Do you support Kamala Harris' policies to deny poor Black children educational freedom?

Factfinder

It would be nice if people did vote their conscience on issues and policies, but that rarely happens with enough consistency to depend on. 

The left is far better at packaging idealistic agendas and selling them to the public than the right is. The woman of color angle offers the left perfect spin material for romanticizing bigotry in their favor as well. And half the country already is convinced Trump is a bigot. So he really does need to navigate these waters carefully as the left is notoriously known for playing the race card when it suits their agenda. The children in DC are pawns and will be sacrificed to serve the teachers unions who have bought the dems ticket. Besides they went against the narrative that only upper middleclass whites go to private schools Harris's handlers will simply blame it on republican budget cuts. 

just_sayin

Overall 66% of Democrats, 80% of Republicans, and 69% of Independents saying they support such a policy. Additionally, 70% of Asian, 73% of Black, 71% of Hispanic, and 71% of White voters support school choice.  see https://www.federationforchildren.org/new-poll-school-choice-support-soars-from-2020/

Yet, Democrats are doubling down on keeping poor Black children chained to failed public schools rather than allow them to go to good voucher schools.  How does it help that child trapped in a Democrat run public school to be denied educational choice?

Factfinder

It doesn't. But democrats rely on teachers unions and they want public schools as well as woke democrats.  I don't think Trump is going to have a easy time with Harris like he was about to with Biden The worst thing he can do is be over confident and underestimate Harris and the media moguls backing her. Believe me, they'll blame the DC mess on republicans even though they are letting the program expire.

just_sayin

Democrats vote against national voucher programs even though they are incredibly popular.  I don't know if anyone has ever seen video of the DC school voucher lottery, but it is moving.  You see the pure joy in a family's face when they realize their child gets to go to a voucher school, and you see the heartbroken desperation of a family that realizes their child is will remain trapped in a bad public school.  

Eleanor Holmes Norton who represents DC has been an outspoken person on stopping vouchers.  I've always wondered what would happen if Republicans withdrew their grace and just didn't vote for the DC voucher program to be renewed.  Democrats in DC would get what they voted for, unfortunately, their children would pay the price.

I can't support someone like Harris, who won't allow a poor child to go to a good voucher school, knowing that the alternative is that child must attend a bad public school.  

Factfinder

@just_sayin

I can't support someone like Harris, who won't allow a poor child to go to a good voucher school, knowing that the alternative is that child must attend a bad public school.  

On that we share common ground. People like Harris will sacrifice anyone to further the extreme left's agenda. After the 2016 election the radical left adopted a mantra that said, "by any means possible" in removing Trump as an obstacle to their radical agenda and their subsequent actions demonstrated they meant it. There is no reason to think they've changed since then.

just_sayin

A common objection by those who want to keep poor Black children chained to bad public schools is that allowing parents choice will drain money from schools.  This is not true.  From Washington Policy (about Washington State program):

A common objection to school choice is that letting families use public resources to pay for online courses, tutoring or private tuition will “drain” money from the school district budgets. This claim is most frequently made by people employed by or who otherwise benefit from school district spending. This claim is not true, for several reasons. First, school choice programs typically provide only a fraction of a state’s per student education funding. In Washington, state-provided funding is $12,587 per child, or barely 70 percent of the total state, local and federal revenue of $18,175 per child.17 Even if the full level of state were allocated to parents who ask for it, the total amount of federal grants and local levies would remain in the school district budget, without any of the expense of educating that child. Yet most choice programs do not provide full state funding to parents who request it. For example, in Washington parents who choose a charter public school receive only $15,000, while the remaining average of $3,000 goes to a school district the child is not attending. Second, budget data shows that public education funding increases every year, even in states with school choice programs. The data shows lawmakers increase public school funding even as they allow parents who want options make other choices.

To recap - public schools still get paid by local and federal funding - that goes to the public school system, even if the kid is in a private or homeschooled.  So, public schools are getting money for kids they aren't even teaching.  Further, the voucher in most cases is much less than what the state spends per student, and that extra stays with the public school, meaning the average amount spent per child increases as a result of school choice programs.

