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Can Religion and Science Co-exist?

Opening Argument

Religion vs Science is a heavily debated topic in modern society. Science seeks to explain the word around us based on observations, logic, evidence and intense study. On the other hand, religion is generally the belief system of a higher power, which serves as an explanation for the world as well. Can science and religion both be compatible with each other? Instead of one being right, can both be right? Well done to anyone that can convince me of their arguments. Tip: I'm not looking for short answers. Please show effort.
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  1. Can religion and science be compatible?

    11 votes
    1. Yes, they both can co-exist.
      63.64%
    2. No, it just wouldn't work/make sense.
      36.36%

Status: Open Debate

Arguments

  • You can create a new religion but if science discover something, you need to edit your holy book.
  • Religion vs Science is a heavily debated topic in modern society. Science seeks to explain the word around us based on observations, logic, evidence and intense study. On the other hand, religion is generally the belief system of a higher power, which serves as an explanation for the world as well. Can science and religion both be compatible with each other? Instead of one being right, can both be right? Well done to anyone that can convince me of their arguments. Tip: I'm not looking for short answers. Please show effort.
    noun
    noun: religion
    the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods.
    a pursuit or interest to which someone ascribes supreme importance.

    faith
    fāTH/
    noun
    1. complete trust or confidence in someone or something.
        2. strong belief in God or in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual apprehension rather than proof.


    If you accept the above definition of "Religion" and "faith" (which is universally accepted, except by a few) that religion is about
    #1  complete trust or confidence in someone or something, and #2 strong belief in God or in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual apprehension rather than proof, then we have to ask what exactly is our understanding of science? In other words, "who" is interpreting our understanding of what is, and what is not considered science, .. and who or what do humans consider "super human, or God"?

    here is one god:



    Authority on science:

    http://www.pas.va/content/accademia/en/events/2016/intelligence/statement.html


    here is science "based on observations, logic, evidence and intense study"

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/pope-francis-big-bang-scientists-vatican-catholic-church-realise-discuss-evolution-physics-space-a7725706.html


    Is observing CGI generated cartoon images of artist rendered planets to come up with the solution that all humanity must travel to Mars by 2050 or whatever considered science?

    http://news.nationalgeographic.com/2016/09/elon-musk-spacex-exploring-mars-planets-space-science/

    The superhuman god on earth, the vicar of Christ says that NASA can do it. Do we consider this science knowing that our Earth is flat under a Dome?

  • yuno44907 said:
    You can create a new religion but if science discover something, you need to edit your holy book.

    Is that why both the Big Bang story and the evolution story been so often edited, then re-edited, revised, corrected and so on?
    Both NASA and CERN has created new religions, proselytized by actors, and wana-be scientists.
    SilverishGoldNova
  • Ignoring people trying to say science/religion is wrong, everyone's entitled to opinions. Science only comes up with possible theories for the explanation of the world, and theists claim God must be the answer, though it's not necessarily the case. The battle of Big Bang vs Creationism is probably the only area where both sides are trying to get the right answer, but the only way to know for certain is to time travel, which is incredibly difficult if not impossible. I don't mind most theists as long as they don't force beliefs, but we can get along. We could co-exist with our opinions.
  • Ignoring people trying to say science/religion is wrong, everyone's entitled to opinions. Science only comes up with possible theories for the explanation of the world, and theists claim God must be the answer, though it's not necessarily the case. The battle of Big Bang vs Creationism is probably the only area where both sides are trying to get the right answer, but the only way to know for certain is to time travel, which is incredibly difficult if not impossible. I don't mind most theists as long as they don't force beliefs, but we can get along. We could co-exist with our opinions.

    Science/religion IS wrong, if done by the same organization!

    As you said that: "Science only comes up with possible theories for the explanation of the world" and as you can see, it was the Catholic Jesuits who came up with the supposed "scientific explanation of the world", .. the Big Bang, and put globes into the classrooms! And now, officially backing up the Evolution falsely labeled "theory" also. And lookie here in the above video, .. who is it that is also claiming your: "God must be the answer"?
    Yep, it's none other than the first (and may be the last) Jesuit Pope.
    "They" the most powerful Religion on Earth control both the;God must be the answer AND the scientific theory part.

    So now our question should be: "Whatcha talking about; .. what science, .. which God/gods?"



    Religion created God/gods are not our Creator, and neither is Religion created science, real science.

    So it's hard to vote on this since "yes, they both can coexist" as we can clearly see that they do, .. and "it just wouldn't work/make sense", .. not from a non-religious perspective.

