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The earth is flat

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ErfisflatErfisflat 659 PtsPremium Member
edited August 22 in Earth Science
I'm not satisfied with modern scientism's explanation for the "universe". I've searched the internet for two years now and the only proof I've found for such is pseudoscience and other logical fallacies. Maybe someone can point me in the right direction. What I'm looking for is actual curvature or axial rotation from independent, non-manipulated imagery or logic. Such from government sources and space agencies are demonstrably unreliable.
natbaronspassedbillrandaltherepale5melanielustjoecavalrymarijuansmuchoweasearthsshapeand 11 others.
  1. Is the earth flat?

    38 votes
    1. Of course!
      18.42%
    2. But, muh science book!
      81.58%
Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

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  • ErfisflatErfisflat 659 PtsPremium Member
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    Why do you think you live on a spinning ball?
    natbaronspassedbillJuicyMelonTechSilverishGoldNovafeaChrist
    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

  • natbaronsnatbarons 59 Pts
    I agree with @Erfisflat . There are cover up claims of the NASA applo moon launch. Maybe images taken from space of the Earth are also counterfeit. That is one of the best cases for the Earth being some what round. Although gravity could have involvement in a flat Earth.
    passedbillSilverishGoldNovaErfisflatfea
  • @Erfisflat , the Earth is round. There were pictures taken from space of the Eartha me it proves that the Earth is in fact round. Also, there are thing she that depend on a round earth such as ships and travel. If the earth was flat they would fly right of into space. 
    ErfisflatSilverishGoldNova
  • ErfisflatErfisflat 659 PtsPremium Member
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    @passedbill  saw a picture of a unicorn the other day, but I know full well they don't exist. In the flat earth model, the north pole is the middle of a circle, with south all straight lines away from there. East and west are only relative. So circumnavigation is entirely possible on a flat earth. On a ball earth however, pilots get to a certain altitude and LEVEL out. On a ball they would fly out in space, do you know how much a ball that it 25,000 miles in circumference should curve down in say, 10 miles?
    randalSilverishGoldNovaChrist
    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

  • randalrandal 59 Pts
    That's a good find @Erfisflat . You made a wonderful point that even persuades me of your side a little. Although, you have to rember that there were images, which are not counterfeit taken of earth in space which clearly display its circular shape.
    Erfisflat
  • ErfisflatErfisflat 659 PtsPremium Member
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    @randal
    NASA openly admits that they're all Photoshop bro. Like i say, there are pictures of unicorns and 200 foot gorillas out there, but that goes against our common senses. Water has never been found in humped form on any measurable scale, but it should be, in order for the earth to be a ball that is 25,000 miles in circumference. Research flat earth theory, don't take my word for it. Stay away from the flat earth society though, it's run by shills.
    therepSilverishGoldNovaChrist
    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

  • thereptherep 55 Pts
    There are many pictures of the earth from different aeuronatuics orgainizations.
    Erfisflat
  • ErfisflatErfisflat 659 PtsPremium Member
    edited June 8 Premium Member
    @therep

    Pictures are not proof of anything. You can go see the death star for about $10 now,  is that evidence for its existence?
    Christ
    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

  • agsragsr 564 PtsPremium MemberTechnology Community Moderator
    Premium MemberTechnology Community Moderator
    @Erfisflat, I have to admit that I didnt hear about this consipracy theory before and after researching it a bit it seems that its a legitimate movement that sincerely belives he earth is flat.
    the movement has grown by 200 people a year since 2009, so I have to believe it is still a very small number of consipracy theorists...

    http://www.livescience.com/24310-flat-earth-belief.html

    http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php/topic,1324.msg1312141.html#msg1312141