Edchoice, which reports on all school choice studies, whether good or bad, posted this in its 2024 report about the cumulative effect of school choice programs on the fiscal costs to public schools:



So why is it OK for Democrats to deny poor Black kids educational freedom?  Many of the public schools these kids have been in have been bad public schools for 50 years or more.  Just how many half centuries does a child have to wait to get a good education?  This is the civil rights issue of our generation, and once again, Democrats are on the wrong side of it.  

Delilah6120

@Just_sayin @Factfinder

Oh geez. Stop with ¨the sky is falling, the sky is falling!¨

Harris believes in public schools. Period. School vouchers take away public funding from public schools. She also understands the complexities of the inner workings of just how these vouchers work and how they don´t.

Delilah6120

@just_sayin

Instead of trying to justify your own racism by continuously asserting that DEI is racist, why not put all that effort into the root causes of poverty for blacks that deny blacks affordable housing in suburbia rather than urban living? That may be a better argument and more beneficial to blacks.  This B*S trope of DEI being racist is frankly getting old. 

just_sayin

Delilah6120 said:

@just_sayin

Instead of trying to justify your own racism by continuously asserting that DEI is racist, why not put all that effort into the root causes of poverty for blacks that deny blacks affordable housing in suburbia rather than urban living? That may be a better argument and more beneficial to blacks.  This B*S trope of DEI being racist is frankly getting old. 

Democrat policies such as more stringent building codes, restricting building types and heights in urban areas are responsible for much of the unaffordability of housing.  Further, the spending on education per child in poor Black neighbors is statistically 2 percent greater than the spending on neighboring rich neighborhoods and has been since the 70's.    

Any policy that favors or discriminates against someone due to their race in admissions, hiring, promotions, firing, influence, evaluations, and giving scholarships, awards, grants or contracts is a racist policy.  Any policy that asserts that you can know someone's privilege, intentions, implicit bias, temperament, worth, or guilt because of their race, is a racist policy.  This encapsulates what DEI promotes.  DEI is indeed racist.

I'm sure you think your racism is good well intentioned racism.  But its still racism.  You are in denial about the racism your support.  And you are ignoring the victims of its discrimination.  

Wherever school choice is present, the public schools do something that they didn't do before - they get better.  Not only do voucher programs provide kids with educational choice that results in them being 25% more likely to go to college, but it has been shown to force public schools to improve in districts where vouchers are available.  

just_sayin

Delilah6120 said:

@Just_sayin @Factfinder

Oh geez. Stop with ¨the sky is falling, the sky is falling!¨

Harris believes in public schools. Period. School vouchers take away public funding from public schools. She also understands the complexities of the inner workings of just how these vouchers work and how they don´t.

Actually, because the cost of the voucher is significantly less than the money given by the state, locality, and the federal government, and the public school gets to keep that extra money, the school is literally being paid for kids it isn't teaching.  The net result is that the public school is able to spend more per child on education for the kids it actually is teaching.  I provided the evidence above. You can read the documentation here.  

We should do what is best for the child, not the teachers union.

Delilah6120

@just_sayin

Actually, because the cost of the voucher is significantly less than the money given by the state, locality, and the federal government, and the public school gets to keep that extra money, the school is literally being paid for kids it isn't teaching.  The net result is that the public school is able to spend more per child on education for the kids it actually is teaching.  I provided the evidence above. You can read the documentation here.  

We should do what is best for the child, not the teachers union.

The public school gets to keep the extra money? Isn´t that where the money is supposed to go? And how do you know that parents will allocate that money efficiently or even honestly? 

Your OP presented Kamala Harris´ position on school vouchers as evil and nefarious. Stop. Please. Because she´s a democrat does not make her evil. Stop your flabbergasting. She believes in public education because 1) they´re all inclusive regardless of status, race, religion, money and ability, equal opportunity, 2) exposure to a wide range of backgrounds and cultures and differenct perspective 3) builds tolerance, understanding and sense of community, 4) social development of children 5) prepares students to be well informed, active citizens, teaches civic responsibility and importantly -  critical thinking skills, 5) public education benefits society as a whole.

