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god is evil

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awaketowhereawaketowhere 25 Pts
edited June 2017 in Religion

Here are a few verses in the bible where god states that he is “evil”. So why do christians not take their god at his word that he IS in fact “evil”? It certainly would solve a lot of problems. 
There are also a few verses where god's buddies say he's evil. So once again, why don't christians take these characters at their word who certainly know one heck-av-a-lot better than they do? 

Isaiah 45:7 "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things." 

2 Samuel 12:11-14 11 Thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will raise up evil against thee out of thine own house, and I will take thy wives before thine eyes, and give them unto thy neighbour, and he shall lie with thy wives in the sight of this sun. 12 For thou didst it secretly: but I will do this thing before all Israel, and before the sun. 13 And David said unto Nathan, I have sinned against the LORD. And Nathan said unto David, The LORD also hath put away thy sin; thou shalt not die.14 Howbeit, because by this deed thou hast given great occasion to the enemies of the LORD to blaspheme, the child also that is born unto thee shall surely die. (theevilbible.com) [The child dies seven days later.] This has got to be one of the sickest quotes of the Bible.  God himself brings the completely innocent rape victims to the rapist.  What kind of pathetic loser would do something so evil?  And then he kills a child!  This is sick, really sick!

1KI 22: 22-23 “And the LORD said unto him, Wherewith? And he said, I will go forth, and I will be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets. And he said, Thou shalt persuade him, and prevail also: go forth, and do so. 23 Now therefore, behold, the LORD hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets, and the LORD hath spoken evil concerning thee.” 

2 Chronicles 18:22,”Now therefore, behold, the LORD hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of these thy prophets, and the LORD hath spoken evil against thee.”

Jeremiah 19:3 “And say, Hear ye the word of the LORD, O kings of Judah, and inhabitants of Jerusalem; Thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; Behold, I will bring evil upon this place, the which whosoever heareth, his ears shall tingle.” 

Jeremiah 19:15 “Thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; Behold, I will bring upon this city and upon all her towns all the evil that I have pronounced against it, because they have hardened their necks, that they might not hear my words.” 

Jeremiah 23:12 “Wherefore their way shall be unto them as slippery ways in the darkness: they shall be driven on, and fall therein: for I will bring evil upon them, even the year of their visitation, saith the LORD.” 

Amos 3:6 “Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?” 

Deuteronomy 30: 15 “See, I have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil;" 

2 Kings 22:16 "Thus saith the Lord, Behold, I will bring evil upon this place, and upon the inhabitants thereof, even all the words of the book which the king of Judah hath read:" 

2 Kings 22:20 "Behold therefore, I will gather thee unto thy fathers, and thou shalt be gathered into thy grave in peace; and thine eyes shall not see all the evil which I will bring upon this place. 

JU 9:23 “Then God sent an evil spirit between Abimelech and the men of Shechem; and the men of Shechem dealt treacherously with Abimelech:”

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  • PowerPikachu21PowerPikachu21 200 Pts
    edited June 2017
    Why is the word "evil" in quotations? Do you personally believe God to be evil? Do you believe the term 'evil' is subjective? I haven't read the entire bible, nor am I planning on doing so, but I believe God is kinder than Anti-Theists might believe. [PS I'm an Atheist]
  • SuperSith89SuperSith89 109 Pts
    edited June 2017
    You changed the first verse.  It is supposed to be "I bring prosperity and create disaster."  Be careful with what version of the Bible you use and keep in mind that even then there are mistranslations.  

    This is the full chapter here: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2 Samuel 12.  Keep in mind, this is Nathan talking to David who had been sent by God to tell him his wrongs.  David had taken Bathseba and killed her husband.  This was the punishment for that.  Discipline, not evil.  I know that word is the same as evil these days, but take this for example.  There is a video of a momma seal pushing her baby into the water.  It screamed bloody murder and hopped on land again.  Us humans, if it was our child, would comfort them, give them candy, and set them in front of the tv.  But no, the seal pushed it back in many times.  Most would say, how evil!  Abuse!  No, that seals knew that if that baby never learned to swim, it would die.  It had to let it learn the hard way, and David did the same.  

    Again, the full chapter is here: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1 Kings 22.  A spirit did this and not God.  You can't pick and choose what you think a verse says.  

    This next verse is exactly the same as the one above, same answer.  

    The true word is again disaster.  Be careful with translations.  I am using the NIV, a very good version of the Bible.  Not sure where you got these from.  

    Wrong word again.  Disaster is the actual translation.  

    Again, disaster is the word.  Not evil.  Disaster and evil are totally different things.  God cannot be evil, but does bring disaster as punishment and discipline.  

    Disaster, not evil.  

    This is actually destruction.  Not much different  from disaster, but you never know.  Maybe it got mixed in translation since they are extremely similar.  

    Next two also are not the word evil.  Also, same chapter as before for 2 Kings.  

