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  • Reasons for your siding regarding the Israely and Palestine/Hamas Conflict?

    @Factfinder

    What I have now noticed here and on other threads are two extreme sides of the same coin. On the one hand we got a party that makes vile and atrocious comments about Jews. On other hand we got another party that makes vile and atrocious comments about Arabs and Muslims. 

    I commend you for being the most civil and reasonable on this thread.
    Factfinder
  • Reasons for your siding regarding the Israely and Palestine/Hamas Conflict?

    @Bogan

    I have in no way condemned Israel. Acknowledging the reality of the unconventional dynamics of this war has to be talked about openly if we are ever going to get rid of groups like Hamas. Or suppress the people supporting them who are profiteering from the situation. Extreme positions do not help anything. That said I have always maintained Israel is was the one attacked and Hamas was the aggressor. And before Hamas other terrorist groups, before them the nations surrounding them including Palestinian Arabs who settled along her borders. With few exceptions has Palestine ever sighted with Israel.

    So you will have to show me where I said Israel is the aggressor. 
    ZeusAres42
  • Is there ever a way to change the mindset of someone who doesn't want to learn?

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  • Reasons for your siding regarding the Israely and Palestine/Hamas Conflict?

    @Factfinder

    In all fairness @Joseph is actually addressing things I said and has the decency to quote me whereby other people can decide for themselves if any misrepresntation is present or not, unlike @Bogan

    I really don't know what is so hard to understand by this:

    "Hamas is a terrorist organzation as also stated internationally and must be dealth with accordingly. Israel has commited actions that are in violation of international law." 

    @Bogan I will do my best now to explain this to you in as simple terms as possible:

    Imagine you have two groups who are not getting along because they both want the same thing but can't agree on how to share it or who it belongs to. One group, called Hamas, has done things that many people and countries around the world think are very bad, like not playing fair or safe, which has led these people and countries to call them a "bad group." Because of this, these people and countries think this group needs to be stopped or taught to play nicely.

    The other group, called Israel, has also done things that some people and countries think are not okay, like not following the rules of a big, important rulebook that everyone is supposed to play by.

    So, both groups have done things that others think are wrong, and people are trying to figure out how to make them get along or at least not hurt each other. Comprende? 

    @Factfinder

    Maybe you could help me out with @Bogan because I don't know how to make this any more simpler. I will not be surprised if he still interprets this to mean that I am rooting for a terrorist organization. What I have actually wrote above is an exlanation that is designed for 5 year olds but I am guessing that is not going to make much of a difference. 

    At least @Joseph is not outright lying about what I have said. Not that I have yet noticed anyway. I have tried to be nice with Bogan here as I do feel a bit guilty of my behaviour when he first entered into this site a year or so back; I was bit of A-whole then in how I could and should have engaged in civil discourse at that time regarding that debate. However, my patience now is wearing thin.

    FactfinderJoeseph
  • Reasons for your siding regarding the Israely and Palestine/Hamas Conflict?

    @Factfinder

    I felt I needed to get more background info on this from both sides as much as possible before trying to form an objective perspective as much as possible. 
    Factfinder
  • Reasons for your siding regarding the Israely and Palestine/Hamas Conflict?

    @Joeseph


    The charge of genocide is borne out by the evidence.Last night the spokesman for the IDF said they are not stopping until ever last one of Hamas are eradicated how do you think they're going to go about that?

    genocide
    noun
    1. the deliberate killing of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group.


      Israel is engaged in a campaign of genocide.

    That does not constitute direct evidence of genocide. A dictionary definition of what genocide is, and the supposed opinions of a spokesman from the IDF regarding an officially recognized terrorist group by a plethora of civilized countries, including Ireland, will not suffice.



    "DFA says claims Ireland refused to label Hamas terrorist group 'categorically false'





    09/10/2023 | 16:03 PM  JAMES COX

    The Department of Foreign Affairs has said stories about Ireland refusing to label Hamas a terrorist group are "categorically false".

