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Space is fake

ErfisflatErfisflat 185 Points
Will we go to mars? Ha! The moon? Psh! Not even a trip to the ISS? Tell me why you think outer space is real. I'll give you a few good reasons why I think it's ludicrous.

1. Combustion is impossible without an oxygenated medium.

2. A positive pressure system is required for propulsion. Cars push off the ground, boats push off the water, and planes push off the air. You can't push off a vacuum. 

3. A positive pressure system can't exist next to a negative pressure system without a physical barrier. (Light bulbs, canned air, etc)

Oh and there is always empirical evidence. Like this ultra zoomed "star".



And "Lunar waves"



and some more "stars"


northsouthkoreathe_worldEvidence
  1. Space... is fake?8 votes
    1. They're hiding God!
      50.00%
    2. But, but, muh Star Wars!
      50.00%

Comments

  • SuperSith89SuperSith89 94 Points
    Psalm 8:34 "When I look at your heavens, the work of your fingers, the moon and the stars, which you have set in place, what is man that you are mindful of him, and the son of man that you care for him?"  The Bible mentions space, but calls it the heavens.  Different from heaven itself, mind you.  How do you explain what we see at night then?    
  • ErfisflatErfisflat 185 Points
    NASA be like: Going to space!


  • ErfisflatErfisflat 185 Points
    http://biblehub.com/genesis/9-13.htm

    What causes rainbows?
    Scientism explains it as:
    rainbow is a meteorological phenomenon that is caused by reflection, refraction and dispersion of light in water droplets resulting in a spectrum of light appearing in the sky.

    This would infer that if conditions were just right, we could produce a rainbow in our shower! Wrong. A rainbow needs a mirror, or a reflective surface like that of water to produce a rainbow inside. The light hits the medium it is produced onto from two different angles at the same time. Once, directly, then again after it is reflected. Where those two rays meet, a rainbow can be seen, provided there is a medium (rain, etc.). This is an experiment anyone can try.

    http://www.physicscentral.com/experiment/physicsathome/rainbow.cfm

    We know the sun produces the first ray of light, so where is this (bow shaped) reflective surface? 




  • FredsnephewFredsnephew 50 Points
    If Space is fake.
    Who first decided to fake it?
    Why did they decide to fake it?
    And how were they able to fake it?
  • ErfisflatErfisflat 185 Points
    @Fredsnephew

    1. Copernicus 

    2. According to the most accurate astronomer, T ycho Brahe: "“There really are not any spheres in the heavens… Those of which have been devised by the experts to save the appearances exist only in the imagination, for the purpose of enabling the mind to conceive the motion which the heavenly bodies trace in their course and, by the aid of geometry, to determine the motion numerically through the use of arithmetic.”

    3. Back then they had no way of proving it, so they just assumed it. They didn't have to fake it. NASA took over in the 50-60's and did all the faking then. About the same time all the space monster movies started hitting the big screen .(indoctrination )

  • SuperSith89SuperSith89 94 Points
    You know what, I honestly have considered your side and have been looking into it.  Problem is, I just don't see enough on your side that isn't just speculation or ideas or refusing evidence from the other side.  I'll admit, you are doing a good job, but you just can't sell it to me yet.  I just don't see enough.  

    Question:  How do you explain comets, asteroids, and meteoroids?
    melanielust
  • ErfisflatErfisflat 185 Points
    edited June 6
    @SuperSith89
    What evidence do you have for the existence of comets asteroids and meteoroids?

    northsouthkorea
  • :| @Erfisflat , how is space fake if you can see it with your very own eyes?
    Erfisflat
  • ErfisflatErfisflat 185 Points
    @northsouthkorea

    How do you know you're looking at a vast vacuum when you look up? During the day, the sky is blue, but so is water. At night the sky is black, like water...
  • SuperSith89SuperSith89 94 Points
    @Erfisflat Craters in the ground.  There have been meteor showers seen with the human eye too.  You can also see meteors shoot by and not just NASA photos.  Also, how do you explain seasons?  A sphere makes sense with a slight tilt, but a flat earth doesn't fit.  Also, why does each side have night and day differently?  On your idea, the sun would light all of it and overpower the light given off of the moon's reflection.  I know that is more flat earth but these two go hand in hand.  
  • ErfisflatErfisflat 185 Points
    edited June 7
    You know what, I honestly have considered your side and have been looking into it.  Problem is, I just don't see enough on your side that isn't just speculation or ideas or refusing evidence from the other side.  I'll admit, you are doing a good job, but you just can't sell it to me yet.  I just don't see enough.  

