Do you agree with Supreme Court ruling against Biden/Harris letting men into girls locker rooms?

Barnardot

@just_sayin ;Do you agree with the ruling?

Well I for one would admit that I would take advantage of such a law. For what it’s worth I would go to the trouble of dressing like a chick and walk funny and talk in a high voice just so I could get in to the female dressing rooms. 

jack

just_sayin said:

Do you agree with the ruling?  Do you think the Biden/Harris Administration knows what a women is?

Hello just_:

That's the wrong question..  In a FREE country, one can BE whatever one wants to BE, as long as they don't require anyone to agree with them..

Ain't freedom great??

If a trans person offends you, rather than outlaw the behavior, just build more bathrooms..  That's how freedom works.  What?  Never heard of the ADA??  For crying out loud, we had to rebuild every doorway, every sidewalk, every stairway, in this entire country.  Making a few bathrooms is easy compared to that.   

But, of course, that's NOT what offends you..  It's that you don't like trans people and you're gonna make life as difficult as you can for them..  I thought a Christian like you, LOVED everybody.  No, huh?

excon

just_sayin

jack said:

just_sayin said:

Do you agree with the ruling?  Do you think the Biden/Harris Administration knows what a women is?

Hello just_:

That's the wrong question..  In a FREE country, one can BE whatever they want to BE, as long as they don't require anyone to agree with them..

Ain't freedom great??

If a trans person offends the government, rather than outlaw the behavior, just build more bathrooms..  That's how freedom works.  But, of course, that's NOT what offends you..  It's that you don't like trans people and you're gonna make life as difficult as you can for them..  I thought a Christian like you, LOVED everybody.  No, huh?

excon

One can BE whatever they want to BE?  Jack if I declare myself the dictator of the country, does that mean you have to do what I say?  No.  I do not have the right to impose my beliefs on someone else.  In the Supreme Court case the victims are girls sports teams who are discriminated against, even though the States split women and men's sports because of the sex differences, girls would be competing against biological men who have an advantage in muscle mass, speed, size, heart size, lung capacity, and length of strides.  That's unfair to women.  Pretending that a biological male is a woman, harms real life women and creates an unfair environment of competition.

In Loudoun county VA, a biological male, who on the day of the sexual assault claimed he was a woman, and who was wearing a skirt, entered a woman's bathroom at a high school, and sexually assaulted a girl.  The school covered up the sexual assault and sent him to another school, where less than 2 weeks later, he assaulted another girl in a girls restroom.  While I am sure transgenders celebrated Loudoun county for pretending that men are women, I don't know if the victims of the sexual assaults would agree.  

Good policies are not designed to feed into other's gender dysphoria, but to protect and ensure the safety of others.  Love doesn't let men sexually assault women in the name of transgender identity.    Love cares about the victims too, @Jack.  

jack

just_sayin said:

One can BE whatever they want to BE?  Jack if I declare myself the dictator of the country, does that mean you have to do what I say?  No.  I do not have the right to impose my beliefs on someone else.

Hello again, just_:

Reading counts..  I wrote the words, "as long as they don't require anyone to agree with them"...  What is it about those words that confuses you??

excon

just_sayin

jack said:

just_sayin said:

One can BE whatever they want to BE?  Jack if I declare myself the dictator of the country, does that mean you have to do what I say?  No.  I do not have the right to impose my beliefs on someone else.

Hello again, just_:

Reading counts..  I wrote the words, as long as they don't require anyone to agree with them...  What is it about those words that confuses you??

excon

@Jack,
In the cases I have mentioned, people are being required to go along with the transgender agenda.  Girls do not have an option.  They have to compete against biological men.  I guess they could not play, but since the state felt to start with that the differences between men and women were so great that they needed a women's team and a men's team, it does seem that they have been discriminated against.  If a girl has to use the restroom or take a shower as part of gym or her participation in sports and a biological male is there, then she is required to go along with his delusion.  What about that confuses you?

jack

just_sayin said:

@Jack,
In the cases I have mentioned, people are being required to go along with the transgender agenda.  

What about that confuses you?

Hello again, just_:

Yes.  People did that.  I'm not talking about what people DID..  I'm talking about what they SHOULD do.  Did that help clear up your confusion?

excon

just_sayin

@jack

If a trans person offends you, rather than outlaw the behavior, just build more bathrooms..  That's how freedom works.  What?  Never heard of the ADA??  For crying out loud, we had to rebuild every doorway, every sidewalk, every stairway, in this entire country.  Making a few bathrooms is easy compared to that.   