    Some Israeli media claimed Ireland, Denmark and Luxembourg took exception to using that phrase in an EU response. However, the Department has clarified and said that is not true.Hamas is listed as a terror organisation by the EU, as was agreed unanimously by Member States.In a statement, the Department of Foreign Affairs said: "In response to queries, DFA confirms it is categorically false that Ireland refused to agree a reference to Hamas as a terrorist organisation in the EU statement in response to attacks in Israel. Hamas is listed by the EU as a terrorist organisation, unanimously agreed by all MSs."In response to queries, DFA confirms it is categorically false that Ireland refused to agree a reference to Hamas as a terrorist organisation in the EU statement in response to attacks in Israel. Hamas is listed by the EU as a terrorist organisation, unanimously agreed by all MSs— Irish Foreign Ministry (@dfatirl) ;October 9, 2023

    Irish-Israeli citizen Kim Damti was attending a music festival near the Gaza border when gunmen arrived at the site, and has been missing since the Hamas attack.

    The 22-year-old's mother has spoken of her heartbreak as she waits for news about her daughter.

    In an interview with ABC News, her mother Jennifer Damti, originally from Portlaoise, said her daughter had phoned them shortly after.

    “Kim didn’t realise there was like seven or eight Toyota vans full of terrorists and they just shot everywhere,” she said.

    “They just shot them, slaughtered them like ducks, and that’s the reason I’m here, ’cause I want the world to condemn this behaviour.

    “I didn’t bring my children up to hate anybody.

    “You can’t sleep. All I can think about is where she is, if she’s suffering, if she’s still alive. I just want her back,” she said.

    “So many other mothers here today. I’m not the only one. Everybody is missing somebody.”"


    https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/dfa-says-claims-ireland-refused-to-label-hamas-terrorist-group-categorically-false-1536841.html


    "Micheál Martin meets with Israeli PM Benjamin Netanyahu in Jerusalem last month.
    ISRAEL AND PALESTINE

    Irish Government says claim it refused to call Hamas a 'terror organisation' is false


    Oct 9th 2023, 4:51 PM

    IRELAND’S DEPARTMENT OF Foreign Affairs has said it is untrue that the Irish state refused to support the categorisation of Hamas as a “terrorist organisation” in the EU’s initial statement on the war between Israel and Hamas. 


    A source has told The Journal that in reality, Ireland had called for a statement that asked for a de-escalation of hostilities on both sides. 


    European news site i24NEWS yesterday claimed that the EU wanted to issue a “harsher statement” on the war, but Luxembourg, Ireland and Denmark refused to call Hamas a terror organisation in the statement. 


    The tweet by i24NEWS containing the claim has been viewed 1.4 million times. 


    The Irish Foreign Minister released a statement today clarifying that it is “categorically false that Ireland refused to agree a reference to Hamas as a terrorist organisation in the EU statement in response to attacks in Israel.”

    “Hamas is listed by the EU as a terrorist organisation, unanimously agreed by all [member states],” the statement added. 

    The Danish Ministry of Foreign Affairs has similarly dismissed the claim. 

    “[Denmark] firmly rejects the false information that Denmark should have objected to qualifying Hamas a terrorist organisation in negotiating an EU declaration. Denmark would never do that. Hamas is listed a terror organisation by the EU and Denmark has on several occasions referred to Hamas as such,” it said. 

    Luxembourg has also denied the claims. 

    The statement released yesterday said that the EU “condemns in the strongest possible terms the multiple and indiscriminate attacks across Israel by Hamas and deeply deplores the loss of lives.

    “The EU calls for an immediate cessation of these senseless attacks and violence, which will only further increase tensions on the ground and seriously undermine Palestinian people’s aspirations for peace. 

    “The EU stands in solidarity with Israel which has the right to defend itself in line with international law, in the face of such violent and indiscriminate attacks.

