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Why does it go dark at night?

Opening Argument

I believe it is because the Earth is a revolving sphere.
And the Sun is a light emitting star, approximately 150.000km distant from the Earth.
As the Earth revolves, the area facing away from the Sun goes dark.
natbarons1Hacker0ErfisflatSilverishGoldNova
  1. Is this an accurate statement.

    4 votes
    1. Yes
      75.00%
    2. No
      25.00%

Status: Open Debate

Arguments

  • Yes, this is due to the spherical shape of the Earth.
    ErfisflatSilverishGoldNova
  • ErfisflatErfisflat 465 PtsPremium Member
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    The same reason one end of my street is dark, and the other is lit up with street lights. The sun is never below my feet, it is just far away.
    "Don't just teach your children to read, teach them to question what they read. Teach them to question everything." George Carlin 

    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

  • ErfisflatErfisflat 465 PtsPremium Member
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    natbarons said:
    Yes, this is due to the spherical shape of the Earth.

    "Don't just teach your children to read, teach them to question what they read. Teach them to question everything." George Carlin 

    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

  • @Erfisflat Then how come when I'm on the dark end of the street, I can still see the street lights? I can see the street light no matter where I am on the street. This would mean I can see the Sun during night, even though it is dark. 
  • Erfisflat said:
    The same reason one end of my street is dark, and the other is lit up with street lights. The sun is never below my feet, it is just far away.

    No street lights where I live.
    At night I can stand and look in awe at the vast expanses of outer space.
  • ErfisflatErfisflat 465 PtsPremium Member
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    1Hacker0 said:
    @Erfisflat Then how come when I'm on the dark end of the street, I can still see the street lights? I can see the street light no matter where I am on the street. This would mean I can see the Sun during night, even though it is dark. 
    The scaling is way off here, for one, you're ignoring atmospheric conditions.
    "Don't just teach your children to read, teach them to question what they read. Teach them to question everything." George Carlin 

    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

  • ErfisflatErfisflat 465 PtsPremium Member
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    And the obvious fact that the earth isn't a concrete road.
    "Don't just teach your children to read, teach them to question what they read. Teach them to question everything." George Carlin 

    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

  • 1Hacker0 said:
    @Erfisflat Then how come when I'm on the dark end of the street, I can still see the street lights? I can see the street light no matter where I am on the street. This would mean I can see the Sun during night, even though it is dark. 

    Maybe it's just that the street lights are not working.
  • ErfisflatErfisflat 465 PtsPremium Member
    edited August 18 Premium Member
    1Hacker0 said:
    @Erfisflat Then how come when I'm on the dark end of the street, I can still see the street lights? I can see the street light no matter where I am on the street. This would mean I can see the Sun during night, even though it is dark. 

    Maybe it's just that the street lights are not working.
    Similar to a pressurised ball in an infinite vacuum? Most opposing pressure systems (like light bulbs) require a physical barrier to coexist.


    "Don't just teach your children to read, teach them to question what they read. Teach them to question everything." George Carlin 

    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

  • ErfisflatErfisflat 465 PtsPremium Member
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    "Don't just teach your children to read, teach them to question what they read. Teach them to question everything." George Carlin 

    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

  • SilverishGoldNovaSilverishGoldNova 488 PtsPremium Member
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    And I thought Coveny and WoodenWood were at entry level.
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    "Yes I seriously said that. Yes I think mountains are curvature"
    "Refusal to provide evidence of my claim or address an opposition's argument against my claim means I'm a liar? You sure you want to take that position? ROFL"
    "I couldn't address your arguments so I insulted you"
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  • ErfisflatErfisflat 465 PtsPremium Member
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    And I thought Coveny and WoodenWood were at entry level.
    Image result for spotlight sun gif

    We were all there.
    "Don't just teach your children to read, teach them to question what they read. Teach them to question everything." George Carlin 

    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

  • SilverishGoldNovaSilverishGoldNova 488 PtsPremium Member
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    Erfisflat said:
    And I thought Coveny and WoodenWood were at entry level.
    Image result for spotlight sun gif