    I personally will argue that there is a larger chance of us being Startrek hologram characters than Earth actually being flat.  I did see on the society site they have pretty nice rebuttals about frequent points about earth being round, so I will not attempt to actually debate this point.  
    My only argument will have to be that NASA, Russia, Elon Musk, SpaceX, all telescope people,,etc conspiring on this is pretty unlikely.
    ErfisflatAlwaysCorrect
    Live Long and Prosper
  • LogicLogic 227 Pts
    Google space?   Why not use a telescope to examine other planets and see how they are round. After that, What makes our planet the ONLY planet that is flat?
    melanielustriddle12ErfisflatCovenySnakesOfferingApplesSilverishGoldNova1Hacker0
  • LogicLogic 227 Pts
    Plus, There are alot of things we don't know about the earth like the pilot thing and why that happens. This doesn't just mean you can insert flat earth there. Like some theists use the god of the gap, While the earth other logical ones don't.  Some flat earthers use the 'flat earth' of the gaps. While the logical ones [knowing they have no legit proof]only say 'I know this and this about the earth from what i have learned, But i think the earth is like this and this.'
    Erfisflatriddle12AlwaysCorrect
  • ale5ale5 146 PtsPremium Member
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    Logic said:
    Google space?   Why not use a telescope to examine other planets and see how they are round. After that, What makes our planet the ONLY planet that is flat?
    Right - good point @Logic.  While we cannot show Earth is round what Is rationale for us being the only flat planet.  This flat Earth theory is pretty weird and really difficult to defend
    riddle12AlwaysCorrectSilverishGoldNovaErfisflat
    It's kind of fun to do the impossible
    - Walt Disney
  • ErfisflatErfisflat 659 PtsPremium Member
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    agsr said:
    @Erfisflat, I have to admit that I didnt hear about this consipracy theory before and after researching it a bit it seems that its a legitimate movement that sincerely belives he earth is flat.
    the movement has grown by 200 people a year since 2009, so I have to believe it is still a very small number of consipracy theorists...

    http://www.livescience.com/24310-flat-earth-belief.html

    http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php/topic,1324.msg1312141.html#msg1312141

    I personally will argue that there is a larger chance of us being Startrek hologram characters than Earth actually being flat.  I did see on the society site they have pretty nice rebuttals about frequent points about earth being round, so I will not attempt to actually debate this point.  
    My only argument will have to be that NASA, Russia, Elon Musk, SpaceX, all telescope people,,etc conspiring on this is pretty unlikely.
    oh, flat earth is much bigger than just a few hundred people look it up on Google trends. The flat earth society website is run by shills. Those few organizations are in fact conspiring,  but what do "telescope people" have to do with the earth shape? Sounds like a red herring. Likewise, the likelihood of a conspiracy is another red herring. There are actual people doing experiments try in to find curvature, what should be there, isnt.
    Christ
    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

  • ErfisflatErfisflat 659 PtsPremium Member
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    @Logic yet another logical fallacy. Looking at lights in the sky proves nothing about the ground you walk on. That's like looking at the billiard balls and stating that the table is spherical too. In all actuality, you can not see them as spheres anyway. When I say the earth is flat, I mean the entire heliocentric model is false. We've all been duped. There's nowhere else to go.
    LogicSnakesOfferingApplesChrist
    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

  • ErfisflatErfisflat 659 PtsPremium Member
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    @ale5. It's not that difficult to defend, it's common sense. When you look at the horizon, what shape is it? When we observe liquid physics, we see it's always flat. Lakes, oceans, it's all flat.
    Wolfgang666Christ
    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

  • ErfisflatErfisflat 659 PtsPremium Member
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    @Logic
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    Christ
    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

  • ErfisflatErfisflat 659 PtsPremium Member
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    So that's it? Red herrings and "muh pictures"? Surely there is demonstrable evidence for such a widely accepted scientific "fact". Doesn't look good for atheists!
    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

  • Let's look at how the earth being flat makes no sense.

    All objects in the universe have a center of gravity. And when matter gravitates towards that center, it comes in from all surrounding points possible on a plane. So what does this mean for outer space? SInce the scale of that empty space is so large, any matter floating by would have to gravitate towards some center. That's how the earth was created; leftover matter from stellar activity (which I can explain in-depth if you'd like) gravitated, formed a center core, and eventually the heat and pressure from that core created enough mass to have a strong enough gravitational pull to compress all that matter together. And in the conditions of space, as explained, the only shape that could possibly take would be a sphere. If the earth was flat, what would the dimensions be? Where would it end? What support does it possibly have? How thick is it? How do you explain the consistency throughout the entire world of layers of crust and core found through digging and empirical, physical evidence? It just doesn't add up.