I´m not sure where all this craziness around public education comes from but it seemed to be amplified during Trump´s reign and after Covid. Was it Moms for Liberty or the right wing extremists who are quite often pulling old but fixable s--h--i--t-- out of a hat and trying to dismantle everything - Why? Cuz they got nothin´ else to run on but old s - h - i - t.

Does public education have problems? Yes of course. But the way to fix those problems is not to pull out of public education and eliminate the DOE as Project 2025 proposes. Drastic and extreme again from the right because they seemingly cannot use their heads to do it in a more reasonable, intelligent and prudent fashion. That is not in your OP, but I believe it is the root of your biases - listening to right wing catastrophe.

Washington D.C.has historically had problems with public education. Why? The reasons are complex - mismanagement of funds, socioeconomic challenges, administrative issues, poverty, homelessness, teacher shortages, violence and crime, aging infrastructure, historical segregation and inequities are still impacting the educational system. But THAT is not the reason to disband public education as we know it which is exactly what I believe the new republican party is working toward - children being taught at home by Moms and enforcing a religious background which accomplishes 1. Opening up more jobs for Men 2. Women in the household will know their place again and eventually 3) no more public education - elimination of the department of education which I believe is being masked as concern for the blacks just like DEI is being masked as concern for Asians.

Addressing the root problems is necessary - not changing horses in the middle of the stream. The NRP (new republican party) continues to make a mess of nothing. They take seemingly benign issues with problems and turn them into major catastrophes that require elimination!

Letś fix the system - not pull old s - h - i - t out of a hat just to distract.

just_sayin

Delilah6120 said:

@just_sayin

Actually, because the cost of the voucher is significantly less than the money given by the state, locality, and the federal government, and the public school gets to keep that extra money, the school is literally being paid for kids it isn't teaching.  The net result is that the public school is able to spend more per child on education for the kids it actually is teaching.  I provided the evidence above. You can read the documentation here.  

We should do what is best for the child, not the teachers union.

The public school gets to keep the extra money? Isn´t that where the money is supposed to go? And how do you know that parents will allocate that money efficiently or even honestly? 

Your OP presented Kamala Harris´ position on school vouchers as evil and nefarious. Stop. Please. Because she´s a democrat does not make her evil. Stop your flabbergasting. She believes in public education because 1) they´re all inclusive regardless of status, race, religion, money and ability, equal opportunity, 2) exposure to a wide range of backgrounds and cultures and differenct perspective 3) builds tolerance, understanding and sense of community, 4) social development of children 5) prepares students to be well informed, active citizens, teaches civic responsibility and importantly -  critical thinking skills, 5) public education benefits society as a whole.

I´m not sure where all this craziness around public education comes from but it seemed to be amplified during Trump´s reign and after Covid. Was it Moms for Liberty or the right wing extremists who are quite often pulling old but fixable s--h--i--t-- out of a hat and trying to dismantle everything - Why? Cuz they got nothin´ else to run on but old s - h - i - t.

Does public education have problems? Yes of course. But the way to fix those problems is not to pull out of public education and eliminate the DOE as Project 2025 proposes. Drastic and extreme again from the right because they seemingly cannot use their heads to do it in a more reasonable, intelligent and prudent fashion. That is not in your OP, but I believe it is the root of your biases - listening to right wing catastrophe.

Washington D.C.has historically had problems with public education. Why? The reasons are complex - mismanagement of funds, socioeconomic challenges, administrative issues, poverty, homelessness, teacher shortages, violence and crime, aging infrastructure, historical segregation and inequities are still impacting the educational system. But THAT is not the reason to disband public education as we know it which is exactly what I believe the new republican party is working toward - children being taught at home by Moms and enforcing a religious background which accomplishes 1. Opening up more jobs for Men 2. Women in the household will know their place again and eventually 3) no more public education - elimination of the department of education which I believe is being masked as concern for the blacks just like DEI is being masked as concern for Asians.

Addressing the root problems is necessary - not changing horses in the middle of the stream. The NRP (new republican party) continues to make a mess of nothing. They take seemingly benign issues with problems and turn them into major catastrophes that require elimination!

