Best I can tell Just_sayin complained about Zeus and Jules using ai to lay out some facts behind the big bang theory. You and Zeus made light of the situation. Just_sayin then used ai to make the same points he always does, science doesn't know everything, can't explain everything, as a point itself suggesting ai doesn't support the theory.... and somehow by Just's thinking making fun of his original complaints has become a strawman. I think. But I'm not all together sure on this one either.MayCaesar said:I am lost here. What are you guys debating? I see constant references to me, but I do not see much connection between my original comment and what is happening here...
I thought about this some more and I believe we need to agree on a standard to which a view crosses the threshold of extremism. Furthermore say we put left vs right ideologies on sphere respective of their positions. Then move those views in response to their extreme natures would both sides really move to the top of the sphere symbolizing they both become the same? I'm not so sure because there are fundamental differences between liberalism and conservatism that would motivate the far left to be more accepting of liberalism than it would be of conservatism.ZeusAres42 said:its both . its extremism after all.Factfinder said:@ZeusAres42
That was good. LOL The one I would challenge is this one:I think the far left manual would read "Be radically skeptical of conservatism"
- Be radically skeptical of liberalism.
LEFT WING | RIGHT WING |
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A liberal approach to politics | Conservative Approach to Politics |
Society benefits from an expanded role of Government | Society gets negatively affected when there is an expanded role of government |
Economic equality can be ensured when there are higher taxes on the wealthy and the government spends heavily on social welfare programs | Economic Equality is utopic and government intervention, catastrophic. Social welfare programs should be discouraged and markets should regulate themselves |
Emphasizes progressive and reformist policies | Emphasizes Traditional and conservative policies |
Left-wing nationalism aligns with principles of social equality, the sovereignty of the people, and the right to self-determination. It often forms strong connections with movements focused on achieving national liberation. | Right-wing nationalism is characterized by Romantic Nationalism, which asserts that a state’s legitimacy is derived from the culture it governs. This culture includes elements such as language, race, and customs that have organically evolved within that particular cultural context. |
Have secular tendencies and believe that the state and church should be separate from each other | Have religious inclinations, and most right-wing parties believe that religion should play some role in the running of the government |
Champion egalitarian ideals | Believe that the rights of ordinary people (the ones who are not necessarily in the limelight) are often ignored |
Lenient Immigration Laws because America should be a welcoming country for all | Stricter and more strict Immigration Laws because America needs to protect itself before protecting others. |
The government’s job to regulate the economy and fix social issues | Not the government’s job to regulate markets. Social Issues should be fixed by individuals. |
Imagine you have two groups who are not getting along because they both want the same thing but can't agree on how to share it or who it belongs to. One group, called Hamas, has done things that many people and countries around the world think are very bad, like not playing fair or safe, which has led these people and countries to call them a "bad group." Because of this, these people and countries think this group needs to be stopped or taught to play nicely.
The other group, called Israel, has also done things that some people and countries think are not okay, like not following the rules of a big, important rulebook that everyone is supposed to play by.
So, both groups have done things that others think are wrong, and people are trying to figure out how to make them get along or at least not hurt each other. Comprende?
Maybe you could help me out with @Bogan because I don't know how to make this any more simpler. I will not be surprised if he still interprets this to mean that I am rooting for a terrorist organization. What I have actually wrote above is an exlanation that is designed for 5 year olds but I am guessing that is not going to make much of a difference.
At least @Joseph is not outright lying about what I have said. Not that I have yet noticed anyway. I have tried to be nice with Bogan here as I do feel a bit guilty of my behaviour when he first entered into this site a year or so back; I was bit of A-whole then in how I could and should have engaged in civil discourse at that time regarding that debate. However, my patience now is wearing thin.