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CNN VS FOX NEWS

Opening Argument

Position: Against
BaconToesBaconToes 88 Pts
edited February 5 in News
@Pogue
CNN(for)
Fox News(aganist)
@Pogue please copy and paste your argument from the first round from the last formalish debate into this one.
melef


Debra AI Prediction

Tie
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Points For:

15


Points Against:

14



Votes: 4

Debate Type: Traditional Debate


Opponent: Pogue

Rounds: 3

Time Per Round: 48 Hours Per Round

Round 1

Round 2

Round 3

Voting


Arguments

  • Round 1 | Position: For
    I prefer CNN because their politifact/punditfact rating on the truth is much higher than Fox News. However, I do get my news from a variety of sources. I also do not like Fox News because of the clear and blatant bias they show.

    I could either have the future pass me or l could create it. 

    “We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.” - Benjamin Franklin  So flat Earthers, man-made climate change deniers, and just science deniers.

    I friended myself! 
  • Round 2 | Position: Against
    BaconToesBaconToes 88 Pts
    edited February 5
    I disagree. According to my sources, CNN is very left-winged and biased.
    https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/cnn/ ;
    It has been very anti-trump and anti-conservative.
    Punditfact and Politifact have been proven to give false statements and favor left-leaning channels like CNN.
    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/punditfact-lies-again/article/2555481
    http://thefederalist.com/2016/12/16/running-data-politifact-shows-bias-conservatives/
    And finally, the source that sheds light on all of PolitiFact's bias. A site made especially to point them out.
    http://www.politifactbias.com/
    They especially target republican/conservative people and claim that what they said was "false" or "mostly false."
    But when democratic/liberal people said the same thing with different wording, it is "true" or "mostly true."
    islander507
  • Round 2 | Position: For
    edited February 6
    Disclaimer: You deleted the other debate so I lost my other argument so this one is not as good, like not even close. I rushed this because I got annoyed. Thank you! 

    Your source, https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/fox-news/ credits politifact has a source. This very contradictory to your point of Politifact being fake news. Your source also lists Fox News has a right wing biased source, https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/right/ . What information does this source have to put CNN has a biased source. Do you have information that shows CNN and Politifact is biased that I have not debunked. I have information (a lot) that shows Fox News is very right wing biased. Here are some, "Critics say that Fox News cropped quotes from President Obama and Vice President Biden so they seemed out of context and used footage from other events that did not match the event reported." https://www.allsides.com/news-source/fox-news-media-bias . They literally said why do you care if Trump wanted to fire Mueller. http://www.businessinsider.com/fox-news-defends-trump-against-report-he-tried-to-fire-mueller-2018-1 . Here are more https://fair.org/extra/the-most-biased-name-in-news/ and https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2017/12/11/fake-news-try-fox/9hyplENOT2DPQbJ63iI3UM/story.html.  ;

    The politifact bias website only states, 
    "Why is it okay in Georgia for "lowest" to reasonably reflect a two-way tie with Wyoming, but in Texas using "lowest" where there's a three-way tie earns the speaker a "False" rating?


    "
    The reason this does not show a politifact bias is because it does not. The Georgia one is true because the minimum wage is the lowest in the country but it is not number 1 solely. The Texas one is declared false because it is not the lowest in 40 years. Wording matters. Also, one instance does not counter multiple of truth. 1/>=100 (not equal to or greater than). 

    The federalist website only gives the statistics on politifact for republicans and democrats and the explanation length on trueness and false rankings. The length of explanations is much longer because if it is false, you have to explain the truth and what is wrong about it. However, the truth explanation is short because you just have to explain the truth. It also gives no information on why the republican and democrat truth rating is wrong on politifact. What if it is right? They have no information on why politifact is wrong when they have facts. 

    Fox News is so biased that it broke UK bias rules. http://thehill.com/homenews/media/358941-british-regulator-fox-news-broke-uk-bias-rules

    This has been a fun debate (besides you deleting the other debate so I had to rush this so this is not that good) and even the skype spam. I await your response. Have a good day. 

    I could either have the future pass me or l could create it. 