Letś fix the system - not pull old s - h - i - t out of a hat just to distract.

The public school system keeps money given for students that it does not teach - whether they be homeschooled or in a private school.  The goal of all the money is to give a kid a good education.

Most of the school systems that are bad have been bad for 50 years or more.  And predominantly, they have all been run by Democrats.  Now after 50 years, either Democrats don't want the public schools to be good, or they aren't able to make them good, either way it is time to rescue kids out of them.  Democrats always say, just give us more money and in a few years will turn things around, and then when a few years go by and Democrats failed to do what they said, they say just give us some more money and a few more years.  Just how many half centuries do poor Black kids need to wait to get a good education.

No one is saying Democrats can't try and fix public schools, just that poor Black kids shouldn't have to be chained to them, and that they should be given educational freedom to pick a good voucher school instead while Democrats get their stuff together. 

The only people who benefit from keeping poor Black kids chained to bad schools are teacher unions and Democrats who get lots of donations from teacher unions. 

The research shows that voucher schools increase the quality of public schools in districts where they are at and that they increase the likelihood of a child going to college.  Plus they cost less than half of public schools.   

MichaelElpers

@Delilah6120

"Vouchers take away money from public schools.

they´re all inclusive regardless of status, race, religion, money and ability, equal opportunity, 2) exposure to a wide range of backgrounds and cultures and differenct perspective 3) builds tolerance, understanding and sense of community, 4) social development of children 5) prepares students to be well informed, active citizens, teaches civic responsibility and importantly -  critical thinking skills, 5) public education benefits society as a whole."

Which of thrse things dont apply to private schools. Also if vouchers pull money away from public schools, isnt that an indication the public schools suck?
School choice just allows parents to choose a school. So if public schooling is great, they should have no problem getting that funding.

I really dont understand the downside here. Its the most obvious way to provide high schooling options whilr improving education overall.

maxx

UM I THOUGHT soar was a program where a few selected student  interacted closely with a certified teacher; more or less one on one. Where the teacher does not have a large class to deal with, so can spend more time with the children. ending it, does not affect their educational freedom. @just_sayin

just_sayin

maxx said:

UM I THOUGHT soar was a program where a few selected student  interacted closely with a certified teacher; more or less one on one. Where the teacher does not have a large class to deal with, so can spend more time with the children. ending it, does not affect their educational freedom. @just_sayin

Maxx,
There might be many programs that use the acronym SOAR.  I am referencing the Congressional bill for the District of Columbia Scholarships for Opportunity and Results Act (SOAR) that created a federal school voucher program in the district.  

Delilah6120

@MichaelElpers @just_sayin

Vouchers take away money from public schools.

they´re all inclusive regardless of status, race, religion, money and ability, equal opportunity, 2) exposure to a wide range of backgrounds and cultures and differenct perspective 3) builds tolerance, understanding and sense of community, 4) social development of children 5) prepares students to be well informed, active citizens, teaches civic responsibility and importantly -  critical thinking skills, 5) public education benefits society as a whole."

Which of thrse things dont apply to private schools. Also if vouchers pull money away from public schools, isnt that an indication the public schools suck?
School choice just allows parents to choose a school. So if public schooling is great, they should have no problem getting that funding.

I really dont understand the downside here. Its the most obvious way to provide high schooling options whilr improving education overall.

Which do not apply to private schools? Generally, the wealthier enjoy sending their children to private schools. This will not help poorer families in inner cities for obvious reasons. Private schools will only cater to those wealthy enough to enjoy them. Advocating for the wealthy to enjoy their private schools will just invite segregation.

Public schooling was not an issue that it is now due to cultural, societal AND political issues.  IMHO, it started with Trump and the far right. I also believe this is about a parentś need to CONTROL their children´s education and the unfounded fear of government takeover. This is about not having your children exposed to viewpoints that the parents simply cannot tolerate due to extreme political discourse. This only became an issue during Trump´s reign and Covid (creating teacher shortages and parental anger). The whole B>>>>S story about CRT, teachings of slavery, mask mandates that pissed parents off blaming government overreach, books on transgender, the lack of religion not being taught in public schools. It is the far right and their intolerance to anything they do not understand or cannot control. This is NOT about blacks in inner cities. Stop the B__S. This is how Trump ruled - find a tiny scratch and pick it to death until it festers into a gaping wound. Their inability to govern is what caused this. They simply did not have the experience to find solutions to issues because that was just too lofty for extremists. Control is easier. 

