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Las Vegas shooting Sunday October 1 2017

Opening Argument

EvidenceEvidence 216 Pts
edited October 8 in News
Crisis-actors desperately needed in Las Vegas.
Become famous! No previous experience necessary. Make your own story and get noticed on major News Networks like Fox, CBS, Playboy, PBS children's broadcasting, CMT and many more.

Requirements: there was a shooting in Las Vegas, not Los Angeles.
Bullets went toward Mandalay Bay, not McDonalds or "umm, uh that way!"
500 people were injured, not 500,000
The rest you improvise.

Bonuses;
claim a dead family member $200
claim to have been shot yourself $150
Real tears while on camera $49.95
Any other claims like: loaded dead people back of my truck, .. hiding under dead bodies for hours, .. looked shooter in the eyes and describe your feelings, .. "I see dead people" etc. $25 Walmart gift card
ErfisflatSilverishGoldNova
  1. The whole event was way too obvious

    8 votes
    1. It almost looked real
      37.50%
    2. It was real, I cried, called family and friends. Took enxiety pills
      62.50%
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Status: Open Debate

Arguments

  • ErfisflatErfisflat 671 PtsPremium Member
    edited October 4 Premium Member
    By now, anyone who keeps up with the real news knows that an event this publicized is definitely a false flag. I'm still researching as it comes into light but I'll compile a list of evidence suggesting this was a false flag.

     Motive: definitely another push for gun control. Celebrities are already speaking up about it. The end goal is an unarmed, police state country. 

    http://www.billboard.com/articles/news/7982027/las-vegas-shooting-gun-control-demand-lady-gaga-john-mayer

    Possible secondary motive: several "fake news" stories going viral on social media platforms. May be a push to control the social media to protect us from "fake news".

    http://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2017/03/20/520845007/the-earth-is-flat-check-wikipedia

    Things that don't fit the official narrative.

    1. 4th floor shooter(muzzle fire) in a few social media videos, also mentioned in police radio.





    2. Bystanders mention in two different videos that the gunshots "weren't real".



    3. Crisis/crowd actors hired weeks before the shooting, site is now removed. Archived at 
    http://archive.is/hlQdr
    Other crisis actor site remains.
    https://crowdsondemand.com/

    4. Shooter should be on security camera carrying multiple heavy cases to his room(of a casino). Probably a few thousands of rounds of ammo and fully automatic weapons. 

    Will be adding to this later.
    EvidenceLogic
    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

  • Wow @Erfisflat you're really onto this. I tell you I have so much to thank you for, and bringing these practically hilarious False Flag Operations to our attention is just one of them.

    Here is another "in our faces" News-mockumentary (or in "Their" unspoken words: "the cows will believe anything") on this False flag event:

    http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/breaking-news/a-husbands-heartbreak-wife-of-32-years-dies-in-his-arms-in-las-vegas-mass-shooting/ar-AAsRqXl?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartandhp

    Headline: "A Husband's Heartbreak: Wife of 32 Years Dies in His Arms in Las Vegas Mass Shooting"

    Now look at the picture, we'd expect her laying in a pool of blood, or on a stretcher, or in the hospital, .. but never this:

    http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/breaking-news/a-husbands-heartbreak-wife-of-32-years-dies-in-his-arms-in-las-vegas-mass-shooting/ar-AAsRqXl?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartandhp

    Notice the two big fake smiles, his T-shirt, and the key words: "Route 91" and "Mandalay Bay" top right in the picture.

    Yes, I want to hear/learn more, thanks buddy!
  • I mean this is just about unbelievable, .. I just made up the one I posted in our "News Forum", but this?

    http://archive.is/hlQdr

    .. well, I'm speechless, .. what the hell is going on? I always knew that they didn't really care how fake these False Flags were, "They" want those obvious fake stuff to be in the pictures to be noticed. Like the one where four SWAT team/Police guys are crouching behind a cop car, one is a sniper, all taking cover as if they were being shot at,  while a young male bystander is standing 10 feet behind them looking at his cellphone.

    It seems to me that these 'obvious' contrasts are done on purpose. Which brings me to the Globe Earth Conspiracies, and the Flat Earth Truths. The conspiracy is not really, or not totally a conspiracy, and now it seems like the "truther's" are not really, .. or not totally truther's!?

