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lets say we invented a specific computer system that holds millions of story books.  now what you do is select a book and choose which character you will be in the book. Then you hook up to the machine.,Now you actually become the character in the story, living the life in the book.You see out of his eyes, feel the emotions, hardships, pleasures, the weather; in other words, you are now him. he will not know any different, he will not know and you will not know you are hooked up to the machine. You as the character will follow the story line completely because the story is pre-written, it is ordained. You can live years while spending only a couple hours hooked up. If the character dies, you simply return to the real world, retaining all the memories. However, until the time limit is up, or the book ends, you do not know that you are the person at the machine. you will simply be living a new life. So would you go for this, why and what would be the first book you choose. I would definitely do it, but me hesitant about what book to use first. maybe start out easy. robison crusoe perhaps.



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  • just_sayinjust_sayin 1299 Pts   -  
    @maxx
    It sounds like just a long movie where the boring parts have not been cut out.  So I might try it for the novelty, but it doesn't sound like something I would regularly do.

    The idea that we are in a simulation has been a discussion for some times.  I've seen odds as high as 25 - 50 percent.  In fact, I'm linking to a Scientific American article that puts the odds near 50%.

    Do We Live in a Simulation? Chances Are about 50–50
  • maxxmaxx 1186 Pts   -  
    Actually, considering AI, and virtual reality, my idea lies in the realm of possibility one of these days
     . @just_sayin
  • BarnardotBarnardot 692 Pts   -  
    @maxx I would definitely go for the Bible because just about every single thing that you could possibly dream up plus more is in there. And of coarse I would play the part of God because I can do every effing thing I want and I know that I am not going to come to a sticky ending even though all the other characters will. Wow I just can't wait to do the Sodom and Gomora story.
  • jackjack 676 Pts   -  
    maxx said:

    Then you hook up to the machine., Now you actually become the character in the story, living the life in the book.
    Hello m:

    I'd be Superman..  Why??  Uhh, because he FLIES, never dies, and gets all the girls. 

    excon
  • MayCaesarMayCaesar 6678 Pts   -  
    Homer's Odyssey is the first book that comes to my mind. The guy's life was unbelievable, full of wild adventures, encounters with unusual creatures - and the guy apparently was incredibly fit and outlandishly smart. It would be like playing life on god mode, in a much more fascinating world than the one we live in. As a side benefit, I would become fluent in Homeric Greek.
  • maxxmaxx 1186 Pts   -   edited July 31
    good choice. there are so many books to choose from. i fail to see why such a system can not be implemented considering the technology we have today. I can hardly conceive the psychological changes in a person by living so many lives and retaining the memories of it. Then there are those in prison who may choose or be sentenced to live lives that show a better view of living and changes in a person; such as a Christmas carol; and many more. perhaps the mentally ill, or those considered insane could be helped or cured by such a system.@MayCaesar
  • BarnardotBarnardot 692 Pts   -  
    @maxx ;good choice. there are so many books to choose from

    I reckon you could go for a fiction book called The Benefits of Garlic. 

    You look like a grate big clove with legs and run down the street saying Hay I’m beneficial and I have heeling properties. 

    Then the village folk yell back. Hay get lost loser you stink.

  • maxxmaxx 1186 Pts   -  
    Too bad survival of the fittest doesn't apply much any more
     . You would have been gone long ago
     @Barnardot
    Barnardot
  • MayCaesarMayCaesar 6678 Pts   -  

    I think the technology is so far away from what you are suggesting, that we cannot even begin to speculate when it becomes possible for something like this to exist. We have no idea what generates consciousness and how it can be controlled, how the memories are stored exactly and how they can be manipulated without causing massive damage to the subject's cognitive ability, how to design a safe direct interface between the human brain and machines, how to generate the experiences with the real life level of fidelity... I would go as far as to say that such technology is likely to never exist. Our brains are already pushing the limits of the information processing density, and generating an entire virtual world that will be perceived as indistinguishable from the real world might simply be physically impossible.