Public Education has its problems but why not fix existing problems? Why reinvent the wheel? This is just another extreme right ploy to have control of issues that seem to befuddle them. Control is easier.

We should continue investing in our public school districts. School Choice? What do you think most parents do when deciding on where to live? They choose the right school district for their children. That is school choice. Unfortunately this does not help poor families who are forced to live in inner cities where inner city public schools have more problems. But instead of eliminating the DOE and the erosion of our public school system, why not further invest in finding solutions to 1) investing more (money and research) in public schools and 2) investing in areas that help elevate poor inner-city families?

But once again the extreme far right is exploiting one group (blacks) as a means to conceal the real reasons they´re pushing this: 1) racism, need to control, extreme viewpoints and fear of government. Stop. It´s like the B__S DEI problem and using the Asians in the same way. It is transparent and it has to stop.

This is yet another far right B_S issue, like all problems needing fixing, that was turned into a colossal problem. Stop turning scratches into gaping wounds. 

just_sayin

@Delilah6120
Which do not apply to private schools? Generally, the wealthier enjoy sending their children to private schools. This will not help poorer families in inner cities for obvious reasons. Private schools will only cater to those wealthy enough to enjoy them. Advocating for the wealthy to enjoy their private schools will just invite segregation.

In almost every instance, voucher programs require participating private schools to accept the voucher as full payment.  Further, studies show that 69% of all recipients of school vouchers in the US are minority students who qualify for reduced or free lunches. (See for yourself - Read edchoice 123's 2024 review of all school choice research.

Public schooling was not an issue that it is now due to cultural, societal AND political issues.  IMHO, it started with Trump and the far right. I also believe this is about a parentś need to CONTROL their children´s education and the unfounded fear of government takeover. This is about not having your children exposed to viewpoints that the parents simply cannot tolerate due to extreme political discourse. This only became an issue during Trump´s reign and Covid (creating teacher shortages and parental anger). The whole B>>>>S story about CRT, teachings of slavery, mask mandates that pissed parents off blaming government overreach, books on transgender, the lack of religion not being taught in public schools. It is the far right and their intolerance to anything they do not understand or cannot control. This is NOT about blacks in inner cities. Stop the B__S. This is how Trump ruled - find a tiny scratch and pick it to death until it festers into a gaping wound. Their inability to govern is what caused this. They simply did not have the experience to find solutions to issues because that was just too lofty for extremists. Control is easier. 

Most bad schools have been bad schools for many decades.  Trump did not make them bad.  Further, the greatest influence on schools is the local school board, which are predominately controlled by Democrats in urban areas where the majority of bad minority schools are located.

The National Teachers Association admitted in court that CRT was being taught.  After all their denials of doing so, when on trial, they not only admitted that school districts were doing so, they defended the practice.  

Here is the text from the Florida CRT bill regarding what cannot be taught:

(3) The Legislature acknowledges the fundamental truth that

  280  all individuals are equal before the law and have inalienable

  281  rights. Accordingly, instruction on the topics enumerated in

  282  this section and supporting materials must be consistent with

  283  the following principles of individual freedom:

  284         (a) No individual is inherently racist, sexist, or

  285  oppressive, whether consciously or unconsciously, solely by

  286  virtue of his or her race or sex.

  287         (b) No race is inherently superior to another race.

  288         (c) No individual should be discriminated against or

  289  receive adverse treatment solely or partly on the basis of race,

  290  color, national origin, religion, disability, or sex.

  291         (d) Meritocracy or traits such as a hard work ethic are not

  292  racist but fundamental to the right to pursue happiness and be

  293  rewarded for industry.

  294         (e) An individual, by virtue of his or her race or sex,

  295  does not bear responsibility for actions committed in the past

  296  by other members of the same race or sex.