    Question:  How do you explain comets, asteroids, and meteoroids?
    I didn't want to leave you hanging, (comets)yes, we see lights in the sky, they are supposedly on orbital paths around our sun like this.


    Does it seem logical that a small object like a comet takes the huge path outside of our so called solar system, and still find it's way back in a predictable manner? Keep in mind that not only is the sun moving around the galaxy at 45,000 miles per hour, and the entire galaxy is rocketing through the universe at 1.3 million miles per hour, and the sun doesn't have a tail.
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  • SuperSith89SuperSith89 94 Points
    @Erfisflat Due to gravity, yes.  Gravity is a powerful force and the speed really is irrelevant to it coming back since it has a speed faster.  
  • ErfisflatErfisflat 185 Points
    @SuperSith89

    Let's take a look at a "crater."



    Where is the huge rock that caused this? Did it disintegrate?

    Why don't we see craters that look like they were hit at an angle, like we see in meteor showers. One only need a marble and sand to see this crater was hit at a 90 degree angle from above or below. For that matter, we only see meteors coming down, never up from the horizon as they should on a ball earth

    It's more likely this was an explosion from within the earth, or a sinkhole, since a crater this big would've left a rock or some very large chunks of meteors.

    Which leads me to showers. It's likely that something,  or someone has damaged the dome.


    When the sun is at a certain place in the firmament, it causes a reaction, similar to elves and sprites.










    Very good empirical evidence for the firmament in there. Which sort of reminds me of this.



    The done, or part of it, may consist of crystal of some sort, and meteors may be parts of it, possibly colliding with itself, or reacting to the air pressure. I'm sure if I could get up there to test it, I'd have a better idea.

    Seasons can be actually better explained in the flat earth model. In the northern hemi"sphere", north gets it's summer when the sun is on a tighter circuit around the north pole. In the globe model, the sun is supposedly at it's furthest point away from the sun in it's orbit.

    This has already been proven and comically put on nearly every globe, probably as an inside joke.



    The sun analemma shows a wider base for the Sun's yearly path, which makes no sense on a globe, yet perfect sense on a circular plane.

    "Also, why does each side have night and day differently? "

    I think I've gone over this in my debate here, Earth is flat. Once more quickly. The sun is small and close. It sheds its light locally, like this.


    Alternatively, (for those big ones in Russia recently ) there have been strange containers found all over, seemingly burned. They could be military "meteors" thrown from planes that didn't quite burn up.


    And then there project bluebeam, but that's another long story.
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  • melanielustmelanielust 204 Points
    This is getting a little ridiculous. There's just no point in arguing with confirmed facts. Why would anyone want to invent all of this up?

    To prove space is real literally all you have to do is take a telescope into your backyard on a clear night, find out online where the planets are, and look for one. You can get pretty good views of many planets. I'm an amateur astronomer. I do this every single night. There's more than just planets, too. With a larger telescope, or by going to an observatory, you can VERY clearly see nebulae with your own eyes. It's not that hard to understand. And if you're religious, who's not to say that God created all of the beautiful cosmos?

  • ErfisflatErfisflat 185 Points
    @melanielust

    You honestly believe those points of light in the sky are millions and billions of miles away, just because that's what you're told? 
  • melanielustmelanielust 204 Points
    @Erfisflat Because it's mathematically provable.
  • ErfisflatErfisflat 185 Points
    @melanielust

    Based on false axioms like the shape of the earth, and wrong distances to other celestial bodies...
  • ErfisflatErfisflat 185 Points
    @melanielust

    I've given logical and scientifically sound conclusive evidence here that contradicts an infinite space vacuum, can you address that? Why is there no parallax in the stars?
  • melanielustmelanielust 204 Points
    @Erfisflat there IS parallax in the stars! It's one of the most famous stellar phenomena. It's why constellations have shapes!

    http://abyss.uoregon.edu/~js/glossary/parallax.html
  • ErfisflatErfisflat 185 Points
    @melanielust

    Parallax in the stars means, to me, that the shapes of the constellations would change if they were different distances from the earth. Similar to riding a train and seeing the poles, which are closer, move faster, and the mountain, which is further away, move slower. The fact that constellations have remained the same over the course of all observable history means there is no parallax. Here, you'll see the trees closest to the tracks move faster in relation to the further trees. This parallax is not empirically observed in the stars.


