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NASA admitting to faking images

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SilverishGoldNovaSilverishGoldNova 711 PtsPremium Member
A common "proof" for the globe is see is NASA Images. I have heard and seen it everywhere, including from a red herring from a certain guy I wont name in the sun debate.

And now I will be proving that they are fake

https://www.nasa.gov/centers/goddard/about/people/RSimmon.html ;

If you read through this article you will see Robert saying NASA fakes images. "The last time anyone took a photograph from above low Earth orbit that showed an entire hemisphere (one side of a globe) was in 1972 during Apollo 17."

So, we have NASA saying they fake images. Well except the moon landings, but those have been debunked too.

The moon landings

and the blue marble

So watch and learn
joecavalrynorthsouthkoreaErfisflatLogicfea
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  • A common fallacy I notice with this argument is that even at a height of 254 miles (which is 1,341,000 feet, also the average orbital height of the International Space Station, which will be important) the ISS can only see about 3 percent of the earth's surface at one time, and only about 24 people have ever seen Earths entirety (meaning Earth itself as one ball suspended in space, all in one point of view) in person before. This brings me to the misunderstanding that your argument puts forth, most say that NASA "fakes" satellite imagery and by a slight technicality you're right. The argument all stems from ISS photos of the whole earth being mere compositions, more of an extrapolation of sorts of all the photos that the ISS takes of the surface of earth (as 3% sure is a mighty small percentage) and then being labeled as "fakes" or being created entirely by CGI.

    To put into perspective just how close the ISS orbits to earth, if the planet Earth were the size of an apple, the ISS would orbit around 2.7 mm away from it's surface.

    Another argument I hear flat earthers put forth quite often is that you can't "see the curvature" and that's for a very simple reason, a couple reasons actually, and I'll list them numerically here

    1: The average human eye can only see about 3.1 miles in any direction (given certain atmospheric conditions can weaken or extend that range, the same general principle still applies)

    2: assuming you are standing at a sea level of zero, only adding height for a reasonable human height of 6 feet tall, the horizon is 2.9 miles away and only hides 0.0067 feet of total height behind it

    3: at an actual height of 1,341,000 feet you could effectively see for 1,441 miles (about 5-5.5 times the oribital height of the ISS) uninterrupted by earth's curvature

    The other glaring problem I have with your argument is the "blue marble debunked video", if you look you can clearly see that adjusted for the angle of the photo and the frame of reference that the continents actually do match just perfectly, with Africa as the focal point it's just that alot of the other landmass is behind the curvature, especially considering how large of a chunk of Antartica is visible on the photo used as the purported evidence. The man describing the fallacies of the photos fails to realize that he himself is basing his argument on a flat map of the earth's surface, compared with a hundreds of thousands of miles away at an angle photo of the planet. Just because you cannot see the landmasses in the photograph does not mean that the landmasses were not there, they were simply hidden due to the angle of the photograph
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  • ErfisflatErfisflat 671 PtsPremium Member
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    Oh no, not another one. This one doesn't sound as dumb as the others. You want this one @SilverishGoldNova?
    SilverishGoldNova
    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

  • ErfisflatErfisflat 671 PtsPremium Member
    edited October 1 Premium Member
    @cakerman

    "the ISS can only see about 3 percent of the earth's surface at one time, "



    I've superimposed a still from the ISS feed on to of the globe cartoon ball to get an idea of how much the ISS can see of the earth. 3 percent? Maybe...

    Here is another still proving that NASA is manipulating images of earth.


    As you can see, the solar panel has a definite curve to it, that somewhat matches the earths, signifying the use of a wide angle lens, which curves straight lines.




    The ISS certainly isn't the only satellite supposedly taking images of the earth. Regardless, anyone can take scans of something flat, then project it onto a sphere.


    "The average human eye can only see about 3.1 miles in any direction (given certain atmospheric conditions can weaken or extend that range, the same general principle still applies)"

    Technically and mathematically, about 3.1 miles to the horizon should be all we can see, depending on the object's height above sea level, and if the observer is standing at sea level (6 feet up).

    https://dizzib.github.io/earth/curve-calc/?d0=3&h0=6&unit=imperial
     
    But of course we flat earthers know this isn't the case. Instances of up to 150+miles have been reported.

    As for the response to the videos, I have no opinion. They are images, which are easy to manipulate, as has been shown.


    joecavalry
    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

  • SilverishGoldNovaSilverishGoldNova 711 PtsPremium Member
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    Erfisflat said:
    Oh no, not another one. This one doesn't sound as dumb as the others. You want this one @SilverishGoldNova?
    would have wanted it if I wasnt busy all day
     
  • joecavalryjoecavalry 208 Pts
    edited October 2
    NASA May have presented edited images, but not heavy altered images or photographs.
    DebateIslander and a DebateIsland.com lover. 
  • ErfisflatErfisflat 671 PtsPremium Member
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    NASA May have presented edited images, but not heavy altered images or photographs.