    Now we can see why the Catholic created Christian Religion baptizes babies, to seal us into that Religion. The rest will be taught in the Jesuit-run Public Schools.
  • Religion: the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods.
    Science: the intellectual and practical activity encompassing the systematic study of the structure and behavior of the physical and natural world through observation and experiment.

    Assuming a given religion is the 'truth,' in that it correlates to reality, it would also be scientifically verifiable to some degree. If a religion and science do not conflict, then they are perfectly capable of coexisting.
  • Blank said:
    Religion: the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods.
    Science: the intellectual and practical activity encompassing the systematic study of the structure and behavior of the physical and natural world through observation and experiment.

    Assuming a given religion is the 'truth,' in that it correlates to reality, it would also be scientifically verifiable to some degree. If a religion and science do not conflict, then they are perfectly capable of coexisting.


    A Religion that worships god/gods and other superhuman powers and principalities, deities/demons does not, and cannot correlate to reality. In other words, no organized Religion can give us the whole truth, I mean it's a Religion right? Based on "blind faith, .. faith without evidence, which is the opposite of what science means.

    As we can see from historical evidence, and from todays news that this Religions beliefs, and their version of science does not conflict, why would it? (see Vatican News EWTN, The Catholic News Network, CNA etc. )

    And since this 'Religion' been around for 1,700 years, and being the most powerful religion on Earth lead by none other than Lucifer himself (through divination) we have to be really careful about accepting any science coming from, or approved by them.
  • yuno44907yuno44907 32 Pts
    edited September 11
    Science is . They dont even talk about Earths weakening magnetic field and change in wind. And why scandanavians magical but endonesians are moron.

    Science is in hands of a few stupid rich people.
    @Evidence
  • Religion and Science can both co-exist under specific guidelines.  These guidelines are actually within the scope of both sides and the fact that Science and Religion are in a persistent contest with one another is an example of what happens when two fields of study cross over with one another when they should have remained in their perspective lanes.

    Religion is the study and worship of the supernatural.

    Science is the study of the physical and natural world.

    What the above two statements SHOULD tell you is that Science has nothing to do with Religion and Vice a Versa.  Question: If you're studying the physical and natural world using the Scientific Method...how would you ever cross over into a battle with theism or creationism?  Answer: You shouldn't.  This would be like studying Astrophysics and ending up in a debate over Economics in the process...makes no sense right?

    The scientific method requires observation, one cannot observe the creation of the World.  The Scientific method requires measurement, one cannot measure any of the variables that existed at the time of the creation of the World...if for any reason simply because Scientists cannot seem to agree when that even was.  The Scientific Method requires experimentation...and since we cannot observe or measure the variables that were present at the time of the creation of the World...we have no way of even beginning to experiment to attempt to replicate anything.  Now that being said, Scientific Theory requires testing, theories that cannot be tested for any reason (Mostly due to unobservable rammifications) CANNOT qualify as "Scientific Theory".  So now it's just a theory and has no Scientific Basis.  Which means we've successfully eliminated Science from the theory of how the World came to be.  Man I love Science!

    Now Science and Religion can Co-exist peacefully without contradicting one another.  We just need to work on this whole Evolution ridiculousness.  I mean c'mon, even the Father of Evolutionary Thought conceded solidly that the fossil record would have to include innumerable transitional fossils to even begin to prove evolution.  To date we haven't found a single fossil that the Scientific Community can agree is transitional and the ones that are in the light for argument are so incredibly weak as far as evidence goes.  You'd expect literally millions of different transitional fossils to be in the earth if we were to believe that all creatures truly evolved from another base form.  Sadly this isn't the case.

    Oh well.
  • SilverishGoldNovaSilverishGoldNova 488 PtsPremium Member
    Premium Member
    Science is the intellectual and practical activity encompassing the systematic study of the structure and behavior of the physical and natural world through observation and experiment.
    Religion is the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods.
    "Yes I seriously said that. Yes I think mountains are curvature"
    "Refusal to provide evidence of my claim or address an opposition's argument against my claim means I'm a liar? You sure you want to take that position? ROFL"
    "I couldn't address your arguments so I insulted you"
    "Rahu doesn't exist because Erfisflat said black holes don't exist"
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  • @Vaulk Religion and Science can both co-exist under specific guidelines.  These guidelines are actually within the scope of both sides and the fact that Science and Religion are in a persistent contest with one another is an example of what happens when two fields of study cross over with one another when they should have remained in their perspective lanes.

    Religion is the study and worship of the supernatural.