    “We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.” - Benjamin Franklin  So flat Earthers, man-made climate change deniers, and just science deniers.

    I friended myself! 
  • Round 2 | Position: Against
    "Your source, https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/fox-news/ credits politifact has a source. This very contradictory to your point of Politifact being fake news. Your source also lists Fox News has a right wing biased source, https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/right/ ."

    First, I've never stated that Politifact was "fake news." I just stated that it favors left-leaning politicians and is biased. Fake news means news that is fabricated and is not true or partially true. Biased is when someone makes a preconceived "fact" or opinion. It does have some truth, but it is biased towards right-wingers. I have provided proof and sources to prove this other than mediabiasfactcheck.com. 

    "What information does this source have to put CNN has a biased source. Do you have information that shows CNN and Politifact is biased that I have not debunked."

    For Politifact:
    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/punditfact-lies-again/article/2555481
    http://thefederalist.com/2016/12/16/running-data-politifact-shows-bias-conservatives/
    http://www.politifactbias.com/

    "The politifact bias website only states, 
    "Why is it okay in Georgia for "lowest" to reasonably reflect a two-way tie with Wyoming, but in Texas using "lowest" where there's a three-way tie earns the speaker a "False" rating?


    "
    The reason this does not show a politifact bias is because it does not. The Georgia one is true because the minimum wage is the lowest in the country but it is not number 1 solely. The Texas one is declared false because it is not the lowest in 40 years. Wording matters. Also, one instance does not counter multiple of truth. 1/>=100 (not equal to or greater than)." 

    Since you clearly do not understand, I'll explain this to you. Greg Abbott said that the unemployment rate is now the lowest in 40 years and PolitiFact listed it as "false" because it tied with the two month period during 2000. Here's what PolitiFact said:
    Rather, it tied the previous 40-year low set in two months of 2000.
    Now, Stacey Evans said that Georgia has the lowest minimum wage in the country, even though it is tied with Wyoming.
    Lowest states that it is lower than all other states, using the logic PolitiFact used with Greg Abbott. Since it's not the "lowest" the declare Abbott's statement as false, why not Evans' as false as well? This clearly shows the democratic bias that was shown by Politifact.  

    "The federalist website only gives the statistics on politifact for republicans and democrats and the explanation length on trueness and false rankings. The length of explanations is much longer because if it is false, you have to explain the truth and what is wrong about it. However, the truth explanation is short because you just have to explain the truth. It also gives no information on why the republican and democrat truth rating is wrong on politifact. What if it is right? They have no information on why politifact is wrong when they have facts."

    Since you would not read the entire article, let me quote some of them so you would actually read it. When talking about democratic poiticans, they used less words. When talking about republican politicans, they said in depth what each word means, trying to make them seem as bad as they can.

    "For example, if a statement is plainly true or clearly false, PolitiFact will simply provide the statement and analyze it according to a widely respected data source. It takes less than 100 words to verify Romney’s statement on out-of-wedlock births or Hillary Clinton’s statement on CEO pay.

    By contrast, when you look at their articles on Romney’s statement about Obama apologizing for the United States (a statement PolitiFact fact-checked no fewer than fivetimes), PolitiFact did an in-depth analysis of what exactly it means to “apologize” for something. They looked at Romney’s statement, asked his team for a response, parsed the response, got other “expert” opinions, and combed through Obama’s statements.

    The first three times they fact-checked this, PolitiFact had to use 3,000-plus words per article to explain that Romney was wrong. Each time, their rating relied on what exactly it means to “apologize.” They then wrote pieces that sound a lot like a parent scolding a small child about how they have to “really mean” their apology or it doesn’t count.

    What takes the most words are when they need to explain their reasoning about why you might think something is true (or false), but you are wrong and it is, as a matter of fact, false (or true). We found this pretty consistently. If you look at the shortest 10 percent of all fact-checks, two thirds of them are rated as “True” or “Mostly True.” Conversely, of the longest 10 percent of fact checks two-thirds are rated “Half True” or “Mostly False,” ratings we typically found to be fairly subjective."