    You sure?


    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

  • @wake , good argument and use of evidence. If there was no globe model for the Earth, their would be no horizon and no time zones.
    SilverishGoldNova
  • ErfisflatErfisflat 671 PtsPremium Member
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    Wake said:
    @cakerman - I might point out that standing upon the top of the Marin Headlands Lookout on Cozzelman Rd. from the Marin side of the Golden Gate Bridge you can only see one of the Farallone Islands with the others below the curvature of the Earth. And that is a mere 920 feet altitude. From the pilots deck of a B52 at 20,000+ feet of altitude you couldn't actually see the curvature of the Earth but at 550 knots you could watch cities appear over the horizon.  And the rate that they would appear demonstrated the exact diameter of the Earth. So the flat earthers are little more than a comedy routine.
    He also said it was easy to fly a 747, because he worked on planes. Comedy routine lol. Why should I believe what you say?
    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

  • ErfisflatErfisflat 671 PtsPremium Member
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    All of the Farallone Islands as seen from the top of the Marin Headlands. No curvature. Not just a say so, image to back up the claim. Just how much curvature should there be @Wake?

    http://www.jmg-galleries.com/blog/2009/04/06/farallon-islands-california/
    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

  • ErfisflatErfisflat 671 PtsPremium Member
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    Comedy routine indeed. You're a clown @Wake
    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

  • ErfisflatErfisflat 671 PtsPremium Member
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    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

  • ErfisflatErfisflat 671 PtsPremium Member
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     "Even more amazing is that there is a tanker on the horizon that is likely twice as far from the Farallones as they are from San Francisco. "


    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

  • ErfisflatErfisflat 671 PtsPremium Member
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    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

  • ErfisflatErfisflat 671 PtsPremium Member
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    Herpa derp, those balls are round, so the table must also be round!
    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

  • ErfisflatErfisflat 671 PtsPremium Member
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    " I might point out that standing upon the top of the Marin Headlands Lookout on Cozzelman Rd. from the Marin side of the Golden Gate Bridge you can only see one of the Farallone Islands with the others below the curvature of the Earth. And that is a mere 920 feet altitude. "


    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

  • ErfisflatErfisflat 671 PtsPremium Member
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    @wake I pulled the quote from the photographer's article. He is completely unbiased and likely could care less if the earth was flat. The tanker is on the horizon in the picture.
    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

  • ErfisflatErfisflat 671 PtsPremium Member
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    @wake , good argument and use of evidence. If there was no globe model for the Earth, their would be no horizon and no time zones.
    Two lies and an ad hominem attack. Good argument he says.
    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

  • ErfisflatErfisflat 671 PtsPremium Member
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    "Farallon Islands, California as seen from the Marin Headlands"

    The caption under the picture reads. I've never seen a telephoto lens that can pull entire islands backwards over the curvature of the earth! I showed mine, where's yours? All we have is a tired old mechanic's word at this point. Maybe they were there, but you need spectacles?
    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

  • ErfisflatErfisflat 671 PtsPremium Member
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    "The headlands stretch from the Golden Gate Bridge to Muir Beach. Photographers perch on the southern headlands for spectacular shots of the city, with the bridge in the foreground and the skyline on the horizon. Equally remarkable are the views north along the coast and out to sea, where the Farallon Islands are visible on clear days."

    http://www.fodors.com/world/north-america/usa/california/the-bay-area/things-to-do/sights/reviews/marin-headlands-485920#poi-review

    2 sources saying they're visible from the headlands, versus your word. 
    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

  • ErfisflatErfisflat 671 PtsPremium Member
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    "Anyone who's visiting San Francisco for the first time should not miss coming here. This is where you can find the most impressive spot to view the Golden Gate Bridge. Actually, there is so much more to see than just the bridge. On a clear day, if you're lucky, one can view almost the entire bay - from Treasure Island to Farallon Islands. It's so beautiful it took my breath away a thousand times (or more)!"

    A third.
    https://www.tripadvisor.com/ShowUserReviews-g155988-d103182-r327847498-Marin_Headlands-Marin_County_California.html
    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

  • ErfisflatErfisflat 671 PtsPremium Member
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    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

  • ErfisflatErfisflat 671 PtsPremium Member
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    Pass off more of your lies as intelligence. We're all having fun at your expense.
    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

  • ErfisflatErfisflat 671 PtsPremium Member
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    flat horizon at over 100,000 feet.


    Here's another.

    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

  • ErfisflatErfisflat 671 PtsPremium Member
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    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

  • FascismFascism 107 Pts
    NASA is useless. I just can't help but wonder where all their funds are going to. Their rate of research as of now is so slow. 
    SilverishGoldNova
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