    And we have that evidence when the earth takes a spherical shape. Look no farther than the sun. Why isn't the sun flat? Or the moon? We see the moon rotating constantly.

    For your point about the horizon, it's not that hard to explain. The earth is simply extremely large. Think about it like this; if you look at the tip of your finger, it has a distinct shape and a curve. But if you zoom in on the tip of your finger with a microscope, you'll get close enough to see that the image flattens out. If you were an extremely microscopic organism standing on the tip of someone's finger, it would look like a flat horizon, too. Humans standing on earth are similar. We see a flat horizon, but it's round when you zoom out and get the bigger picture.

    Another point; how do you explain those historic airplane flights that have gone around the world? We now know that it is possible to fly from one place in one direction, go all the way around, and arrive right back where you started but coming in from a different direction. That wouldn't be possible if the earth was a sphere.

    Thanks for sharing your opinion, it's an uncommon one. Although I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not (if you aren't then sorry)
    Erfisflatm_abusteit
  • Also, when has NASA ever admitted they photoshopped pictures of earth?

    I create space images on Photoshop all the time because there are some theories out there, such as black holes, where the only image that could be produced is digital. And not even for theories either - most pictures you see of our own galaxy, for example, are digitally generated and based off of what scientists have said are galaxies that most resemble our own. Sometimes scientists gather information on, say, a star, using radio technology and astrophysics-aligned math, but the telescope picture is small or too blurry because it's so far away. That's another instance where an artist would be given the information he needs to accurately digitally recreate an image of that star. There are a lot of fine reasons why NASA needs Photoshop, but I don't think any of them have ever had to do with images of the earth. If you know anything about that please say.
    Erfisflat
  • For axial rotation, look no farther than the sky...the sun doesn't orbit the earth, the earth simply rotates so that we have different views of the sun. See this:
    http://scienceblogs.com/startswithabang/2010/09/17/but-it-moves-how-we-know-the-e/
    Erfisflat
  • ErfisflatErfisflat 659 PtsPremium Member
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    "any matter floating by would have to gravitate towards some center. "

    The only observable evidence of "gravity" is what goes up must come down. This contradicts a spherical earth. People knew the earth was flat for thousands of years. When Aristotle first postulated that the earth was round, they probably didn't think that someone would be living on the underside of it. Then, when that was realized, some magical "force" was needed to explain how this could be. Enter Newton and his answer with his theory, that supported Aristotle's initial theory, which had since graduated to an assumption. What you are try in to do now is prove the assumption with the theory. It's ok to make some assumptions to form a theory, but eventually you should prove the assumption.

    "That's how the earth was created; "

    Another assumption.. along with "space" which none of us have witnessed, what the core of the ball earth is, we've only dug 8 miles down, so it is NOT empirical, as you falsely stated. What if it's an infinite plane? 

    As far as the horizon, if you were to rise in altitude, it would fall and curve away, unlike reality, which stays flat and eye level.

    Circumnavigation was explained before. Look a couple of posts up.

    "Also, when has NASA ever admitted they photoshopped pictures of earth"

    https://www.nasa.gov/centers/goddard/about/people/RSimmon.html

    http://thecoincidencetheorist.com/space/finding-sex-on-nasas-epic-earth-image-once-you-see-it-you-wont-unsee-it/

    "For axial rotation, look no farther than the sky...the sun doesn't orbit the earth,"

    Of course not, nothing "orbits the earth, the sun is small and close. It circuits around the north pole, lighting locally. This is provable by looking at crepuscular rays.
    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

  • ErfisflatErfisflat 659 PtsPremium Member
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    @melanielust

    See above, I'm new here.
    Christ
    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

  • ErfisflatErfisflat 659 PtsPremium Member
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    Anyone else care to explain why they think they're a monkey on a spinning ball? 
    Wolfgang666SilverishGoldNovaChrist
    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

  • No, seriously, I think you are actually trolling here.  Especially with that name.  Erf is flat.  Obvious troll is obvious.  
    SilverishGoldNova
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