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Dinosaurs are a children's fairy tale

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ErfisflatErfisflat 811 Pts
Evolution pushers would have us believe that life started from a slime and, against astronomical odds gave birth to millions of different species changing into great lizards, a worldwide disaster killed off all of them, so we could never see them. Then, start the farfetched evolution process A SECOND TIME. If you honestly believe a single miner, farmer, ditch digger, foundation layer, etc. should never have found a dinosaur by now, you are gullible. Fairies, unicorns, Sandy clause, a spherical earth, your living in fantasy land. Only a pseudoscientist would look at a few old bones or teeth and dream up the likes of a T-Rex or the like.
kmelkevolution17dropoutEvidenceaarongmedldriddle12northsouthkoreaquarislander507natbaronsand 4 others.
  1. Dinosaurs are real?

    20 votes
    1. I've never found one
      45.00%
    2. They have bones!
      55.00%
Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

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  • @Erfisflat, have you been to museums of natural history in cities like NYC?  They have excavated bones and restored really comprehensive exhibits. Are you suggesting that all of that is fake and part of a conspiracy theory?  Given your position on earth being flat, that wouldn't be that far fetched <span>:smiley:</span>
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  • There we are many dinasour fossils found by multiple archaeologists.
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  • ErfisflatErfisflat 811 Pts
    When you go to a museum and see a dinosaur, you're looking at reshaped elephant bones and plaster. Try to touch one next time. A brontosaurus would've had to eat 90 hours a day. Not a typo. Not a single dinosaur bone has been accidentally found.
    Evidence
    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

  • ErfisflatErfisflat 811 Pts
    It doesn't seem even the least bit weird that ONLY people with vested interest (archaeologists and museum curators) have found these fossils?
    dropoutEvidence
    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

  • dropoutdropout 37 Pts
    I disagree with @Erfisflat . That is a great point, but  It's like astronomers finding new universe research. They are trained for it and it's hard to find. Normal people are trained to find fossils and there aren't many out here due to events and natural occurring events etc. There are reasons additionally such as them being deep not outside or at least in most cases if not all cases etc.
  • ErfisflatErfisflat 811 Pts
    Critically examining the T-Rex, is it plausible to claim this deformed looking creature was at the top of the food chain back then? I beg to differ.
    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

  • EvidenceEvidence 269 Pts
    Erfisflat said:
    Evolution pushers would have us believe that life started from a slime and, against astronomical odds gave birth to millions of different species changing into great lizards, a worldwide disaster killed off all of them, so we could never see them. Then, start the farfetched evolution process A SECOND TIME. If you honestly believe a single miner, farmer, ditch digger, foundation layer, etc. should never have found a dinosaur by now, you are gullible. Fairies, unicorns, Sandy clause, a spherical earth, your living in fantasy land. Only a pseudoscientist would look at a few old bones or teeth and dream up the likes of a T-Rex or the like.

    I agree, I just believed they were real because, .. well you know, .. scientists told us so, and scientists should know, who am I to question theses people with degrees, and all them credentials, right? Like the Globe-Earth, just because the earth looks flat from every possible perspective don't mean it is, what they told us.
    Erfisflat
  • ErfisflatErfisflat 811 Pts
    If something is taught as fact to children, before they can develop even the first critical thought, it must be re-examined. This is evidence of indoctrination. Unless we can personally and empirically verify this "fact" , it's validity should be skeptically challenged. This is the very meaning of science. Falsifiability. No falsifiability, no progress.
    LogicEvidence
    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

  • ErfisflatErfisflat 811 Pts
    How did dinosaurs procreate with those huge tails? Could you imagine a stegosaurus in the missionary position?
    Logic
    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

  • LogicLogic 230 Pts
    Amazing points made my Erf here, I'm not sure about them not existing, But i'm open to the idea.  I mean, The odds of the single cell arriving are 10 to the 254th power, Which is practically  impossible, The fact that this should have happened TWICE is insane.
    Erfisflat
  • EvidenceEvidence 269 Pts
    Erfisflat said:
    How did dinosaurs procreate with those huge tails? Could you imagine a stegosaurus in the missionary position?

    Lol, .. yeah, I never thought about that either!? I watched so many alien movies that none of that even mattered. Now come to think of it, how DID them squid looking aliens build
    those awesome space ships, .. far, far more advanced then ours, .. where our own human space ships could ever compete with!?
    I guess this is how they brainwashed us, like the Aliens movies, you see the ships they built? So maybe them Dinosaurs made out something like this?