    I can see something more basic become available relatively soon though. One could be immersed in a generated world like World of Warcraft, but deprived of their memories temporarily and feel like they are really the video game character. It will not be the same quality of experience as living as an actual human in an alternative Universe would, but it might be good enough that many humans will prefer it to the real world.
  • FredsnephewFredsnephew 453 Pts   -  
    Argument Topic: Hmmmmmmmmmmm

    @maxx

    See out of his, her or it's eyes.
  • maxxmaxx 1186 Pts   -  
    i am sure you are correct; perhaps in the far future. It is too bad, for the process would benefit people in many ways. Normal people could use it for pleasure, or gain new insights, boost intelligence. Jail inmates could be sentenced to lead lives of victims to understand first hand what it is like. Those who are clinically depressed could lead lives of people who are happy; thus retaining those memories. Or perhaps we could dwell in the lives of animals; gaining a new perspective of what it is like to be one. @MayCaesar
  • BarnardotBarnardot 692 Pts   -  
    @MayCaesar ;I think the technology is so far away from what you are suggesting, that we cannot even begin to speculate when it becomes possible for something like this to exist. We have no idea what generates consciousness and how it can be controlled, how the memories are stored exactly and how they can be manipulated without causing massive damage to the subject's cognitive ability, how to design a safe direct interface between the human brain and machines, how to generate the experiences with the real life level of fidelity... I would go as far as to say that such technology is likely to never exist.

    I think you will find that the technology is all ready here and that engineers are on the cups of making a brain far more powerful and capable than a human brain. So so far as being able to simulate an other character I think that is a no brainer and in fact you can go down your High street and buy yourself a pair of reality goggles. The rest of it including all our other senntses is also a no brainer so scientists will have the hole experience available in only a few years time.

  • maxxmaxx 1186 Pts   -  
    That is not the same at all. read the OP. virtual reality is nothing more than a glorified way of watching tv. Understand a post before you comment on it. @Barnardot
  • BarnardotBarnardot 692 Pts   -  
    @maxx ;virtual reality is nothing more than a glorified way of watching tv.

    Well thats your blinkered uneducated and unresearched observation of virtual reality.

    If you do your research on real scientific sites that dont allude to dum things such as any thing natural is grate then you will see that technology has developed at an amazing acceleration to the point in just a few years time we can actually live in a stimulation with out having to philosophize or dream a bout it. Thats the relevance of what I am pointing out so you should put a way all those dum comics and stop visiting those airy fairy garlic sites and actually see what is happening in the reel world.

  • maxxmaxx 1186 Pts   -   edited August 2
    when you learn to spell; come back and see me. go around saying others are not educated. by the way, there is no such word as uneducated.. lord, why are you on a debate site for?  with virtual reality, you are not the character; you are watching the character. My post suggest that the system i have in mind is where you are the character in the book; you live the life of him, and you do not know that the actual "you" is hooked up to a machine. In other words, you are actually living the life of the person in the book one selects. why do you not understand the post? @Barnardot
  • BarnardotBarnardot 692 Pts   -  
    @maxx ;why do you not understand the post?

    And oh gee yes I confess I got it all totally 100 zillion per cent wrong. Yes dummy me I got confused with those big Samsung specs that you wear. 

    Okay now I've got it. So this is the same thing right but instead of wearing the specs your hooked up to this machine right and they inject you with this purple flouro liquid and your body bulges and your vains almost pop out of your body. Then hay presto you land in this Garden of Eden place which is the land of garlic and honey and your mission is to eat as much as you can to see how well you get. When you are about to pass out and die this chick in a white coat back in the lab pulls the reverse lever and you end up back in the chair safe and well. Then she says Hay have you learned any thing from that? Then you say from what? 

    Then she rolls her eyes upwards and says Okay then I'll book you in for another appointment. 