    ?????
    Erfisflat
  • ErfisflatErfisflat 671 PtsPremium Member
    edited October 3 Premium Member


    This must be the donut break vehicle. 
    Evidence
    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

  • ErfisflatErfisflat 671 PtsPremium Member
    edited October 11 Premium Member
    Eminem on the ground in street clothes with a shotgun aimed IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION OF THE HOTEL.
    Evidence
    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

  • ErfisflatErfisflat 671 PtsPremium Member
    Premium Member
    Evidence
    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

  • FascismFascism 107 Pts
    The Las Vegas shooting was fishy. Judging by the distance between the shooter and the crowd, the number of magazines he was using, and the type of gun he was using, the story doesn't add up. He couldn't have injured 500 people with the current information. The police have false information on one or more of these things: the number of people injured and dead; the type of gun used; the amount of magazines; the location of the shooter's attack; or if this whole thing happened in the first place. 

    This whole attack was very fishy. There is a lot of political agenda that could potentially be involved in here. 
    ErfisflatEvidence
  • ErfisflatErfisflat 671 PtsPremium Member
    Premium Member
    With the described level of massacre, there would have been blood all over the place. I've looked at the pictures and not a drop of blood was found anywhere.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/10/02/las-vegas-active-shooter-pictures/people-carry-peson-route-91-harvest-country-music-festival-apparent/
    Evidence
    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

  • ErfisflatErfisflat 671 PtsPremium Member
    Premium Member


    @Evidence

    Check out what else was present for the shooting (far right top corner)


    Evidence
    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

  • OK, so from the crisis actor jokers interviewed on the streets, to Celine Dion, to the President Trump, they are all obviously faking the "sympathies". People who were in Las Vegas at the time should see this, yet no one seems to give a hoot either way, all they care is that "The shows must go on" as if nothing happened, .. while the media goes on as if this was the worst shooting, with the most causalities in Americas False Flag History, .. has anyone of you found any good videos of people who were there revealing the truth of any of this yet?

    Or is half the US population in on this BS, .. because to me, it sure seems like it!?
    One of the girls "servers" at the Casino where my wife works here in AZ approached her for no particular reason (she hasn't commented on any of this knowing it was all fake) and told her that "I know the girl the shooter was dating, .. it is terrible, she can't believe what happened!?", which my wife just ignored! She says it was as if she was trying to convince her that this was all real!? (they all know that she's a Flat Earther)

    @Erfisflat, .. I see the Obelisk, which adds to the intentional set up. But why would so many people who were there taking part, go along with all this? I would like to know what they were told to convince them that doing something like this, .. to be a part of such deception was OK? Or just a game?
    I mean were not just talking about this one, but all the others too, .. like the Orlando gay-bar, Sandy Hooks, and the list goes on, and the deception goes even deeper! It seems to me that the same (Illuminati) that are creating these fake events, are also creating Conspiracy-theories of all this, like  Alex Jones, .. who I personally wanted to meet in Austin, but could not track him down, all while the police were following me as I searched!?!?

    Look at this:

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/sandy-hook-dad-on-performance-artist-alex-joness-trial-i-wish-i-could-be-there-to-stare-him-down

    From the article - Still, Jones’ conspiracy radio show has earned him millions of fans, including the President of the United States himself. Trump went on that very same radio show in December of 2015 to commend Jones’ work, telling the InfoWars host that “your reputation is amazing” and “I will not let you down.”

    On the very same day of Trump’s interview, InfoWars ran an article insinuating the San Bernardino shooting was also a false flag, before claiming that it was a “false flag for the Obama anti-gun agenda” five days later.

    All these False Flag events are, .. umm, .. faked, .. obviously, and the fun part for them I guess is showing us just how fake it was, AND still claiming it as real in our faces.
    9-11 was real in only that many people actually died, but we know who the terrorists really  were. There too "They" left us with a lot of clues, .. which now I strongly feel is being done on purpose. (What's almighty power over mankind if you can't show off, .. right?)

    Now we come to the likes of Alex Jones, Naomi Wolf, Jesse Ventura, and documentaries like "Loose Change" by Director Avery and producers Rowe and Matthew Brown, so on and so forth, all these people do is point out the obvious, .. but as if they were actually told what to point out!? This is what gets me, .. that they point out information that we the regular public would not notice right away, yet when we take a look, we say: "Yeah, that's true, hey, maybe our Government IS behind it all, .. yeah, it was the Illuminati?"  as if telling us just what buffoons we are!?

