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Will Mueller Find Evidence Against Trump Or His Cabinet?

Opening Argument

Position: For
natbaronsnatbarons 85 Pts
edited December 5 in Politics
Do you believe that Mueller will find evidence against Trump or his Cabinet?

Michael Flynn pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI. This may not be directly to collusion to Russia, but he may be cooperating with Mueller and the FBI.
aarongjoecavalrynorthsouthkoreayolostide
  1. ?

    8 votes
    1. Yes
      75.00%
    2. No
      25.00%
Points For:

21


Points Against:

22



Votes: 5

Debate Type: Traditional Debate


Opponent: CYDdharta

Rounds: 3

Time Per Round: 48 Hours Per Round

Round 1

Round 2

Round 3

Voting


Arguments

  • Round 1 | Position: For
    Yes, I believe that Mueller will find evidence against Trump or his Cabinet.

    Michael Flynn may not be cooperating with Mueller and the FBI. He also may have said that a senior campaign worker may have directed him to communicate with the Russians.

    I am not sure if Trump would be indicted, but others in his Cabinet may be due to collusion.
  • Round 1 | Position: Against
    Mueller hasn't found so much as a shred of evidence of collusion between Trump and Russia yet, and it seem unlikely he ever will.  The case for collusion appears to have no merit whatsoever.  It seems the best Mueller can hope for is make a case for obstructing an investigation that never should have been started looking into into a crime that never happened.
    aarongnatbarons
  • Round 2 | Position: For
    Mueller may find evidence through Michael Flynn. 

    Theyre may have been collusion between the Trump administration/campaign and Russia. 

    Mueller may also find financial and non-financial collusion with Russia.
  • Round 2 | Position: Against
    If Mueller had found any evidence whatsoever of Trump colluding with Russia during the election, it would have been all over the news already.  His office leaks like a sieve.  If he could justify his investigation, he would have done so by now.  The matter has been under investigation for more than a year, and all Mueller has to show for it is a couple of gotcha process crimes and indictments of matters unrelated to the campaign. 
    natbarons
  • Round 3 | Position: For
    Mueller may have found evidence against Trump’s cabinet/campaign and may have found financial ties to Russia.
  • Round 3 | Position: Against
    "I believe that Mueller will find", "Mueller may find", "Mueller may have found"...this is the same speculative argument reworded and reposted 3 times.  I could reword and repost my response, but what's the point?  We need to get some new material.
  • Vote
    MedicMedic 126 Pts
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    Total Points (For): 4 Points

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    Explanation: No real substantive arguments on either side. Conduct to Pro because at least they kept arguing.

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  • Vote
    PoguePogue 89 Pts
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    Total Points (For): 4 Points

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    Explanation: No sources or persuasive information.

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    Total Points (For): 7 Points

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    Explanation: Both sides did a great job! Should provide more evidence/sources and make arguments more persuasive.
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    Total Points (For): 2 Points

    Total Points (Against): 4 Points

    Explanation: Frankly There hasn't been substantial backup for both positions, but con provided a source and made a good argument that the pro position is purely speculative and I would expect the pro to have more of a burden of prove.
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