But, of course, that's NOT what offends you..  It's that you don't like trans people and you're gonna make life as difficult as you can for them

Jack the average high school in the US is 49 years old.  It is not feasible to make enough single user bathrooms.  Or are you suggesting unisex bathrooms and showers?  

No one is saying that a biological male can't play on a male sports team.  If there is a valid reason to separate men and women's sports in the first place, then there is a valid reason to not allow biological males to play on women's sports teams.  Are you suggesting unisex sports teams?  I hope you will answer my questions, because I think it will help you to see what Biden and Harris can not - that men and women are different.  

jack

just_sayin said:

@jack

Jack the average high school in the US is 49 years old.  It is not feasible to make enough single user bathrooms.  Or are you suggesting unisex bathrooms and showers?

Hello again, just_:

So......  They have to hold it, lie about who they are, or change back??  That's not a solution..  Should they just disappear??

excon 

Bogan

The scariest thing about the US High Court's decision was how close it was.     What percentage of US citizens think like jack is unknown but my hope is that it is infinitesimally small.         The idea that people can change their sex just goes to show the harm caused to human brains by ingesting large amounts of controlled substances.  

Bogan

Bogan

Hey Jack!     The Australian Gran Prix went woke and got rid of their pretty "grid girls" and got "inclusive".    Which act do you prefer?    

Bogan

just_sayin

Bogan said:

OMG.  Its true.

2 women at N.J. prison pregnant after consensual sex between inmates

Barnardot

@just_sayin @Bogan ;OMG.  Its true.

Yes this is what the real world is about with real caring people with real diversity. Not the dum intolerant world that nits make up in there distorted bigoted minds because they cant under stand why every body else is not like them.

Well hooley dooley. How are you going to cope with the world now that you have woken up?

Or is this only a temporary thing because you actually decided to take your meds for once?

just_sayin

Barnardot said:

@just_sayin @Bogan ;OMG.  Its true.

Yes this is what the real world is about with real caring people with real diversity. Not the dum intolerant world that nits make up in there distorted bigoted minds because they cant under stand why every body else is not like them.

Well hooley dooley. How are you going to cope with the world now that you have woken up?

Or is this only a temporary thing because you actually decided to take your meds for once?

Now Bernie, you of all people should know that if you put a roster in a hen house that you are going to get more than eggs.  That's the point.  The reason that women and men aren't in the same prison is because of the increased risks to the safety of the women.  

jack

Bogan said:

 The idea that people can change their sex just goes to show the harm caused to human brains by ingesting large amounts of controlled substances.  

Hello B:

In a FREE society, people can BE anything they wanna BE, as long as they don't require anything from anyone...  It's only 20 words or so, yet you can't grasp it.  You seem to think they require something of you, or they need your permission.  They DON'T.. 

I dunno what's so hard..  I'm just trying to figure out how you're DAMAGED by your neighbor lopping off his tallywacker, and why it's any of your business.  Freedom is messy..  Freedom is hard.  THIS is but one example.  

Yeah..  I DON'T like every decision people make for themselves..  But, in a FREE society, they absolutely CAN.  And, I'd rather live in a FREE society than one designed by you.  

excon

MichaelElpers

@jack

So your solution is anyone can declare to be unique and that grants them the right to a private bathroom?

Who said bathrooms/sports are based on gender?  If they are based on Sex then transgenders dont have to change anything.  Problem solved.

Bogan

Oh wow, Jack, instead of your usual sneery one liners, you are actually trying to debate?    Well, that is a good sign.    But I doubt if you can keep that up.     It requires a quality called “thinking”, and you have a problem with that.  

 

Jack quote   In a FREE society, people can BE anything they wanna BE,

 Rubbish.    In a free society, entire libraries of law books exist which limit the freedoms of everyone.     Nobody can just do whatever they want to do, because they will, and do, infringe upon the freedoms of others.      Laws exist to adjudicate what freedoms an individual may have, and where their individual freedoms must be sublimated to the good of all, in order to create a peaceful and functioning society.     Your “logic” is ridiculous and displays both your low IQ and your inability to understand fundamental concepts.   

 

Jack quote  …… as long as they don't require anything from anyone... 

 Mainly males with mental problems want the rest of society to pander to their delusions by making fundamental changes in society as to how men and women have always been treated throughout the ages.        This minority view is already being taken seriously by Leftist governments who seem to think that the rights of the minorities they champion supersedes that of their own people.     They will pay for that mistake at the next elections, which is why the Left needs to impose political censorship everywhere, and even try to jail their political opponents.      That is called “repression”.   The main victim of your stu-pid idea are women, who make up around 51% of people in western societies.     Women tend to be liberal and “progressive”, but they know that “transgenderism” is a threat to themselves and their daughters.   You and your wacky mates are going to lose this one, Jack.     In a free and democratic society, regardless how the Left tries to oppress the majority to pander to the minority, the minority tail does not wag the majority dog.