    I mean what idiot wouldn't see the in-your-face Illuminati symbols in every major concert, .. which includes every Olympics, especially the 2012 London one, Illuminati ad-nauseam that one was! On every article we buy, in magazines, TV shows, movies, .. you name it!? Maybe we are being tested just how brainwashed, .. or more like "braindead" we all really are?



    "Shift Change" scene really tells it like it is!

    Now compare that to this here: Time 3:56 100 years apart!



    What I'm saying Erfisflat, is that it has become obvious to me that no matter which terrible event they orchestrate, "They", .. our "chosen Rulers" (which is why it is important for them that we vote) want us to know that They did it!

    Nukes, .. after what you shown me, I do believe it is a lie, and the more I hear about N. Korea, the more obvious it becomes. Like the Cold War terror on the world, having our children take cover and hide under their desks in school, and as I was listening to my favorite Radio station "Immaculate Heart Radio" (if you want to know why the world is dumb as it is, listen to a Catholic Radio station, it will all become obvious) .. anyways, they were asking Professors and Doctors on the show as to what we could do in case "Rocket-boy" Kim Jong un set off a hydrogen bomb over the Pacific?
    From what I can understand is that the plan is to bring back the old Cold War Terror, to keep us cows holding on to our Leaders to save us! Oh how this must upset our Creator, .. watching how we willfully give these Priests of Satan our loved ones to sacrifice them as they please!?

    Wars like WWII especially Normandy, and Dunkirk were all obvious mass human sacrifices to the gods, done by the "children of darkness" themselves to Lucifer in particular. Then Vietnam and now N. Korea, .. ahh the fun they are planning to have again! I guess slowly torturing and murdering millions of men, women and children is just not enough ("You Have Cancer" agenda), .. Lucifer has a hard-on (as we see in them Obelisks) for a huge sacrifice again like WWII, .. millions of deceived and lost souls, all claimed by Lucifer through his loyal servants, to take them down the pit where he can accuse them forever and ever in hell!

    What do you guys think?
    Erfisflat
  • LogicLogic 227 Pts
    Hmm, Maybe it was a false flag. There is some evidence for it at least.
    ErfisflatEvidence
  • ErfisflatErfisflat 671 PtsPremium Member
    Premium Member
    @Evidence
    Yes, I too fell for the Alex Jones' shillery/division tactics, quickly realizing he was just enticing anger. I personally like his previous acts better now.



    Did you see what's going up on the national mall, facing an obelisk???

    https://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2017/09/28/45-foot-tall-statue-of-nude-woman-to-stand-on-National-Mall/1431506617124/
    Evidence
    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

  • Wow @Erfisflat, you just pointed out to me the correlation between what's going on with these false flag events like this "Vegas Shooting", and the "Burning Man" events, .. the word is "Dada"  or senseless:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dada

    Wikipedia - "Dada" 1920 Dada flourished in Paris.  Developed in reaction to World War I, the Dada movement consisted of artists who rejected the logic, reason, and aestheticism of modern capitalist society, instead expressing nonsense, irrationality, and anti-bourgeois protest in their works

    'Dada' lead to the Cacophony Society "a randomly gathered network of free spirits united in the pursuit of experiences beyond the pale of mainstream society." It was started in 1986 by surviving members of the now defunct Suicide Club of San Francisco now The "Burning Man", including the Evolution of man the Post Human 2.0 garbage, .. one of my nephews attends these events regularly. Funny how I took notice of his attendance of "Burning Man" some years back on his Facebook, and when I asked him what the 'burning man' was supposed to represent, he didn't know.
    When I told him it represented Jesus Christ, ..  he "unfriended me" from his Facebook.
    Erfisflat
  • So I'm just wondering, .. will the Burning Man 'woman' standing next to the phallic represent some kind of consummation of "all religions and their gods" into One-World Religion/god?

    I know the Burning Man represents all the religions/gods including the Trinity-gods (not the Bible-Jesus Christ, that's why they burn him), so is this going to be like a marriage/consummation ritual for 40 days/nights (the guy mentioned a 24 hour vigil!)

    vigil:
    a period of keeping awake during the time usually spent asleep, especially to keep watch or pray.