  297         (f) An individual should not be made to feel discomfort,

  298  guilt, anguish, or any other form of psychological distress on

  299  account of his or her race.

So which of these points do you disagree with?  The fact that teachers were teaching that a child is inherently racist at all is unacceptable.  I'm sure that leftists will argue that their racism is good racism, but it isn't.  Its wrong to teach a white child she is an oppressor because she is white.  It is wrong to teach a Black child that he is a victim and can't succeed because he is Black.  The racism of the left is immoral and it has no place in the public school system other than to be called out and condemned.

jack

@just_sayin

Hello just_:

If you were asked when you stopped beating your wife, you'd clearly SEE that there's no way to successfully answer that question. That's what a "strawman" is.  It tells a lie, and then invites debate as though the lie wasn't a lie. 

So, if you wanna debate, you should know what a strawman is..  You shouldn't ask strawman questions, and you shouldn't answer one..  Cause, they're STOOPID.

excon

just_sayin

jack said:

@just_sayin

Hello just_:

If you were asked when you stopped beating your wife, you'd clearly SEE that there's no way to successfully answer that question. That's what a "strawman" is.  It tells a lie, and then invites debate as though the lie wasn't a lie. 

So, if you wanna debate, you should know what a strawman is..  You shouldn't ask strawman questions, and you shouldn't answer one..  Cause, they're STOOPID.

excon

jack,
Harris supported Biden's efforts to end the DC federal school voucher program in 2023.  Tell me, if that program ended, what happens to the kids who had escaped bad public schools in DC? 

Sorry, old man, its not a strawman, but instead, a very real attempt to harm poor Black children, who receive 85% of vouchers in DCs federal program, so that teacher's unions will be happy.  

jack

just_sayin said:

Harris supported Biden's efforts to end the DC federal school voucher program in 2023.  Tell me, if that program ended, what happens to the kids who had escaped bad public schools in DC? 

Sorry, old man, its not a strawman, but instead, a very real attempt to harm poor Black children, who receive 85% of vouchers in DCs federal program, so that teacher's unions will be happy.  

Hello just_:

A strawman isn't about content.  It's about the English language. 

Here, lemme help you:  A straw man fallacy (sometimes written as strawman) is the informal fallacy of refuting an argument different from the one actually under discussion, while not recognizing or acknowledging the distinction.[1] One who engages in this fallacy is said to be "attacking a straw man".

I know, you're not interested in my help.  You'd rather look STOOPID.  Cool!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

excon

Delilah6120

@just_sayin

Trump did not create public school issues. But he exacerbated them and scapegoated like he did every issue.

I´m sorry, I am just not trusting your concern for Blacks or Asians. Your arguments just do not back up your ¨concern¨.

I believe in public schools. I believe public school problems have been over sensationalized and it happened during trumpś reign to satisfy the evangelicals and the right wing extremists.

I am explicitly for public schools - now. Does that mean in the future, we won´t find better solutions to problems in public education and should address them - no - and we should. But for now, let´s fix what we have. Let´s not turn it into something it isn´t.

just_sayin

jack said:

just_sayin said:

Harris supported Biden's efforts to end the DC federal school voucher program in 2023.  Tell me, if that program ended, what happens to the kids who had escaped bad public schools in DC? 

Sorry, old man, its not a strawman, but instead, a very real attempt to harm poor Black children, who receive 85% of vouchers in DCs federal program, so that teacher's unions will be happy.  

Hello just_:

A strawman isn't about content.  It's about the English language. 

Here, lemme help you:  A straw man fallacy (sometimes written as strawman) is the informal fallacy of refuting an argument different from the one actually under discussion, while not recognizing or acknowledging the distinction.[1] One who engages in this fallacy is said to be "attacking a straw man".

I know, you're not interested in my help.  You'd rather look STOOPID.  Cool!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

excon

Harris has literally voted against school voucher programs like the DC one.  How is she not denying poor Black children educational freedom?  Your claim was bogus, and you got called out on it.  Harris does not support educational freedom and her record shows this.

just_sayin

Delilah6120 said:

@just_sayin

Trump did not create public school issues. But he exacerbated them and scapegoated like he did every issue.