    Improvised?
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  • ErfisflatErfisflat 811 Pts
    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

  • No, There is much evidence of dinosaurs existing at some point as well as physical evidence which as fossils which you are wocome o see in some museums across the world or at least the United States of America.
    Erfisflat
  • ErfisflatErfisflat 811 Pts
    No, There is much evidence of dinosaurs existing at some point as well as physical evidence which as fossils which you are wocome o see in some museums across the world or at least the United States of America.
    Next time you go to a dinosaur museum, talk to the janitor, or any truthful person that works there. It's not real, whale bones, plaster casts, not even the teeth are real. Most of them will tell you the "real" bones are locked up in the back. How did dinosaurs procreate? 
    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

  • ErfisflatErfisflat 811 Pts
    Actually look at the exhibit next time with a critical eye. You know how much a fossilized t-Rex skull weighs? Have any knowledge in physics and what it would take to prop that thing up? Cmon.
    quar
    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

  • @Erfisflat, okay I buy it...random people from every corner of the World conspired to "find" fake bones, create major museum exhibits in many large cities, publish research, get specialized degrees, etc.  All of that was done for some random purpose of tricking us that Dinos used to exist.  
    What would even be a purpose of such a massive conspiracy? 
    We cannot definitively prove some things, like Dinosaurs existing, unless we can go back in time, but common..the evidence is overwhelming here.

    @Evidence, I enjoyed the video 
  • ErfisflatErfisflat 811 Pts
    edited June 4
    @Erfisflat, okay I buy it...random people from every corner of the World conspired to "find" fake bones, create major museum exhibits in many large cities, publish research, get specialized degrees, etc.  All of that was done for some random purpose of tricking us that Dinos used to exist.  
    What would even be a purpose of such a massive conspiracy? 
    We cannot definitively prove some things, like Dinosaurs existing, unless we can go back in time, but common..the evidence is overwhelming here.

    @Evidence, I enjoyed the video 
    When you say random people, I don't think you know what that means. I've covered this. I'm not going to claim that giants didn't exist, or even giant lizards, by they certainly weren't possible as the official story tells us. Have you heard of the bone wars? What about dinosaur procreation? The whole thing is ridiculous.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bone_Wars
    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

  • @Erfisflat, that is a good point about bone wars, and surely something like that will likely lead to some level of corruption.  That said, it's not a proof that ALL fossils are fake after so much scrutiny by the scientific community.  
  • ErfisflatErfisflat 811 Pts
    edited June 4
    @islander507 archaeologists are under contract to produce results. Can't find any bones? Lose your funding. They aren't even really tested, a bone that was "found" is only compared to previously known bones. China is pumping out dinosaur bones by the hundreds.

    https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-fake-fossils-pervert-paleontology-excerpt/

    As I said, I don't doubt that there were large animals in the past, so how easy would it be to alter those fossils to favor one that was previously found and altered?
    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

  • Seeing as you believe in creation, the Bible mentions leviathans.  I could get the verses for you, but I somewhat agree with you.  Being somewhat in the bible though, I have to say they did exist.  They just didn't evolve or die off from a meteor or ice age.  Just a flood.  

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  • ErfisflatErfisflat 811 Pts
    edited June 6
    @SuperSith89

    My point is that dinosaurs didn't exist as we were told as fact. Leviathon could be used to describe any large animal, even an elephant. Are those mentioned in the Bible?  It also mentions giants, the firmament and the flat, stationary earth, you're not really speaking up about those, just sayin.
    natbarons
    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

  • natbaronsnatbarons 85 Pts
    @erfisflat , of course they believed the earth was flat back then, because they didn't have the technology to discover the real round earth. U until Columbus they believed the Earth was flat. Also, curved water is possible, there is something called gravity. Dinosaur fossils are find with special equipment in many cases there fore average people can't go out and find them especially without know how to find them. All of your points are not scientifically accurate and the same goes for the Earth being flat and diansours not exsisting. Maybe some scientific theories aren't accurate, but these are just scientific fundamentals which are basically confirmed at this time of society.
  • ErfisflatErfisflat 811 Pts
    @natbarons
    For flat earth discussions, please see the active debate, Earth is flat. You'll see I've already discussed gravity, curved water, and circumnavigation. 

    "Dinosaur fossils are find with special equipment in many cases there fore average people can't go out and find them especially without know how to find them. "

    How "scientifically accurate" of you. Please ellaborate.

    "but these are just scientific fundamentals which are basically confirmed at this time of society."

    I haven't confirmed any of it, neither have most of society. When you've found and tested some good old dinosaur bones yourself, (and not in one of those quarries, or little sand pits where they're planted) then it will be officially empirically confirmed. Or when you've been to space and seen earth as a ball, that can be empirically confirmed.
    randal
    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

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