  • maxxmaxx 1186 Pts   -  
    you must be very "un" smart. You know there are other sites available for people like your kind. .  @Barnardot
  • BarnardotBarnardot 692 Pts   -  
    @maxx ;you must be very "un" smart. You know there are other sites available for people like your kind. .  @Barnardot

    Okay then I give up . I thought that you must of been talking about Total Recall with Arnie Schwartzinager. So since I’m so unsmart what movie are you talking about?

  • maxxmaxx 1186 Pts   -  
    like i said; if you are not capable of understanding the post, then do not debate it. @Barnardot
  • BarnardotBarnardot 692 Pts   -   edited August 4
    @maxx ;like i said; if you are not capable of understanding the post, then do not debate it.

    Do you mean like when some one keeps posting the same evidence time and time again that they think is evidence then every body like every body tells that person that the scientific report is really a paid for editorial that uses implications but never actually confirms or says a single thing and uses sites that never says things like may or it has been found instead of will? 

    Because yeah. These people are very gullible and all ways take things at face value and get sucked in every inch of the way. But you can't tell them that even if a 100 people tell them. So yeah these people shouldn't be debating any subject at all because they have no real idea at all. I throughly agree with you.

    Any way. Back to the subject. I would go to the book We Remember it for You Wholesale and I would like to be the character Dennis Quail. I would then travel to Mars in the future when people live there and I'm an assassin and all these agents are out to get me.

    That would be really cool. What do you reckon?

  • maxxmaxx 1186 Pts   -  
    you still do not understand. The system i have in mind is different. you will actually see out of the characters eyes, feel the pain, the pleasure and everything as it is happening from that  persons view; without the knowledge the real you is somewhere else, and the real you is not even aware of it, until  the session is over. in other words you will BE the person in the book. When the session is over, only then will you, the real self be aware of it, and retain the memories of that person in that book. You are not just looking at the scene, you ARE IN the scene as the person. The closest analogy is you are putting your(for lack of a better word) soul, your mind, or essence into the book without knowing the real self is behind the scene. You go to mars, you will completelybe in the spacecraft living the persons life; just in the same way as you, yourself is reading what i wrote. @Barnardot
  • BarnardotBarnardot 692 Pts   -  
    @maxx ;You go to mars, you will completelybe in the spacecraft living the persons life; just in the same way as you, yourself is reading what i wrote.

    Yeah thats right and thats exactly what Im talking about. Obviously you dont know about or havent red the book Im talking about. A movie was done twice about it and exactly every thing you describe in your OP is exactly what happens. So may be you should not be debating your own topic if you dont and wont under stand what some one else is properly debating about. Maxx stuffs up again I reckon :)

  • maxxmaxx 1186 Pts   -  
    that movie has nothing to do with my speculation of the system i am talking about. It is my post, i know the differences. you are the one who fail to understand. At this point you are not debating my OP, you are trying to integrate something new into it that has no bearing in it. @Barnardot
  • BarnardotBarnardot 692 Pts   -  
    @maxx ;that movie has nothing to do with my speculation of the system i am talking about

    Like derr. It has everything to do with your speculation because it’s exactly the same unless you’re trying to say that some how the author went forward in time and copied your post and wrote a book about it.

  • maxxmaxx 1186 Pts   -  
    total recall, is about a company selling implanted memories in the person. not the same at all. he is still aware of his self; just with additional memories. read the op and understand it first. @Barnardot
  • BarnardotBarnardot 692 Pts   -  
    @maxx ;read the op and understand it first.

    Well okay I have red the OP and I'm all airs so tell me then what the eff your trying to say then I will give you the most intelligent and considered argument that you ever herd.

  • maxxmaxx 1186 Pts   -  
    implanted memories are not what i am talking about; as for telling you what i mean the OP does it. do you know what an analogy is?  here is one. pretend you are a god and you put yourself into a physical being with out any knowledge that you are a god while in the being. You simply are in the being and living the life of it with all the things a life would encounter. That is close, but i fail to see any other way to make you understand. You sit at the machine, pick a book, the character in the book and suddenly you are the character living the life he has in the book. after the session stops, and only then are you aware of your real self, and yet you retain all the memories of what happened to you while you were the character in the book. While you are the character in the book, you have no knowledge that the real you is sitting at the machine. @Barnardot
  • BarnardotBarnardot 692 Pts   -  
    @maxx ;While you are the character in the book, you have no knowledge that the real you is sitting at the machine.