 

Jack quote        It's only 20 words or so, yet you can't grasp it. 

 I can grasp it pretty well, which is why I can explain why your thinking is wrong, while all you can do is make airy declarations unsupported by a reasoned argument. 

 

Jack quote   You seem to think they require something of you, or they need your permission.  They DON'T.. 

 If a tiny minority of men with mental problems want to dress up as women, then they are free to do so.      But they will not tell our children in our schools that such behaviour is normal.     They are not going to compete in women’s sports which will destroy women’s sports.    They will use their sex specific bathrooms and changerooms to give women safe spaces from men.        And if they commit a crime, they will go to their sex specific prisons.     And finally, they will not demand that the rest of society must change our language to suit their delusions.

 

Jack quote   I dunno what's so hard..  I'm just trying to figure out how you're DAMAGED by your neighbor lopping off his tallywacker, and why it's any of your business. 

 I think it is great that men with mental problems want to lop of their own “tallywackers.”     That would make it impossible for them to propagate their mental problems by genetically eradicating whatever behavioural problems are the result of a damaged genome.   

 

Jack quote       Yeah..  I DON'T like every decision people make for themselves..  But, in a FREE society, they absolutely CAN. 

 They absolutely can not.       Entire law libraries exist to limit individual freedoms for the good of everybody. 

 

Jack quote       And, I'd rather live in a FREE society than one designed by you. 

 The elected governments of free societies try to give as much individual freedom to their populations as they can.     But it is impossible to create a peaceful and functioning society if everybody just does whatever they like.      Since the beginnings of human existence, males and females have had different roles in society.      We can argue what those roles should be and how they should be applied.      But the idea that a person can change their gender is as idiotic as the idea that they can change their race or their age if they just want to.     A free society will not survive if we fundamentally change the roles of the two sexes in our societies just to pander to a tiny minority people with mental problems.   

Bogan

Just-sayin quote  OMG.  Its true.

Yair.    Exactly the same thing happened in Scotland, which caused the Scottish Chief Minister to resign.        This is what happens when ideology trumps reality.    This is something you should consider when your own Christian ideology trumps the reality that races are different.  

just_sayin

jack said:

just_sayin said:

@jack

Jack the average high school in the US is 49 years old.  It is not feasible to make enough single user bathrooms.  Or are you suggesting unisex bathrooms and showers?

Hello again, just_:

So......  They have to hold it, lie about who they are, or change back??  That's not a solution..  Should they just disappear??

excon 

If they are a biological male, why can't they go to the men's restroom?  It seems to me that you omitted the most logical option.

Bogan

Barnardot

@Bogan Well okay then.
Since your obviously confused about gender why dont you take your own advice and go milk a bull.
May be then it might knock some sents in to you.

Barnardot

@just_sayin ;If they are a biological male, why can't they go to the men's restroom?  It seems to me that you omitted the most logical option.

I think that that is fare enough because even trannies will find it convenient to go in to a men's room and whip out there doolie and p against the wall like guys to do. And they don't have to wait in long queues like chicks do so they can sit down on a loo to p. And also they wont pick up diseases from the seat. Its a win win all round.

Barnardot

@just_sayin ;The reason that women and men aren't in the same prison is because of the increased risks to the safety of the women.  

And what I'm saying is that it makes no difference in practice because every one knows that long term prisoners will end up doing there own sex. Hardened hetero males will start banging the behinds of other guys and attractive hetero bitshes will end up scissoring other chicks.

So then from your point of view then doesn't that make it worse having single sex prisons?

Because look at whats going to happen. When men and women get out they will be bi so they will be going a round doing people of there own sex whereas they would not before they went in to the slammer.

Bogan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uke_KcGUxOs

Bogan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihK2mjK58Zg

Barnardot

@Bogan And as usual you can think of nothing better than to quote an extreme case that has nothing to do with the topic. You are a p poor debater to say the least if the best you can do is only infer an argument and your so called evidence is totally irrelevant and is either extreme or refers to extreme instances. @Bogan

EvePhantom

@just_sayin a man took the women's boxing gold at the Olympics the debate is over the Freaks have won society is finished its all trans last suppers and public freak orgies from here on out.

think where we are right now, when you go for a job interview in 2024 they not only ask you your sexual kink on the application, they go on to apply selection criteria based on a quota for said sexual kink. 