    That word is in fact animosity.  Different from evil.  

    So none of these actually had the word evil in them at all, and many of these were out of context.  So these are a few verses anyways, what about the verses of God being good?

    Psalm 107:1 "Give thanks to the LORD, for he is good; his love endures forever"

    Paslm 145:9 "The LORD is good to all; he has compassion on all he has made"

    John 3:16 "For God so loved the world that He gave his one and only Son that whoever believes in Him shall not perish but have everlasting life."  

    No seriously, what version are you using?
  • @SuperSith89 Oh no. Sorry. I didn't change anything. Would you like to try again? And this time use a little lemon squeeze K barf-o-matic? Just because you use an abomination for a translation, that's not my problem, that's yours. See that's precisely why no god, none would EVER use text as a form of communication so everybody could get it wrong. And with no updates in at least 2,000 years, you have no idea what you are reading. None. Neither does anyone else. So since you are reading a monstrosity as a translation, the rest of your conversation, is null and void. Contact me when you get it right, have evidence, and can actually believe what your god says is true that he is "evil". Oh and btw, that's just for starters. So what do you think about your god and slavery, do you think that slavery is evil and or morally correct? Y____? N____? Do you believe that gays should be stoned to death? Y____? N____? Do you believe that your god's deliberate genocides were justified which included murdering children and babies? Y____? N____? Do you believe that those who do not believe in god should be stoned to death? Y____? N____? 
  • .....seriously?  I refuse to continue with this if that's all your going to do.  You didn't answer my questions, you just threw out what I had to say, AND you expect me to refute your claims without using the Bible although you are using some false bible as your source.  Makes sense.  

    Also, what is so bad about God using text?  It's the backbone of our society!!!!  School is based off of text, our history is in texts, every single religion in the world has text, and science is almost all text.  What other way do you want Him to give us instructions on how to live a righteous life?  Just put it in our heads, the least safe place because of all the corruption of sin.  People still would say that is a bad way too.  Want Him to pop up in front of you?  Well I'd like to see macroevolution take place too, but even though you can't see that either it doesn't matter.  It's completely true there, yea suuuuure.
  • SuperSith89SuperSith89 109 Pts
    edited June 2017
  • ImbsterImbster 98 Pts
    edited June 2017
    Ah a possible dystheist here.
    With the Biblical texts you present, I would agree.

    try refuting 2 Samuel 12:11-14 
    Look, whether the translations are correct or incorrect, theists read it everyone reads it and most importantly as preachers claim, the people responsible for making a Bible(version) are under the guidance of God. If God guides them to speak or write in such way, why should a theist go against writing? Is it because God is depicted as evil? Look at other religions. Salute to them who STILL praise their god/s even if scriptures tell them they're evil. They still acknowledge that god.

    And also it's clearly seen in the old testament God is not the loving father we have all heard. He's a creative God that loves to play with his sims. Who do you think made psalms? God? It's just people and their self interpretation of God based on what happened to them written as songs.
    Paslm 145:9 umm Flood, Desert, the philistines( he just looked at David take 200 foreskins forcefully, human rights?). Maybe it should've been translated to "he HAD compassion on all that he has made". I don't think it's compassion with all the words he blurted out on the old testament. He's biased in sharing his bucket of compassion with a race of people and won't even care about brainwashing the pharaoh himself so pharaoh turns christian. The New Testament is much better.

    God made us in his image and likeness. THEREFORE, he is capable of evil and has every right to do so like his creation. Like God who hath done all these, Man also hath or will. Satan made evil? Satan tempts us? Well let's go back to Job and learn that Satan can do NOTHING without God's permission.

    Do you believe only one unity of people believing in Christianity should go to heaven?

     It's already official doctrine that salvation is through John 3:16 not the good deeds bad deeds santa clause story. Therefore a priest child molester that always believed Jesus' death and resurrection, had his 'confession' and he repented so hard equal to how he treated the kid, goes to heaven. I wouldn't wish to enter a filthy heaven with major sinners but major believers. I'd rather enter hell where some people are atheist but haven't sinned/ have least sinned, people of different religion who were very religious but believed in the wrong one.
  • @Imbster ;@awaketowhere Well I know a lost cause when I see one.  Even Jesus knew when to stop because of peoples' disbelief.  
  • @awaketowhere
    Yo man chill. It's a debate, not an excuse for you to be smug towards people who disagree with you.
  • ImbsterImbster 98 Pts
    edited June 2017
    Dude @awaketowhere God is both evil and good at the same time not just all malevolent nor all benevolent
  • @Imbster No such thing as being both evil and good in complete and polarizing directions. Look at it this way... You have a maniac who rapes, beats and tortures and chops up 6 five year old girls. There's 0 chance he's good. And if ever caught he's gonna get the chair and rightly so. So why doesn't this god character get the chair for doing far worse? After all this god guy knowingly creates children to be raped, beaten and tortured by their abusers quadrillions of years in advance. Right? That is if god is god. To knowingly create children to suffer through horrific pain and despair is as evil and as hateful as it gets. You cannot get more evil and hate more than that if you wanted to. So why should this god guy be let off the hook when he shouldn't?
    Even better is that evil and hate does not have to exist! Evil and hate is not a need. Its not a necessity its not a requirement. But in god's world it most certainly is. Buddhists, Hindu's, the aborigines, Gaia Mother Earth, and nearly all Native American Indian tribes before the white man sweaty greasy pig christian brethren nearly wiped them out most certainly did NOT nor does NOT practice nor teach evil and hate the ways christians do. Not---even---close. 
  • edited August 2017
    So this is the obnoxiously aggressive anti-theist pikachu mentioned
    "I was trolling you."  - @Erfisflat ;

