random quotes which didn't support his side." Believe it or not, a lot of votes are more like the first example. Even if a voter voted for me, if they don't actually talk about my arguments, I report it so whiteflame can examine it.

    Even though I have an account on DebateIsland, I did not 'switch' sites. I still very much like Debate.org and I'm still loyal to this day. Also, there's no point in advertising a site inside of the site you're advertising.
    SilverishGoldNovaErfisflat
  • inc4tinc4t 124 Pts
    @PowerPikachu21, the user you mention was actually given a temporary ban on this site and stopped since.  So, I think debateIsland admin did a great job to deal with that issue and maintain civil debater community.  
    I cannot speak to your preference for 1-1 debating, and cannot comment how that would work here if available.  However, the way it's implemented at DDO is not working well.  I personally prefer casual formally as it provides flexibility and you still have polls for voting.  Actually winning or losing is not what's important to me, but I am more interested in quality of debating, which is mostly lacking at DDO.
    I agree with @SilverishGoldNova
    SilverishGoldNovaErfisflat
  • edited July 10
    @PowerPikachu21 Just because I don't like debate.org and stated that on debateisland doesn't mean I'm some advertiser. By your logic you are an advertiser for debate.org, and why would I advertise debateisland on debateisland?. Also, I'm not sure how anyone could call vi_spex a good debater. All he does is spam the website with terrible debates with horrible arguments like "doing math is slaying dragons". Also, you're just asking why I'm criticizing debate.org but not debateisland features that haven't even been implemented yet.  By the way, speaking of an abortion debate, I voted on one once and I gave Con sources points, and I showed that Pro used extremely biased sources in attempt to support his claims, but whiteflame removed it because I "insufficiently explained sources", while allowing obviously biased votes in favor of Pro to stay.
  • ErfisflatErfisflat 262 PtsPremium Member
    edited July 10 Premium Member
    Are you that guy from debate.org who keeps advertising DebateIsland? Until this site gets a 1v1 debate, I'll continue using debate.org. And I see you know nothing about some people voting without a good reason.

    Anyways, starting with the users. There's nothing wrong with vi_spex. I actually like his argument style, though he isn't able to clearly show his views with how he's doing it. And there are a few people who are racist. But in no way is DebateIsland a prohibition of this. User awaketowhere (backwardseden on DDO) came here and started hating, so there's nothing saying other bad users are unable to make accounts.

    On to your argument about votes. I agree that there's a lack of votes, but who's to say there won't be a lack when this site starts 1v1 debating. And you obviously aren't familiar with the fact that votes often vote because the voter just believes that person has the correct side. That's where whiteflame comes in. He looks into a reported vote and determines how their Reason For Decision judges the debate. Who had the better arguments? Why are these arguments sufficient enough to overpower the other side's? If you take the time to actually look at the votes, you can see that they suck. Which vote would you want your opponent to have: "Debater A had such good arguments!", or "Debater A showed that abortion isn't really murder, as they've proved that the actual time of a human's life comes after the fetus becomes a baby. Debater B didn't touch on this subject, just resorting to random quotes which didn't support his side." Believe it or not, a lot of votes are more like the first example. Even if a voter voted for me, if they don't actually talk about my arguments, I report it so whiteflame can examine it.

    Even though I have an account on DebateIsland, I did not 'switch' sites. I still very much like Debate.org and I'm still loyal to this day. Also, there's no point in advertising a site inside of the site you're advertising.
    So by stating his preference and showing his appreciation for the change from broken debates where all a losing user had to do was forfeit, like you did 

    http://www.debate.org/debates/We-should-cut-all-funding-to-NASA/1/

    And they automatically bug the match, ending in what's essentially a tie, he's an advertiser? 
    SilverishGoldNovaPowerPikachu21

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  • @Erfisflat Plus who would advertise debateisland on debateisland?
    Erfisflat
  • edited July 10
    i just thought I'd insert this comment 
  • As someone who stumbled across this site via someone else advertising it on the forums I will say this. There needs to be a formal debate category. Also, many of the issues that the original post has with DDO exists with all sites ever. Yes, there will be offensive, sometimes virulent content, but that is not exclusively something that exists with DDO. While I will not list usernames, this sort of trolling and rhetoric exist on this site as well. I will admit that the forfeiting glitch is a problem, and sometime the administrators may seem draconian in their rulings, but what you claimed in regards to the moderation being corrupt and Airmax banning people for no reason needs to be backed up with clear evidence. As far as the format of this site, it seems like a giant forum thread, which is conducive to the airing of general ideas, but switching from DDO feels weird, especially when I got used to the way the other format as a debater in real life and on DDO. I will say this though, the site seems a bit faster, if anything that seems to be a plus. Of course, this is not a post that is meant to offend the creators of the site or the users, just simple observations from someone who used DDO is the past.                                                                                                                                          
  • ErfisflatErfisflat 262 PtsPremium Member
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    @blamonkey

    I feel the site is a fresh change. The lack of formal debate formats is not permanent, I'm sure, but I for one don't miss it. The voting method is broken on DDO. If you were lucky enough to get anyone to vote on your debate, chances are they would be removed due to infraction of the sites voting restrictions. On the opposite side of the spectrum, getting a non-biased vote on a refuted truism debate was near impossible, most of the refuted points were ignored.
    SilverishGoldNovarandalislander507SnakesOfferingApples

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  • randalrandal 57 Pts
    I don't believe that the site needs formal debates. I love the new Persuade Me debate and Casual debate functionality. Also, love the founder and it's actively developed.
    islander507
  • @blamonkey I don't think debate island needs formal debates
  • DDO is broken I should have won 5 debates, and I didn't because my opponents decided to leave when they saw that they were losing, and as you know there is a glitch that is breaking the forfeit system. Once this site gets 1v1 debates, I'll deactivate my DDO account permanently.

    On a side note the moderator of Debate Island really cares about his site, I messaged him about being excited about using the site and he responded, and asked me if I had any glitches to report, and asked me to message him if I needed anything.

    On the contrary, the DDO moderators, are so about that hands-off approach, that when I first joined I was told that they abandoned the site.
  • @SnakesOfferingApples I've already deactivated, some people report they even got their account permenantely deleted. 
  • edited 9:47PM
    @SnakesOfferingApples Also yeah, as I already said very few debates even get into the voting period because people who saw they were losing just forfeited. Infact, this goes for about 70% of debates. When they do get into the voting period the votes either get removed instantly or are by the debaters friends. 
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