2024 will be remembered as the year outright degeneracy that lead up to nuclear war.

just_sayin

EvePhantom said:

@just_sayin a man took the women's boxing gold at the Olympics the debate is over the Freaks have won society is finished its all trans last suppers and public freak orgies from here on out.

think where we are right now, when you go for a job interview in 2024 they not only ask you your sexual kink on the application, they go on to apply selection criteria based on a quota for said sexual kink. 

2024 will be remembered as the year outright degeneracy that lead up to nuclear war.

If the boxer has XY genes 'she' should not be competing with the women.  

If someone wants to change their name, cut off their breasts, cut off their penis, etc., and they are an adult, it is their life.  However, when they demand that a biological male gets to play against women, or someone can have a penis and shower in the girls locker room, they are imposing their gender dysphoria on others.  In the discussion of the topic, those who side with the transgender person, ignore the victimization of the girls who must compete, and disrobe with the transgender person.  

EvePhantom

@just_sayin what gets me is the fact that women wont stand up for themselves in the face of it, where are all the genuine feminists, had the female opponent facing the male simply stepped out of the ring and refused to fight (in the Olympics) then it would be the Olympics left red faced instead she choose to attempt to fight the male, and as expected lost brutally then cried about it. 

I believe if Real women want to be heard they should talk with their feet, if faced with a trans freak simply walk away, start a trend of walking away and watch as women's sports crumbles, watch as regulators lose funding as DEI hires loose all credibility and as the sports is thrown in to turmoil, from the ashes of a collapsed sporting body we can rebuild a new -anti DEI anti LQBTQFREAKS version of sports as it was before.

Lets start calling these people what they are they are Freaks who want to force their perversions in our faces, so much so even the Gays are turning their backs on the rest of the alphabet soup of degeneracy. at least Gays are human, Trans freaks are somewhere in-between human and non human.

Look at Mulvey for example, Mulvey is a gay man that dresses as a woman (Kink) then try's to date other gay men, you know gay men who are interested in 'other men' now the trans freaks are calling out gay men for not wanting to date trans freaks with weird in your face sexual kinks. 

its a ludicrous scenario we are in a doom loop with no way out.

Barnardot

@just_sayin ;they are imposing their gender dysphoria on others.

That is only your inaccurate and anti social observation. In actual fact society accepts people for what they are and it is you who is imposing your ignorance and dysphoria on descent normal people. 

Remember it is you that has the sexual deviance problem of not accepting people who are not like you and it is up to you to change your ways not the other way round.

just_sayin

Barnardot said:

@just_sayin ;they are imposing their gender dysphoria on others.

That is only your inaccurate and anti social observation. In actual fact society accepts people for what they are and it is you who is imposing your ignorance and dysphoria on descent normal people. 

Remember it is you that has the sexual deviance problem of not accepting people who are not like you and it is up to you to change your ways not the other way round.

Bernie,  you are right that the transgender person does have rights and interests also.  However ze/zhe isn't the only one with rights.  That's what gets forgotten.  The women who have to compete against a biological man have rights also.  And they are not allowed to compete on an equal grounds with other biological women.  A biological man, on average, is taller, faster, stronger, has greater muscle mass, has a larger heart, has greater lung capacity, and has longer strides.  It isn't fair to them to compete against a biological male.

The reason that there are girl locker rooms and showers and not uni-sex locker rooms and showers is for the protection and interests of the girls.  

EvePhantom

@Barnardot said: "That is only your inaccurate and anti social observation. In actual fact society accepts people for what they are and it is you who is imposing your ignorance and dysphoria on descent normal people. Remember it is you that has the sexual deviance problem of not accepting people who are not like you and it is up to you to change your ways not the other way round."

The Light Blue on a Trans flag represents 'MAPS' the Trans Freaks would like MAPS 'included' in societal norm.

do you Barnardot believe MAPS should be included in societal norm? 

Barnardot

@EvePhantom ;do you Barnardot believe MAPS should be included in societal norm? The Light Blue on a Trans flag represents 'MAPS' the Trans Freaks would like MAPS 'included' in societal norm.

Okay your got me here. I don't know what MAPS means. Can you please explain then I can make a comment?

I have never come across any "Trans Freaks" either. Can you tell me where they are?

Barnardot

@just_sayin ;The reason that there are girl locker rooms and showers and not uni-sex locker rooms and showers is for the protection and interests of the girls.  

