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Does the Biblical God exist? Possibly.

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**a thing which you don't know objectively**


I've got a pretty good idea. Enough to not blindly accept atheism as fact.
James Gates

The Beast
https://www.facebook.com/The-Beast-is-Strong-in-This-One-273041423117102/
All of these things will be true in the end according to the Bible.1)Israel exists.2)Egypt exists still but with its former power ceasing to exist.3)Syria exists.4)Damascus exists and is reduced to rubble.5)The beast system emerges. Islam literaly claims to be the beast system in its eschatology, and no one knew this outside the Muslim world until the Internet and 9/11.6)The gospel goes worldwide, and then begins a sharp decline into secularism.7)Homosexuality becomes normal and accepted.8)It is depicted as all manifesting rather rapidly in sequence.God couldn't have handed it to us on a more silver platter, so it might seem.

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  • Actually, the Bible doesn't explicitly make any of these claims. Human interpretation of the Bible is how these claims have come to be. As to the proposition, the god of the Bible is logically impossible and cannot exist as described in the Bible. For example, an immortal being cannot die...and yet, Jesus is said to have died. This is incoherent.
  • This is an unresolvable argument that has been debated countless times.
    Even if some guy descended from heaven on a cloud, tomorrow and said. Hi I'm God. 
    Do you think everyone would believe him?
  • MikeMike 63 Pts

    One’s belief in God is a personal reality and is part of the social thread running through most civil societies.

    My thoughts on the subject, “Does the Biblical God exist” will one day, perhaps, science will be able to answer. Until then, we have to wait for science to evolve where unequivocally the answer is indisputable.

    For example, during the seventeenth century, how would one who believes in the existence of radio waves use the scientific tools of the day to empirically demonstrate its existence?    

    Today our elite physicists are spinning over many theories (belief) in “dark matter,” yet they lack the scientific tools to empirically demonstrate which theory is correct, if any.

     In general, we are a product of the physical laws of nature and by the property of omnipotence, trapped within its matrix, there are no exceptions. The constructal flow of humanity through this matrix gave rise to philosophy, the taming of fire, the scientific method, having freedom to seek the path of least resistance in human evolution providing greater access to the pedagogic currents of nature.

    BaconToes
  • @Mike
    Science doesn't draw conclusions about supernatural explanations. Belief in biblical god is based on your own faith. Science can not tell you whether a person created by the imagination of man, is real.
    https://undsci.berkeley.edu/article/0_0_0/whatisscience_12

  • MikeMike 63 Pts
    @BaconToes

    Very true, God is based on faith. As for science relative to “the imagination of man,” it is all about the imagination of man using science to fly, live and breathe under water, walk on the moon, etc. Perhaps, the imagination of man using science will one day unequivocally answer the God question. Until then, it is a leap of faith, or a dialectic, in the development of one’s philosophy   about the origin of this awesome machinery of nature until the evolution of science provides the indisputable incarnation thereof.

    That is, since there is a dispute on said subject, confirms science is yet able to solve the mystery of events before the big bang. There are many theories, and on that note, just another set of beliefs.

  • SkepticalOneSkepticalOne 46 Pts
    edited January 9
    This debate is not about the existence of an ill-defined unknowable god, but the god of the Bible whom much is claimed which science can weigh in on. The Christian god is said to have wiped out Sodom and Gomorrah with fire and brimstone, caused a global flood, and the death of many first born as well as a pharaoh and his soldiers. Taking these stories at face value we have a reasonable expectation for evidence such as contemporary records from neighboring civilizations, archaeological evidence, and geological evidence.  (Taking these stories as metaphorical creates other problems, but we'll see if that argument is necessary before I head in that direction)

    What kind of evidence would the destruction Sodom and Gomorrah leave behind? First off, we would expect contemporary writings about the destruction of two cities. In other words, eyewitnesses who tell us about this destruction and what they saw. There are none. The Bible tells us these cities were destroyed with fire and brimstone.

    Genesis 19: 24

    Then the Lord rained on Sodom and Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the Lord out of heaven,

    Brimstone is another name for sulfur, and it is quite easy to spot due to its yellow color. So is there evidence for the existence of cities destroyed in this manner? No. Archeologists have been searching for these cities for almost a hundred years and have found no trace of any cities destroyed with brimstone. We’re striking out here – no evidence.


    How about we move on to the Exodus? We would expect to find Egyptian records mentioning the death of a pharaoh or the death of every first born in the land. There are none. We would expect to find a lot of evidence of 600,000 men (well over a million people including women and children) living (and dying) in the desert for 40 years, but again there is no evidence. In fact archaeologists have given up on searching for evidence of such a large group of people ever roaming the Sinai desert.

    “The archeological evidence does not support the story told in the Book of Exodus and most archaeologists have abandoned the investigation of Moses and the Exodus as "a fruitless pursuit"" [1]


    That leaves us with the Flood. If a global flood occurred, what kind of evidence would we expect to find? Well, there would be massive amount of evidence. We would expect to find a relatively recent fossil layer which included modern animals (zebras, lions, tigers, wolves, giraffes, etc.) and modern humans. This fossil layer should be worldwide. In addition to this, we should expect to find a worldwide layer of pebbles, boulders, and sludge moved about by the flood. What do we find? Nothing like this – there is no strata with modern bones and ancient fossils ...and there is no worldwide sludge layer. So again, we have struck out.