    We were all there.
    Fair enough, but it seems Fred can't acknowledge the most basic of the flat Earth
    Erfisflat
    "Yes I seriously said that. Yes I think mountains are curvature"
    "Refusal to provide evidence of my claim or address an opposition's argument against my claim means I'm a liar? You sure you want to take that position? ROFL"
    "I couldn't address your arguments so I insulted you"
    "Rahu doesn't exist because Erfisflat said black holes don't exist"
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  • ErfisflatErfisflat 465 PtsPremium Member
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    I'm delighted to talk about it. It's only when people get dismissive, ridicule and ignore evidence that I get irritated. This is signs of bias and programming.
    SilverishGoldNova1Hacker0
    "Don't just teach your children to read, teach them to question what they read. Teach them to question everything." George Carlin 

    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

  • ErfisflatErfisflat 465 PtsPremium Member
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    An unwillingness to unlearn and relearn, and let go of the ball shows ignorance and cognitive dissonance. 
    "Don't just teach your children to read, teach them to question what they read. Teach them to question everything." George Carlin 

    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

  • Erfisflat said:


    Simple. Space isn't a Vacuum. Because it's full of matter.

    Definition from the Oxford dictionary. Vacuum. A space entirely devoid of matter.
    Erfisflat
  • Erfisflat said:
    And I thought Coveny and WoodenWood were at entry level.
    Image result for spotlight sun gif

    We were all there.
    Fair enough, but it seems Fred can't acknowledge the most basic of the flat Earth
    Right said Fred.
    But why do you think it goes dark at night?
  • ErfisflatErfisflat 465 PtsPremium Member
    edited August 19 Premium Member
    Erfisflat said:


    Simple. Space isn't a Vacuum. Because it's full of matter.

    Definition from the Oxford dictionary. Vacuum. A space entirely devoid of matter.
    Not as simple as a light source being far enough away to not cast light on something. It's still a positive pressure system adjacent, no, enveloped in a negative pressure system, perfect vacuum or not, which has never been demonstrated or reproduced on any scale.



    "Don't just teach your children to read, teach them to question what they read. Teach them to question everything." George Carlin 

    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

  • ErfisflatErfisflat 465 PtsPremium Member
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    Erfisflat said:
    The same reason one end of my street is dark, and the other is lit up with street lights. The sun is never below my feet, it is just far away.

    No street lights where I live.
    At night I can stand and look in awe at the vast expanses of outer space.
    You only think it's vast, or space, mainly because your science book told you so. It's really a dome with lights in it.
    "Don't just teach your children to read, teach them to question what they read. Teach them to question everything." George Carlin 

    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

  • ErfisflatErfisflat 465 PtsPremium Member
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    Erfisflat said:
    The same reason one end of my street is dark, and the other is lit up with street lights. The sun is never below my feet, it is just far away.

    No street lights where I live.
    At night I can stand and look in awe at the vast expanses of outer space.
    http://lmgtfy.com/?t=i&q=Proof+of+firmament
    "Don't just teach your children to read, teach them to question what they read. Teach them to question everything." George Carlin 

    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

  • ErfisflatErfisflat 465 PtsPremium Member
    Premium Member
    "Don't just teach your children to read, teach them to question what they read. Teach them to question everything." George Carlin 

    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

  • SilverishGoldNovaSilverishGoldNova 488 PtsPremium Member
    edited August 20 Premium Member
    Erfisflat said:
    And I thought Coveny and WoodenWood were at entry level.
    Image result for spotlight sun gif

    We were all there.
    Fair enough, but it seems Fred can't acknowledge the most basic of the flat Earth
    Right said Fred.
    But why do you think it goes dark at night?
    On the flat Earth? Look at the GIF for a few minutes. Then think. 
    "Yes I seriously said that. Yes I think mountains are curvature"
    "Refusal to provide evidence of my claim or address an opposition's argument against my claim means I'm a liar? You sure you want to take that position? ROFL"
    "I couldn't address your arguments so I insulted you"
    "Rahu doesn't exist because Erfisflat said black holes don't exist"
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  • Erfisflat said:
    And I thought Coveny and WoodenWood were at entry level.
    Image result for spotlight sun gif

    We were all there.
    Fair enough, but it seems Fred can't acknowledge the most basic of the flat Earth
    Right said Fred.
    But why do you think it goes dark at night?
    On the flat Earth? Look at the GIF for a few minutes. Then think. 