    I agree, that is what Religion is! But, .. do you know what, or whom the religious study and worship in the "supernatural"? Or how one communicates with beings who reside in the supernatural realm?
    The reason I'm mentioning this is that "Religion" has nothing to do with our Creator, the Infinite "I Am", and even though some Religions use the Bible to lure in their victims, they will hide God, the God of the Bible, our Infinite Creator from them.

    Vaulk said: Science is the study of the physical and natural world.

    What the above two statements SHOULD tell you is that Science has nothing to do with Religion and Vice a Versa.

    Except when Religion takes over science, as has the Constantine created Catholic Religion, .. then science becomes the property of the Church.
    The BB story came from a Catholic Jesuit Priest.

    Vaulk - Question: If you're studying the physical and natural world using the Scientific Method...how would you ever cross over into a battle with theism or creationism?  Answer: You shouldn't.  This would be like studying Astrophysics and ending up in a debate over Economics in the process...makes no sense right?

    How else would you find evidence for the One True and Only Creator God except studying the physical and natural world using the Scientific Method?
    The other method, you could just accept one of the tens of thousands of gods created by all them Religions in the world.

    There is a very big difference between organized Religion, and being religious, .. like being religious about the teachings of Christ for instance, like; visiting the widows and the orphans.

    Vaulk - The scientific method requires observation, one cannot observe the creation of the World.

    True, but it takes a scientific mind to determine if the world was created, or like a Religious Priest claims that it just popped out of nothing, .. right?
    A Religion governed mind will tend to accept any story how the world came to be, .. which is why we have all these BB-Evolution Believers. What is even more amazing is that they don't even realize that their beliefs are from organized Religion, which expects them to just "believe" without any actual scientific evidence of something popping out of nothing, .. or as you said "evidence of speciation".

    Vaulk - The Scientific method requires measurement, one cannot measure any of the variables that existed at the time of the creation of the World...if for any reason simply because Scientists cannot seem to agree when that even was.  The Scientific Method requires experimentation...and since we cannot observe or measure the variables that were present at the time of the creation of the World...we have no way of even beginning to experiment to attempt to replicate anything.  Now that being said, Scientific Theory requires testing, theories that cannot be tested for any reason (Mostly due to unobservable rammifications) CANNOT qualify as "Scientific Theory".  So now it's just a theory and has no Scientific Basis.  Which means we've successfully eliminated Science from the theory of how the World came to be.  Man I love Science!

    I think the Flat Earthers do a lot of scientific work to prove that the Earth was created and did not come from the fake Sci-Fientific claim like the Big Bang.
    I love science too, the more I understand about our world, about us humans, the more evidence I find for God our Infinite Creator.

    Vaulk - Now Science and Religion can Co-exist peacefully without contradicting one another.
    We just need to work on this whole Evolution ridiculousness.  I mean c'mon, even the Father of Evolutionary Thought conceded solidly that the fossil record would have to include innumerable transitional fossils to even begin to prove evolution.  To date we haven't found a single fossil that the Scientific Community can agree is transitional and the ones that are in the light for argument are so incredibly weak as far as evidence goes.  You'd expect literally millions of different transitional fossils to be in the earth if we were to believe that all creatures truly evolved from another base form.  Sadly this isn't the case.

    Oh well.
    Erfisflat
  • ErfisflatErfisflat 465 PtsPremium Member
    Premium Member
    By using science, that is, testable, repeatable, scalable experimentation, we can deduce that the big bang theory is pseudoscience simply by dissecting a basic axiom that must be true in order for that theory to be feasible. The shape of the earth. If the earth is the flat center of everything we know, then there is no way that we are products of a magical "creating" explosion. So with science, we can prove that creationism is more likely than it's counterpart in the dichotomy. 
    EvidenceSilverishGoldNova
    "Don't just teach your children to read, teach them to question what they read. Teach them to question everything." George Carlin 

    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

  • The OP uses the phrase, "serves as an explanation" to show the validity of a concept. This is pretty accurate. So, the question has to be put out there, "What explanations has Religion provided that serve us?"
  • VaulkVaulk 239 Pts
    edited September 19
    @Goldtop,

    Answer: That the world was created by an all-powerful being and set into motion with life and that we as Humans cannot possibly fathom a majority of what that entails.  Moreover, the way that it serves us is that the belief and worship in God is the fundamental principle to our Human Rights in the United States.  If you've ever exercised any of the freedoms outlined in our Constitution, you owe it to yourself to go see how our forefathers cemented those freedoms within the first three Human Rights: Life, Liberty and The Pursuit of Happiness.

    http://www.ushistory.org/declaration/document/

    <Spoiler Alert>

    Our forefathers officially acknowledged that they're God Given Rights and used that to justify why they cannot be taken away (Unalienable).

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