  • ErfisflatErfisflat 185 Points
    @melanielust
    Way to dodge those points though!
    Evidence
  • melanielustmelanielust 204 Points
    @Erfisflat Constellations HAVE changed over the course of all observable history. Another very common fact in the astronomy community.

    https://www.wired.com/2015/03/gifs-show-constellations-transforming-150000-years/
  • ErfisflatErfisflat 185 Points
    Wow, 150,000 years, huh? No way to falsify that absurd claim. I said observable history.
  • ErfisflatErfisflat 185 Points
    @melanielust

    Most of the ludicrous claims that you believe are made only involving macroscopic scales that no one has, or ever will be able to measure. Parallax should be observable daily. Especially since scientism claims the earth is moving at over 800 miles per second through an imaginary vacuum. Anything other than appeals to authority and pseudoscience to support space? Continuing to dodge my points?
    Evidence
  • ErfisflatErfisflat 185 Points
    @melanielust

    I personally affixed a pipe to a foundation on my home, aligned with Sirius and Marked the date and time. The past two years I've checked, and like I thought, saw the same star through the pipe. Impossible in the heliocentric model.
    the_worldEvidence
  • the_worldthe_world 31 Points
    I agree with @erfisflat , either scienctits have many theories such as the heliocentric model incorrect or space is just fake.
    Erfisflat
  • melanielustmelanielust 204 Points
    @erisflat ? I'm not dodging your points, I'm proving them wrong. We can't see parallax daily despite the earth's fast movement because space is simply so large. It's one of the many pieces of evidence for how far away stars are. If we were able to observe parallax daily, that would mean the rest of those stars would be moving at near impossible speeds.

    If you're looking for observable parallax, look at the records of the Chinese and Arabs from around 2000 years ago, where they recorded constellations in the same area as they are today, but appeared slightly different from today. Proxima centauri, the nearest star to earth besides the sun, has exhibited some very clear, measurable parallax over time. See here:
    http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/Astro/para.html

    And to go back to my earlier point...just what is the point of denying all this? Why use your energy to go directly against all the scientific evidence that has ever been compiled. I really don't mean to be rude, I'm just trying to understand.
  • ErfisflatErfisflat 185 Points
    @melanielust

    "If we were able to observe parallax daily, that would mean the rest of those stars would be moving at near impossible speeds."

    What exactly do you consider "impossible speeds"? I mean, over a million miles doesn't seem impossible?  Are you aware of the experiments "Airey's Failure", "The Michelson-Morley and Sagnac Experiments", which all the proved that the earth was not in motion?

    "nearest star to earth besides the sun, has exhibited some very clear, measurable parallax over time."

    Again with the appeals to authority. Give me some verifiable science, not pseudoscientific claims from authority. The same university would lose it's licence if they even looked at evidence contrary to popular scientific consensus. I can draw a chart of myself with oversized genetalia, i could even throw in some mathematical figures and measurements, but that doesn't prove anything, ask my wife.

    "just what is the point of denying all this? "

    What is the point in defending it? You've scoured the internet almost all your life and you find something real, and you don't think it's worthy of discussions? This is proof of A Creator! Why wouldn't I discuss it? I was a devout atheist for years, a skeptic in nature, with a scientific mind. I have every space movie from the mid 80's up on my hard drive. All episodes of "cosmos", "the universe" etc. I thought I was enlightened looking at that bullocks. I hope I'm wrong, all atheists who have denounced God should, because if the earth is flat, we're in some deep sh!t. Just sayin.


    Evidence
  • EvidenceEvidence 59 Points
    Awesome, .. all we have to do now is figure out which God/gods created this earth and the heaven with the stars, .. from tens of thousands of gods out there, which includes Father Time and Mother Nature with their kid Gravity as in Big Bang-Evolution .. right?
    OK, so Erfisflat proved with empirical evidence that the Big bang evolution gods are out, it's all bs. so now which god is next to debunk?