    CNN is known for its fake news, irrelevance, and its terrible geography skills.
    http://thefederalist.com/2017/12/08/18-questions-cnn-needs-to-answer-after-getting-busted-for-fake-news/
    I'll share some memes to show this.

    Image result for cnn memes
    Image result for cnn memes
    Oh also forgot, CNN blackmailed a kid because they made a meme of them.
  • Round 3 | Position: For
    edited February 6
    BaconToes said:
    "Your source, https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/fox-news/ credits politifact has a source. This very contradictory to your point of Politifact being fake news. Your source also lists Fox News has a right wing biased source, https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/right/ ."

    First, I've never stated that Politifact was "fake news." I just stated that it favors left-leaning politicians and is biased. Fake news means news that is fabricated and is not true or partially true. Biased is when someone makes a preconceived "fact" or opinion. It does have some truth, but it is biased towards right-wingers. I have provided proof and sources to prove this other than mediabiasfactcheck.com. 

    "What information does this source have to put CNN has a biased source. Do you have information that shows CNN and Politifact is biased that I have not debunked."

    For Politifact:
    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/punditfact-lies-again/article/2555481
    http://thefederalist.com/2016/12/16/running-data-politifact-shows-bias-conservatives/
    http://www.politifactbias.com/

    "The politifact bias website only states, 
    "Why is it okay in Georgia for "lowest" to reasonably reflect a two-way tie with Wyoming, but in Texas using "lowest" where there's a three-way tie earns the speaker a "False" rating?


    "
    The reason this does not show a politifact bias is because it does not. The Georgia one is true because the minimum wage is the lowest in the country but it is not number 1 solely. The Texas one is declared false because it is not the lowest in 40 years. Wording matters. Also, one instance does not counter multiple of truth. 1/>=100 (not equal to or greater than)." 

    Since you clearly do not understand, I'll explain this to you. Greg Abbott said that the unemployment rate is now the lowest in 40 years and PolitiFact listed it as "false" because it tied with the two month period during 2000. Here's what PolitiFact said:
    Rather, it tied the previous 40-year low set in two months of 2000.
    Now, Stacey Evans said that Georgia has the lowest minimum wage in the country, even though it is tied with Wyoming.
    Lowest states that it is lower than all other states, using the logic PolitiFact used with Greg Abbott. Since it's not the "lowest" the declare Abbott's statement as false, why not Evans' as false as well? This clearly shows the democratic bias that was shown by Politifact.  

    "The federalist website only gives the statistics on politifact for republicans and democrats and the explanation length on trueness and false rankings. The length of explanations is much longer because if it is false, you have to explain the truth and what is wrong about it. However, the truth explanation is short because you just have to explain the truth. It also gives no information on why the republican and democrat truth rating is wrong on politifact. What if it is right? They have no information on why politifact is wrong when they have facts."

    Since you would not read the entire article, let me quote some of them so you would actually read it. When talking about democratic poiticans, they used less words. When talking about republican politicans, they said in depth what each word means, trying to make them seem as bad as they can.

    "For example, if a statement is plainly true or clearly false, PolitiFact will simply provide the statement and analyze it according to a widely respected data source. It takes less than 100 words to verify Romney’s statement on out-of-wedlock births or Hillary Clinton’s statement on CEO pay.

    By contrast, when you look at their articles on Romney’s statement about Obama apologizing for the United States (a statement PolitiFact fact-checked no fewer than fivetimes), PolitiFact did an in-depth analysis of what exactly it means to “apologize” for something. They looked at Romney’s statement, asked his team for a response, parsed the response, got other “expert” opinions, and combed through Obama’s statements.

    The first three times they fact-checked this, PolitiFact had to use 3,000-plus words per article to explain that Romney was wrong. Each time, their rating relied on what exactly it means to “apologize.” They then wrote pieces that sound a lot like a parent scolding a small child about how they have to “really mean” their apology or it doesn’t count.

    What takes the most words are when they need to explain their reasoning about why you might think something is true (or false), but you are wrong and it is, as a matter of fact, false (or true). We found this pretty consistently. If you look at the shortest 10 percent of all fact-checks, two thirds of them are rated as “True” or “Mostly True.” Conversely, of the longest 10 percent of fact checks two-thirds are rated “Half True” or “Mostly False,” ratings we typically found to be fairly subjective."