    So what about the Christian god who is said to have participated in these events? Three major stories with no evidence they ever happened. We expect to find evidence from S&G, from the Exodus, and most especially from the flood but we do not. God was (said to have been) directly involved in each of these stories. If there stories are false, then it casts serious doubt on the Christian god who is said to have played a critical part in them. Given this lack of evidence for YHWH in general and lack of evidence for the stories he is said to have been involved – I submit the god of the Bible does not exist...at least not as claimed by the Bible.

    When this lack of expected evidence is added to my earlier arguments pointing out the logical impossibility of the Christian god, disbelief (or flat out rejection) of the Christian god is a much more reasonable position than belief based on weak or non-existent evidence. 

    [1] https://books.google.com/books?id=QUSUDgAAQBAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=The+Pharaoh+of+the+Exodus:+Fairy+tale+or+real+history?&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjY84bzzcnYAhXH61MKHX7lCxkQ6AEIKTAA#v=onepage&q=fruitless pursuit&f=false


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  • MikeMike 63 Pts
    @SkepticalOne

    Thank you for sharing your philosophy on God and science. 

  • SkepticalOneSkepticalOne 46 Pts
    edited January 9
    Mike said:
    @SkepticalOne

    Thank you for sharing your philosophy on God and science. 

    Likewise, sir.  :)
  • **a thing which you don't know objectively**


    I've got a pretty good idea. Enough to not blindly accept atheism as fact.
    James Gates

    The Beast
    https://www.facebook.com/The-Beast-is-Strong-in-This-One-273041423117102/
    All of these things will be true in the end according to the Bible.1)Israel exists.2)Egypt exists still but with its former power ceasing to exist.3)Syria exists.4)Damascus exists and is reduced to rubble.5)The beast system emerges. Islam literaly claims to be the beast system in its eschatology, and no one knew this outside the Muslim world until the Internet and 9/11.6)The gospel goes worldwide, and then begins a sharp decline into secularism.7)Homosexuality becomes normal and accepted.8)It is depicted as all manifesting rather rapidly in sequence.God couldn't have handed it to us on a more silver platter, so it might seem.

    @brontoraptor Interesting video with James Gates, which lead me to this other video he was in with Neil D. ,, this one:



    Here are physicists, astrophysicists, and philosophers saying what I have been saying for many years straight out of the Bible, but I guess with no PHD, my voice just don't carry as far and wide as these guys, including the "Blue Brain Project" inventor Henry Markram.

    "Does the Biblical God exist? Possibly."

    Now either I'm crazy, or this sounds just like in those videos where a bunch of physicists, astrophysicists, and philosophers who after having observed all of Edison's inventions all their life, .. read his Biography, would get together and ask "Did Edison exist? Possibly."

    Hmm, .. good question! If physicists, astrophysicists, and philosophers can't figure out if Edison existed or not, they sure as hell won't figure out if Bible God exists or not! Because they don't want to, and you can see that right off the bat in the video I just posted. Degrassee mocks even the idea, hinting for everyone to stay away from the idea of "someone having created this Matrix" .. the idea of a "Creator". 

    Does Biblical God exist? Biblical God, .. the Creator of Heaven and Earth, that God?
    Well according to the Bible, of course He exists. But what kind of proof are we, or are they looking for?
    Like are they looking for the "Creator of all things" that we observe in the physical world, .. that God? Or the one who created the quantum speck that popped out of nothing which got denser and hotter until it exploded in nothing with a Big-Bang (because if something popped out of, or fluctuated out of nothing, would have to remain in nothing, where else would it be?) that god? You know, that Catholic Jesuit god that caused the Big Bang and then evolved into the Evolution theory, because they claim that too was Bible God.



    Or are we talking about the Mormon god Mormo, because they too use the Bible and claim their god is Bible God.

    What I have observed over the years is that these physicists, professors, philosophers actually know THE Infinite Creator exists, and how He created everything, but in these debates they make it sound as if they don't. This is to keep the truth hidden in plain sight, just as they do with the Flat Earth, with planets, .. which is actually a really good one. We can all see the stars, all they did was create a fantastic story and gave us artist rendered caricatures of the stars and we believed them.

    Well they are doing the very opposite with God, they eliminate the most important aspects (if that's the right word?) of God, and when all this other obvious things pop up because of our advancement in understanding physics and computer technology, they go round and round acting all ignorant about it, as if they just couldn't connect the dots.

    Yes, that right there in the videos IS the evidence, not particularly of God Himself, but How  Infinite God created everything. Now all they have to do is admit that "Infinite" is reality, and wham, everyone with basic understanding of science and math terminology like; finite and infinite numbers exist in Infinite.

    Simple logic:
    Once Infinite created Word, or language, it is no longer part of Infinite, yet it is still within Infinite. And through this language (as these physicists, astrophysicists, and philosophers say; this computer language) God is able to create all things through "Word"

    It's all right there, clear as day John 1:1-

    Seriously, let's think about this for a second!? Does anyone actually think that todays physicists, astrophysicists, and philosophers who make their living in keeping the human population in ignorance with their lies like NASA and CERN does, who openly worship the god of this world Lucifer would turn in their credentials, get on their knees in repentance and admit that they have been lying to us since the invention of the word 'science'!? And admit that; "the God of the Bible did create the universe and everything in it, .. and here is how He did it!"

    Mathew 12:26 If Satan casts out Satan, he is divided against himself. How then will his kingdom stand?


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