    Odin and his son Thor?

    Maybe Gaea? Here is some info on Gaea, and the universe is also mentioned here;
    http://www.ancient-origins.net/human-origins-folklore/greek-mythology-and-human-origins-0064

    Or, is it the God mentioned in the Bible? But again, which ones, since the Christians who claim authority over the Bible claim there are at least three, and they're all deities, or deified men, angels or idols to godhood, and the others are similar, like a god with a name of their religion, or the Day that the religion worships on as God!?

    But none of these Christian Religion gods can be right because the Bible God hates them fake deities, spirits who reside in the supernatural realm, and people who call upon them. Or making a name as God, or a Day as God. So God can't be someone He is against, right?
    So which God created the Heavens and the Earth and us man?

    I think I'll start a New Topic on that? I mean we now know someone created all this, and had to be a God, but who, .. which One??
  • ErfisflatErfisflat 185 Points
    @Evidence
    I don't know, but we should probably figure that out soon. Hopefully, if the scientific community gets it's head out of it's arse, we can figure it out.
  • EvidenceEvidence 59 Points
    Erfisflat said:
    @Evidence
    I don't know, but we should probably figure that out soon. Hopefully, if the scientific community gets it's head out of it's arse, we can figure it out.

    Yes, they will have to get back to basics, so first they'll have to drop all this Quantum-universe garbage and return to reality, to things we can observe. I would highly suggest (in the case of finding God) that we start with comprehending the difference between the mind and the brain.
    Erfisflat
  • love2debatelove2debate 113 Points
    So if NASA is corrupt and staged space, what about Elon Musk?  Why is Jeff BEzos pouring all that money into space exploration?
    not sure we have a reason for this conspiracy theory to hold up 
    melanielust
  • ErfisflatErfisflat 185 Points
    So if NASA is corrupt and staged space, what about Elon Musk?  Why is Jeff BEzos pouring all that money into space exploration?
    not sure we have a reason for this conspiracy theory to hold up 
    Musk is an actor, just like Neil deGrasse Tyson and Bill Nye. SpaceX works for NASA. They've been promising a little space for 4 or 5 years now, empty promises. They make money from long term investments. When I can buy a ticket and verify space is real, holla back. 
  • ale5ale5 89 PointsPremium Member
    Premium Member
    @Erfisflat, LOL, Musk is an actor? Is Tesla a staged car? Are solar roofs made of fake plastic?
  • ale5ale5 89 PointsPremium Member
    Premium Member
    @Erfisflat, the fact that he is an actor is one of his many talents.  You are trying to say that he staged space travel and his other businesses?
  • ErfisflatErfisflat 185 Points
    ale5 said:
    @Erfisflat, the fact that he is an actor is one of his many talents.  You are trying to say that he staged space travel and his other businesses?
    I'm saying, or rather I'm proving, that space is fake. A couple of guys promising to send us to space doesn't change that. See above for irrefutable points.
  • agsragsr 353 PointsPremium Member
    Premium Member
    I was looking at  the sky last night enjoying the stars and then remembered this debate that @Erfisflat thinks it's all fake.
     :) 
    melanielust
  • ErfisflatErfisflat 185 Points
    @agsr

    I don't think it's fake, but I think it's not what we've been told. 

  • ErfisflatErfisflat 185 Points
    How did the astronauts get from the command module to the lunar module? Did they go through the engine?
  • PowerPikachu21PowerPikachu21 60 Points
    edited June 11
    I've heard common flat earth arguments, like NASA is a fraud, we never went to the Moon... I haven't heard of anyone dismissing outer space altogether, though. So how high does the sky go? Or does this planet not have an atmosphere?
  • ErfisflatErfisflat 185 Points
    I've heard common flat earth arguments, like NASA is a fraud, we never went to the Moon... I haven't heard of anyone dismissing outer space altogether, though. So how high does the sky go? Or does this planet not have an atmosphere?
    A well-researched guess would be 100km. AKA the "ionosphere " this dome is the real reason we have propagation and the origin of the Chicken Little stories. It's depicted in ancient cultures: Mayan


    Egyptian  (notice the stars on the lady's body)


    Among others. It's likely that it was well known about up until the early 1900s this drawing was from 1888


    And Tesla had mentioned it:
    "Though free to think and act, we are held together, like the stars in the firmament, with ties inseparable. These ties cannot be seen, but we can feel them. – The Problem of Increasing Human Energy in Century Illustrated Magazine (June 1900)"

  • ErfisflatErfisflat 185 Points
    @evidence found a good video of the firmament! 