    Okay got you there. So there for I go back to my original idea of playing out the Bible. So I sit at the machine, pick the Bible and the character I choose is Jesus and suddenly I am Jesus living the life he has in the book. After the session stops, and only then am I aware of my real self, and yet I retain all the memories of what happened to me while I was Jesus. While I am Jesus, I have no knowledge that the real me is sitting at the machine.

    So am I on the right page now because I think it all adds up.

  • maxxmaxx 1186 Pts   -  
    yes. so far you have it right. although we do not have the technology to do it. Still i think it would benefit people in many ways.For example, a clinically depressed person could lead lives of happy people; thus retaining the memories, in which could help them overcome the depression. Criminals could be sentenced to lead the lives of crime victims to understand what it is like to be a victim; and perhaps those memories which get imbedded into their brains would help them overcome the desire to commit crimes. There would be many ways ths idea could help people.@Barnardot
  • BarnardotBarnardot 692 Pts   -   edited August 8
    @maxx ;Criminals could be sentenced to lead the lives of crime victims

    You mean like in A Cockwork Orange which is where this inmate guy had match sticks to keep his eyes open so he could watch a hole heap of violent and porno movies until he puked up and in the end he was cured.

  • maxxmaxx 1186 Pts   -  
    well, if that is as far as your understanding reaches, I am finished talking with you. @Barnardot
  • BarnardotBarnardot 692 Pts   -  
    @maxx ;well, if that is as far as your understanding reaches, I am finished talking with you.

    Well no thats not as far as it reaches because if you want me to do a post on some thing as far as mind reaches then it would cover several thousand pages. All I'm doing here is giving you a snippet of what I think about what you said about:

     Criminals could be sentenced to lead the lives of crime victims to understand what it is like to be a victim; and perhaps those memories which get imbedded into their brains would help them overcome the desire to commit crimes. There would be many ways ths idea could help people

    And I reckon that Stanley Kubrick covered exactly what you were talking about extremely well so what your got to do is expand your limited range of intelligent thinking to a completely new level of under standing and think of what other people say in terms of what they are articulating instead of only the strictly confined conscripts of what is going down in your thought processes at a particular given time.

  • maxxmaxx 1186 Pts   -  
    First,  you can not apply movies or compare them to certain topics. Second,  lrt me explain in reverse.  Take the life you are living right now. You wake up, go to work,  interact with people,  or whatever.  However. You are just a character in a book, where the real you is at a machine,  with your mind inside the life you think you are living.  You also do not know the real you is at a machine,  nor does the real you realize it either,  until the book , which is the life you think you are living. Ends. And inly then does the real you know, and he retains the memory,  the events, emotions. Interactions,  and every single thing that you have done in this life in wh you think is real
     . Now do you understand?@Barnardot
  • BarnardotBarnardot 692 Pts   -  
    @maxx ; First,  you can not apply movies or compare them to certain topics. Now do you understand?

    Okay gotcha.

    So what if I choose the main character in the book called A Clockwork Orange by Anthony Burgess.

    I would be the main character called Alex and go in to a world full of violence. So then me and my mates go in to this Russian Milk Bar and drink milk shakes laced with drugs then go out on a rampage. But its after I murder some one and end up in the klink when all the meety part of the experience starts to happen. So they inject me with different drugs to make me hate the things that I liked before including Beethoven but in particular all the violence and porn. Which is where the match sticks come in to it and I start puking every where.

  • maxxmaxx 1186 Pts   -  
    well, if that's your preference, go for it. I guess some people would use it for things like that, and miss out on the actual benefits of the system. @Barnardot
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