    “The EU recalls the importance of working towards a lasting and sustainable peace through reinvigorated efforts in the Middle East Peace Process.”

    Over 1,200 people have been killed in violence in Israel and Gaza in the worst outbreak of violence seen in the region since 2014. 

    At least 700 people were killed in southern Israel when Hamas militants stormed out of Gaza on Saturday and attack Israeli settlements.

    In Gaza, the health ministry in the Palestinian enclave said that “560 people were killed and another 2,900 injured” in Israeli strikes.

    Following two days of retaliatory air strikes, Israeli Defence Minister has ordered a “complete siege” on the Gaza Strip."


    https://www.thejournal.ie/ireland-israel-palestine-6190818-Oct2023/#:~:text=organisation' is false-,Irish Government says claim it refused to,a 'terror organisation' is false&text=IRELAND'S DEPARTMENT OF Foreign Affairs,war between Israel and Hamas.

    Factfinder
  • Reasons for your siding regarding the Israely and Palestine/Hamas Conflict?

    To ZuesAries42.

    When allied armies marched into Germany, nobody said that we should stop and seek peace with Hitler because allied and axis civilians were dying in their thousands every day.    The only objective was to totally defeat the Nazi regime and either kill them all or capture them to bring them to justice.     I am at a loss to understand how you think it was okay for allies to do it to Germany, but not okay for the Israelis to do exactly the same thing.

    If Hitler had promised that Germany would keep attacking other countries to gain lebenstraum for the German people, would you condemn the allies for finishing the job of exterminating the Nazis?
    FactfinderZeusAres42Joeseph
  • Reasons for your siding regarding the Israely and Palestine/Hamas Conflict?

    jack said:

    Reasons for your siding regarding the Israely and Palestine/Hamas Conflict?

    Hello Z:

    I'd cite a reason if I could, but a straw man can't be answered..  A straw man, by the way, is when you mistakenly cite a position and then ask people to comment on your mistake as though it wasn't a mistake..  

    But, it is a mistake. 

    From MY perspective, there ISN'T a Palestine/Hamas conflict.  There's an Israeli/Hamas conflict, and the Palestinians are in the way.

    excon
    High Jack,

    Of course you have to pretend Hamas doesn't govern the Palestinians to believe in that delusion. 

    I posted the question as "Israeli and Palestine/Hamas conflict?" as also that is the region where this conflict going. I could have asked "Reasons for your siding regarding the Israely, Hamas/Ukrain conflict?" but from my perspective such as question doesn't really make any sense. 
    Factfinder
  • What Are Your Reasons For Supporting Hamas - A $cumbag Terrorist Organization?

    @Joeseph ;My comment was addressed to Bogan you prize clown

    What are you talking about. You have winned about and to every one on this site havent you? Now how about you stop your winning and winging your self for a change?

    Factfinder
  • What Are Your Reasons For Supporting Hamas - A $cumbag Terrorist Organization?

    @Joeseph ;Stop whining you big child grow a pair.

    me wining? And coming from some one who just posted a hole page of wining about the Yids.

    At least my so called wining as you call it is constructive. Im warning Kornhole a chance to correct him self before he looses it and goes down hill and out the back door like last time. Just like my warnings to another member which he took as being wining but he just got worse and got kicked off. Some times people have to make an effort and listen instead of spouting off there fowl moths and spining out of control.

    Its like the tall poppy sindrome being the sites watch dog by default but at least I make an effort to keep a way bad ace trolls who come on here and want to wreck havoc. We saw what happened with one site that stopped after it got infected with so much spam and scams and foul mouth trolls. People like Kornhole tried it here before. He was one of the worst. But then came back and moderated him self but now you can see that he has stopped his medication again and needs to whatch out. At least he made an effort unlike Dee and I wont mention his name here. But he desended in to such a sea of nastiness and sheer stupid ity that every one started messaging each other and the site and he got kicked off. Nits like him totally never learn and never want to learn.

    There. did you enjoy that bit of wining?

    Factfinder

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