  • ErfisflatErfisflat 185 Points
    With technology advancing more and more everyday, NASA has abandoned the vomit comet to fake feeds from the ISS. Virtual reality is making it easier to fake zero-g, and pretty soon, eagle eyed skeptics won't be able to spot the harnesses and glitches. Unless your looking at it now, you may never know. It's an important time in history,  which is why I'm doing this, to wake you from your slumber before it's too late. Augmented virtual reality is here.



    Evidence
  • ErfisflatErfisflat 185 Points
    edited June 16
    Telemetrics virtual reality sources:
    http://www.telemetricsinc.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=39:splashmedia-&itemid=54

    http://www.telemetricsinc.com/case-studies/johnson-space-center

    http://www.spaceref.com/news/viewsr.html?pid=42888

    NASA's VR camera malfunction shows guy in the background with his wire harness unsuccessfully edited out, hand going through a hat, and VR object camera malfunction causes guy on the left to handle invisible object.

  • EvidenceEvidence 59 Points
    @Erfisflat ; With technology advancing more and more everyday, NASA has abandoned the vomit comet to fake feeds from the ISS. Virtual reality is making it easier to fake zero-g, and pretty soon, eagle eyed skeptics won't be able to spot the harnesses and glitches. Unless your looking at it now, you may never know. It's an important time in history,  which is why I'm doing this, to wake you from your slumber before it's too late. Augmented virtual reality is here.

    2 Corinthians 4 (whole chapter)

    The videos you've shown here my friend is a vision into how God created us:

    .. 16 Therefore we do not lose heart. Even though our outward man is perishing, yet the inward man is being renewed day by day. 17 For our light affliction, which is but for a moment, is working for us a far more exceeding and eternal weight of glory, 18 while we do not look at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen. For the things which are seen are temporary, but the things which are not seen are eternal.

    God is Infinite and Eternal, real.
    His creation is made up, just like the video games we make.
    The difference is that God gave of Himself into the game character Adam that he created (Genesis 2:7), so instead of controlling the game-character like we do through a wire or remote, Adam becomes an individual with his own free will.

    So first, God created similar to our computer language whom He called; "the Word" (funny how we have the 'Microsoft Word' program, right?)
    15 He (the Word) is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.
    16 For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him.

    So you see, all creation, what we call reality and existence, is not real, only God is real, and we are of God, in other words, the spirit in our body is God;

    Psalm 82:
    5 They do not know, nor do they understand;
    They walk about in darkness;
    All the foundations of the earth are unstable
    6 I said, “You are gods,
    And all of you are children of the Most High.
    7 But you shall die like men,
    And fall like one of the princes.”

    Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your law, ‘I said, “You are gods”’?

    .. because the Spirit/breath of God is what gives this created body life.

    1 Corinthians 15:39  All flesh is not the same flesh, but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of animals, another of fish, and another of birds.

    40 There are also celestial bodies and terrestrial bodies; but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another. 41 There is one glory of the sun, another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars; for one star differs from another star in glory.

    42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. The body is sown in corruption, it is raised in incorruption. 43 It is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory. It is sown in weakness, it is raised in power. 44 It is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. 45 And so it is written, “The first man Adam became a living being.” The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.


    So just like in our computer gaming world where we can pick different, or upgraded bodies, God (the Almighty Creator/Programmer) will give us New upgraded bodies that will not be subject to the elements, .. wear out and die, but with that we shall live forever.

    I mean to have come to this age/stage in History where we can now better understand both our Infinite and Eternal Creator, AND how He created everything, .. to me is far, far more precious than all this future V.R. and A.I. they are trying to amuse us by. It's oine thing to learn from this, but another to be deceived by it.

    Just think, a New body in a New Heaven VS. A.I. in a Virtual Reality Game that disappears as soon as the power goes out!
    Erfisflat
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