    CNN is known for its fake news, irrelevance, and its terrible geography skills.
    http://thefederalist.com/2017/12/08/18-questions-cnn-needs-to-answer-after-getting-busted-for-fake-news/
    I'll share some memes to show this.

    Image result for cnn memes
    Image result for cnn memes
    Oh also forgot, CNN blackmailed a kid because they made a meme of them.
    First, let us debunk the pictures. The Russian dressing picture is becasue Sean Spicer, the former press secretary for the president, said, “If the president puts Russian salad dressing on his salad tonight, somehow that’s a Russian connection.” 
    http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/326155-spicer-if-trump-uses-russian-salad-dressing-somehow-thats-a-russian

    The Hong Kong Brazil meme is because of a map glitch. https://www.theguardian.com/media/2015/jun/29/cnn-slip-ups-hong-kong-dildos

    The 2 scoops were reported by almost every major news channel and some websites. It was just his dining preferences. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-two-icecream-scoops-guests-get-one-time-magazine-diet-coke-thousand-island-dressing-a7732101.html

    You said they have given false information and by your definition, they are fake news because they gave false information. 

    Can you actually give an explanation and why it shows bias?  The Texas one was false becasue it was not the lowest and did not lead the nation in job creation. It also was not the least. How is this a bias? Wording matters

    "Two Fox News shows broke U.K. impartiality rules during discussions of Present Donald Trump’s travel ban and the Manchester bombing, a watchdog found.

    Media regulator Ofcom found that the shows, Hannity and Tucker Carlson Tonight, had breached several rules of the British Broadcasting Code related to representing alternative viewpoints and being impartial on major political matters, The Guardianreported." http://www.newsweek.com/fake-news-two-fox-news-shows-broke-uk-bias-rules-regulator-finds-703183 ;

    When has CNN broke a country's bias law

    Larry King said they were a Republican brand. 

    They did blackmail him. It was just a Twitter hashtag like releasing the memo. No real backing, https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-intersect/wp/2017/07/05/the-reddit-user-behind-trumps-cnn-meme-apologized-but-cnnblackmail-is-the-story-taking-hold/?utm_term=.bf86c0395bed

    What is biased about having more words? It is an explanation. They did in-depth research. Can they help them if it is false? 

    https://newrepublic.com/article/146655/fox-news-not-fake-news-awards-real-threat

    I also do not like them because of Tucker Carlson. He is a racist, islamophobic, anti-immigrant person. youtube.com/watch?v=SkQKVMYyPoM

    Sean Hannity called the what the FBI was supposedly doing in the Nunes memo watergate times 1000. He said the Russia investigation was a witch hunt. 

    Here, have some Fox News geography bad stuff. 

    Fox News was probably eager to invade Iraq. 

    Fox News has a countries borders that do not even exist. 


    This was a good debate. Best person wins. 


    Also, no news is completely credible. That is why you need multiple. However, Fox has more false claims considering Politifact which you have not proven to be a bad source.

    I could either have the future pass me or l could create it. 

    “We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.” - Benjamin Franklin  So flat Earthers, man-made climate change deniers, and just science deniers.

    I friended myself! 
  • Vote
    BaconToesBaconToes 88 Pts
    edited February 6
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  • Vote
    Persuasive Argument (For): 3 Points
    Evidence And Sources (For): 2 Points
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    Persuasive Argument (Against): 3 Points
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    Total Points (For): 8 Points

    Total Points (Against): 8 Points

    Explanation: Both sides did a nice job.  I gave same points to both,although I personally prefer Fox and believe that CNN is Fake News.
  • Vote
    melefmelef 55 Pts
    Persuasive Argument (For): 2 Points
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    Total Points (For): 7 Points

    Total Points (Against): 6 Points

    Explanation: Great Debate! Both sides should have more persuasive arguments and Against should have more/better evidence/sources.
  • Vote
    MedicMedic 149 Pts
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    Explanation: There was no actual clash here or setout of any potential clash areas. The teams just drove right past each other. No vote.

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