    Very pretty. But illogical.
    As your sun has nothing to hide behind there would always be residual light, no matter how far away the light source was.
    Erfisflat
  • ErfisflatErfisflat 465 PtsPremium Member
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    Erfisflat said:
    And I thought Coveny and WoodenWood were at entry level.
    Image result for spotlight sun gif

    We were all there.
    Fair enough, but it seems Fred can't acknowledge the most basic of the flat Earth
    Right said Fred.
    But why do you think it goes dark at night?
    On the flat Earth? Look at the GIF for a few minutes. Then think. 

    Very pretty. But illogical.
    As your sun has nothing to hide behind there would always be residual light, no matter how far away the light source was.
    Herpaderp, never heard of the atmosphere?
    "Don't just teach your children to read, teach them to question what they read. Teach them to question everything." George Carlin 

    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

  • ErfisflatErfisflat 465 PtsPremium Member
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    Erfisflat said:
    And I thought Coveny and WoodenWood were at entry level.
    Image result for spotlight sun gif

    We were all there.
    Fair enough, but it seems Fred can't acknowledge the most basic of the flat Earth
    Right said Fred.
    But why do you think it goes dark at night?
    On the flat Earth? Look at the GIF for a few minutes. Then think. 

    Very pretty. But illogical.
    As your sun has nothing to hide behind there would always be residual light, no matter how far away the light source was.


    "Don't just teach your children to read, teach them to question what they read. Teach them to question everything." George Carlin 

    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

  • Erfisflat said:
    Erfisflat said:
    And I thought Coveny and WoodenWood were at entry level.
    Image result for spotlight sun gif

    We were all there.
    Fair enough, but it seems Fred can't acknowledge the most basic of the flat Earth
    Right said Fred.
    But why do you think it goes dark at night?
    On the flat Earth? Look at the GIF for a few minutes. Then think. 

    Very pretty. But illogical.
    As your sun has nothing to hide behind there would always be residual light, no matter how far away the light source was.
    Herpaderp, never heard of the atmosphere?

    Sarcasm and insult. Make for a very weak argument.
    When debating try and offer a rational and logical response.
    All your flat Earth arguments are falling short in logic and rationale.
    PowerPikachu21
  • ErfisflatErfisflat 465 PtsPremium Member
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    @Fredsnephew
    I was addressing the argument:

    "As your sun has nothing to hide behind"

    It's common knowledge that there is atmosphere that blocks light. 
    "Don't just teach your children to read, teach them to question what they read. Teach them to question everything." George Carlin 

    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

  • Erfisflat said:
    @Fredsnephew
    I was addressing the argument:

    "As your sun has nothing to hide behind"

    It's common knowledge that there is atmosphere that blocks light. 

    Certainly atmospheric conditions can have an impact on light intensity, at any time of the day.
    But this falls short of explaining why it goes dark at night.
    Variable atmospheric conditions also fail to explain seasonal changes in day length, especially in polar regions.

    Perhaps you could elaborate on this theory, so that I can get a clearer understanding of what you are trying to say.
  • ErfisflatErfisflat 465 PtsPremium Member
    edited August 26 Premium Member
    @Fredsnephew

    "Certainly atmospheric conditions can have an impact on light intensity, at any time of the day.
    But this falls short of explaining why it goes dark at night."

    I fail to understand why you are making this statement. If you took a 75 watt light bulb to a football field you wouldnt be able to light up the whole field. This is not exactly to scale of corse, but you get the idea. Add to that hundreds or thousands (depending on the altitude of the sun) of miles of atmosphere (clpuds, dust, smog, water, heat, fog, etc.), and you have a means of blocking light. This is one of the reasons we can't see clear across the Atlantic Ocean. 


    The mountains in the distance are not hidden by curvature, they are just hidden by an accumulation of particles of matter in the air. This indubitably causes it to go dark at night.

    On a similar matter, if you're talking about sunsets, that is a combination of refraction and perspective, I can explain that again if I need to, but both subjects have been covered extensively. They were likely covered in the first few pages, but if you can't find them, I'll go over them again.

    "Variable atmospheric conditions also fail to explain seasonal changes in day length, especially in polar regions "


    This is due to a different circuit of the circuit around the pole. In our summer, the sun is closer to the center, causing the arctic midnight sun, where the sun doesn't go down in the northern polar region. It's included in the Gleason' s map. 

     



    The evidence for this is the sun analemma.


    Which contradicts the globe model, but fits perfectly in FET.
    "Don't just teach your children to read, teach them to question what they read. Teach them to question everything." George Carlin 

    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

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