  • Imbster said:
    Dude @awaketowhere God is both evil and good at the same time not just all malevolent nor all benevolent
    I remember us having a debate where I said that and you disagreed. People can change their opinions, sure, but why the sudden change in opinion? (I am legitimately curious, no hostility intended)
  • The word evil has many different meanings outside of moral evil. The majority of those verses listed can be explained that easily.

    As for the others, some were taken out of context, or have nothing to do with God.
  • @SnakesOfferingApples
    Haha not a sudden change of opinion but he did some things in the bible interpretable  as good and other rather questionable things. Remember the definition of those terms starts with all. All good all evil. Being created in likeness according to catholics, our attributes, his attributes. 
  • If someone creates evil, they are evil.

    God created everything, including evil.

    Therefore God is evil.

  • @Edril If someone creates good, they are good.

    God cre-

    oh wait, I think I'm typing bullsh**
    I come to debate, I stay to troll,
    I leave to think, I return to brawl.
  • @someone234
  • There are not good people or evil people, everyone is selfish and out for what they see as the best means of pleasure.

    God is as helpless in its fate as are we. You can say he's evil for creating evil but then equally he is good so you create an oxymoron since he also created good.
    I come to debate, I stay to troll,
    I leave to think, I return to brawl.
  • EdrilEdril 65 Pts
    edited December 2017


    You don't forgive a murderer who also does good things. Why should we do this for God, the supposedly omnibenevolent, omnipotent and omniscient creator of existence?

  • @Edril yes I do... Don't tell me what I do or don't forgive.
    I come to debate, I stay to troll,
    I leave to think, I return to brawl.
  • @someone234

    Sorry, I should have said most people as well as society as a whole.

    I smell a troll..

    If a person regularly tortures people for no reason but also does nice things, most people would call that person an evil person even though he also does good things.

    God not only admittedly has committed atrocities, but he also watches all evil being done, has the power to stop or even prevent it, but decides not to.

    And all that is besides the fact that ultimately, God is literally the root cause of anything that can be called evil.

  • edited December 2017
    @Edril wrong. If God is the root of all evil, God is the root of God in your model of judgement.
    I come to debate, I stay to troll,
    I leave to think, I return to brawl.
  • EdrilEdril 65 Pts
    edited December 2017


    Most theists believe that God is causa sui (self caused) or that he didn't have a cause....

    so yes, that's what I'm saying.

    If the being you're talking about is contingent, then you're not actually talking about god; you're talking about some lesser being or demi-god.

    There's that troll scent again...

  • edited December 2017
    @Edril God is theoretically the only being to operate in the eleventh dimension. You and I (assuming you are of humankind as I am) are both operating on the 3D plane. We easily can interpret manipulating 3d objects but what we physically interpret is actually 2D this is how a flat screen can show you a movie or game and you can feel as if it totally makes sense as a 3D scene.

    The fourth dimension involves travelling physically through time but 4D beings cannot see time or sense it, they can only perceive it in a physical way that you and I can't even if we did invent a time machine, the machine would be 4D but you and I would remain 3D. The tenth dimension is universe level (it can warp every law of physics as if it was kicking a football). This universe is a ten dimensional being while galaxies are none dimensional, the ninth dimension can't sense other ways the laws of physics are being applied outside of their particular set but what they can do is manipulate everything except gravity and laws of physics.

    The eleventh dimension (which string theorists deny is real but m-theorists support) is the dimension in which the only dimension beyond would be total nothing is that can render any law of physics or even any amount of anything void. It surpasses boundaries of any physical kind and is only real due to the links it makes between universes (versions of reality). 

    So, even if god really is an eleventh dimension entity and that entity is somehow as conscious as you and I, it isn't evil, it is merely carrying out its deterministic duty. It could not  help but enable what you label as evil because it has to run all versions of reality and of course many will contain this supposed evil.
    I come to debate, I stay to troll,
    I leave to think, I return to brawl.
  • Someone deleted my reply to you.
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