    Erfisflat
  • ErfisflatErfisflat 671 PtsPremium Member
    Premium Member
    @evidence please check the date on this event, I believe you have a typo in the title unless I am mistaken.
    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

  • Wow, how did that happen? Yes @Erfisflat you're right, October 1 Sunday, so either I am a victim of MK-Ultra, or it was my mind on being funny about a funny event? I was reading up on bunch of different things relating to this, .. so I have no idea how I got that date?

    Can I still change that?
  • ErfisflatErfisflat 671 PtsPremium Member
    Premium Member
    Evidence said:
    Wow, how did that happen? Yes @Erfisflat you're right, October 1 Sunday, so either I am a victim of MK-Ultra, or it was my mind on being funny about a funny event? I was reading up on bunch of different things relating to this, .. so I have no idea how I got that date?

    Can I still change that?
    Yes I think you can
    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

  • Erfisflat said:
    Evidence said:
    Wow, how did that happen? Yes @Erfisflat you're right, October 1 Sunday, so either I am a victim of MK-Ultra, or it was my mind on being funny about a funny event? I was reading up on bunch of different things relating to this, .. so I have no idea how I got that date?

    Can I still change that?
    Yes I think you can

    Got it, thanks @Erfisflat and I found out what happened, when I Googled "Las Vegas shooting", this popped up: June 8th 2014


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Las_Vegas_shootings

    same incidents, wrong time.
    Erfisflat
  • ErfisflatErfisflat 671 PtsPremium Member
    Premium Member
    @Wake  what about this incident makes you think any of it happened?
    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

  • SilverishGoldNovaSilverishGoldNova 711 PtsPremium Member
    Premium Member
    There was a video on Facebook showing that nothing happened at the concert.
  • ErfisflatErfisflat 671 PtsPremium Member
    Premium Member
    Nobody wants to jump on this? I guess everyone is in agreement that very probably the only person that died there was the patsy. Anyone have a clue why?
    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

  • SilverishGoldNovaSilverishGoldNova 711 PtsPremium Member
    Premium Member
    Evidence said:
    Crisis-actors desperately needed in Las Vegas.
    Become famous! No previous experience necessary. Make your own story and get noticed on major News Networks like Fox, CBS, Playboy, PBS children's broadcasting, CMT and many more.

    Requirements: there was a shooting in Las Vegas, not Los Angeles.
    Bullets went toward Mandalay Bay, not McDonalds or "umm, uh that way!"
    500 people were injured, not 500,000
    The rest you improvise.

    Bonuses;
    claim a dead family member $200
    claim to have been shot yourself $150
    Real tears while on camera $49.95
    Any other claims like: loaded dead people back of my truck, .. hiding under dead bodies for hours, .. looked shooter in the eyes and describe your feelings, .. "I see dead people" etc. $25 Walmart gift card

    next attack I'll be sure to make up a new identity, and say a family member died and claim to have been shot then cry. I could make a killing!
    Evidence
  • ErfisflatErfisflat 671 PtsPremium Member
    Premium Member
    Evidence said:
    Crisis-actors desperately needed in Las Vegas.
    Become famous! No previous experience necessary. Make your own story and get noticed on major News Networks like Fox, CBS, Playboy, PBS children's broadcasting, CMT and many more.

    Requirements: there was a shooting in Las Vegas, not Los Angeles.
    Bullets went toward Mandalay Bay, not McDonalds or "umm, uh that way!"
    500 people were injured, not 500,000
    The rest you improvise.

    Bonuses;
    claim a dead family member $200
    claim to have been shot yourself $150
    Real tears while on camera $49.95
    Any other claims like: loaded dead people back of my truck, .. hiding under dead bodies for hours, .. looked shooter in the eyes and describe your feelings, .. "I see dead people" etc. $25 Walmart gift card

    next attack I'll be sure to make up a new identity, and say a family member died and claim to have been shot then cry. I could make a killing!
    The gig pays about $20 hour.
    http://archive.is/hlQdr
    Evidence
    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

  • There was a video on Facebook showing that nothing happened at the concert.

    Can you find it? It be interesting. Thanks @SilverishGoldNova
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