I´m sorry, I am just not trusting your concern for Blacks or Asians. Your arguments just do not back up your ¨concern¨.

I believe in public schools. I believe public school problems have been over sensationalized and it happened during trumpś reign to satisfy the evangelicals and the right wing extremists.

I am explicitly for public schools - now. Does that mean in the future, we won´t find better solutions to problems in public education and should address them - no - and we should. But for now, let´s fix what we have. Let´s not turn it into something it isn´t.

When do poor Black kids need to get a good education?  Does it make sense to end voucher programs when so many public schools are horrible schools?  If a poor Black child is not allowed into a voucher school or kicked out of her voucher school, what is her alternative?  Harris, would force that poor Black child back into a bad public school.  To me that is not acceptable.

MayCaesar

Delilah6120 said:

The public school gets to keep the extra money? Isn´t that where the money is supposed to go? And how do you know that parents will allocate that money efficiently or even honestly?

Who cares? It is their money, not yours. Maybe they will allocate it less efficiently than the local bureaucrat. Maybe you will allocate your money less efficiently than I would - so, please hand me over your wallet, lady.

RickeyHoltsclaw

@just_sayin ; The Democrats have always been the political party of slavery, suppression, abuse, greed, filth...nothing has changed but the faces.

Factfinder

@Delilah6120

Trump did not create public school issues. But he exacerbated them and scapegoated like he did every issue.

Pointing to the failure of a leftist controlled office like the DOE for decades is not scapegoating, it's calling out democrat failures that produce high school grads that can't read and write. That is the reason the swamp must be drained. Non elected lifetime appointees have run the bureaucratic educational ship aground. If you want to argue "they don't run the DOE" then fine, you shouldn't care about draining the swamp then. 

If you explicitly favor the public school system and want to keep it then you're in denial clinging to the dismal failure of the DOE. 

In conclusion, the current public school system has failed our children in numerous ways, including academic performance, safety, and preparedness for the future. However, there are solutions to these problems that can be implemented through education reform. By implementing school choice, increasing school security, and incorporating vocational and technical training into the curriculum, we can provide our children with the education they need to succeed in the 21st century.

https://www.lpmass.org/the_shocking_truth_about_how_public_schools_are_failing_our_kids

just_sayin

School choice really is the civil rights issue of our time

“This Is the Civil-Rights Issue of Our Time”

School choice is the civil rights issue of our time, and the Democrats, like always, are on the wrong side of the issue.  Keeping a poor Black child in a bad public school may help teacher unions and Democrats who get lots of donations from teacher union, but how does it help that poor Black child who is trapped in a bad public school?  

Trump supports a national school choice program.  This would create more opportunities for Black children trapped in bad schools and it would cause bad public schools to have to get better to compete with voucher schools.  

just_sayin

Harris has fought voucher programs and there is no reason to think that she will do otherwise now.  Many poor Black children depend upon voucher schools to get a good education.  Harris would chain these children to bad public schools which have been bad public schools for many decades.

just_sayin

The Republican party wants to make school choice available across the United States, while the Democrats want to keep kids trapped in bad publics schools trapped in bad public schools.  I applaud Republicans for taking this bold step.  No child should be made to go to a bad public school.

just_sayin

Delilah6120 said:

@just_sayin

Trump did not create public school issues. But he exacerbated them and scapegoated like he did every issue.

I´m sorry, I am just not trusting your concern for Blacks or Asians. Your arguments just do not back up your ¨concern¨.

I believe in public schools. I believe public school problems have been over sensationalized and it happened during trumpś reign to satisfy the evangelicals and the right wing extremists.

I am explicitly for public schools - now. Does that mean in the future, we won´t find better solutions to problems in public education and should address them - no - and we should. But for now, let´s fix what we have. Let´s not turn it into something it isn´t.

Can you explain to me why I should vote for Harris when I know she will keep poor Black kids trapped in bad public schools and deny them educational freedom?  How is that poor Black child helped by chaining her to a bad school?