I do get your point there and I suppose there is no one definitive answer for this dilemma and the direction I'm going with it has retched its end.  All I can say is that when I went to school we had one tall skinny guy in our class. He was really nice and very talkative  but he all ways identified with the girls and constantly talked about girly bitshy things with all the girls in the play ground. They felt comfortable with him and accepted him just like a girl. But I know those girls would have felt comfortable with him hanging out in there locker rooms.

just_sayin

Barnardot said:

@just_sayin ;The reason that there are girl locker rooms and showers and not uni-sex locker rooms and showers is for the protection and interests of the girls.  

I do get your point there and I suppose there is no one definitive answer for this dilemma and the direction I'm going with it has retched its end.  All I can say is that when I went to school we had one tall skinny guy in our class. He was really nice and very talkative  but he all ways identified with the girls and constantly talked about girly bitshy things with all the girls in the play ground. They felt comfortable with him and accepted him just like a girl. But I know those girls would have felt comfortable with him hanging out in there locker rooms.

TRIGGER WARNING: Talking about manhood in this post (Sorry in advance little @Dee, super-close buddy of @Joeseph.  I know discussions of manhood, make you feel like you don't measure up - but its necessary in this instance.)

Bernie, so you don't think that if your 'friend' went into the girls locker room and took his closes off in front of the other girls, and let his manhood hang out, it would have made them uncomfortable?  I question your opinion if you think that.

The issue is that when transgender persons participate in girls sports, or enter girls showers or locker rooms, that it is women who are discriminated against.  They are forced to compete against biological men.  This costs them victories, championships, and scholarships.  Being naked in front of 'girls' with functioning penises makes them vulnerable and uncomfortable, and possible victims, as the Loudoun county VA sexual assaults and coverups prove.  

Barnardot

@just_sayin ;so you don't think that if your 'friend' went into the girls locker room and took his closes off in front of the other girls, and let his manhood hang out, it would have made them uncomfortable?

Well I reckon that they would need a magnifying glass to see it any way. But thats the thing. I dont think they would even give a shite any way. The only people who think about that sort of thing are sexual perverts and people who have had sexual perversion drummed in to them since they were born like Goddists for example.

So then we get to the argument of should we have our lives and what we do be influenced by the exceptions in society?

I really think that the way sexuality is going it wont be long before gender segregation won't exist and if your in a room full of naked people with there doolies and twats showing then so what? its these prudish nits who are really at fault by thinking that all of a sudden your going to get multiple gang bangs going on in that room. And it is only because they have perverted thoughts.

 May be if we are going to have any segregation at all it should be Religious and Normal. So then all the Religious locker rooms would have individual cubicles with men in one building and women in the other building and no one is allowed to talk in case you offend some one. 

Then you get the Normal locker rooms where you get guys and chicks chucking tampons a round and flicking towels and having a good laugh. And the furtherest thing on there minds is going to be any thing about gender and whats between there legs or on there chests. They are all intelligent normal human beings who aren't brain washed with disgusting thoughts that make them perverted.

Joeseph

@just_sayin

Ha , Ha good ole Just lyin still totally obsessed with Dee the guy did some job on you he's gone a year and you're still totally obsessed with him you mention him every day........also you're still very upset the guy called you on your countless unfounded claims , you really need to come to terms with that.

On the other hand  your  unfortunate father only recently passed and you honour his memory by spewing your bile and hate at others on site ,you honestly claim to be a christian who believes in the afterlife and believe your father's watching from heaven and proud of you , seriously? 

I remember the day after your father died you were on here spitting hate and anger at me, pretty shameful behaviour pissing on your unfortunate father's memory without a care .....but hey you're a big tough guy right?

I've never come across hatred like an American Republican  christians it's different level.

just_sayin

Joeseph said:

@just_sayin

Ha , Ha good ole Just lyin still totally obsessed with Dee the guy did some job on you he's gone a year and you're still totally obsessed with him you mention him every day........also you're still very upset the guy called you on your countless unfounded claims , you really need to come to terms with that.

On the other hand  your  unfortunate father only recently passed and you honour his memory by spewing your bile and hate at others on site ,you honestly claim to be a christian who believes in the afterlife and believe your father's watching from heaven and proud of you , seriously? 

I remember the day after your father died you were on here spitting hate and anger at me, pretty shameful behaviour pissing on your unfortunate father's memory without a care .....but hey you're a big tough guy right?

I've never come across hatred like an American Republican  christians it's different level.

Hey @Joeseph, good to hear from you.  

Obsessed with Little @Dee?  Nah.  Just caring enough to post a trigger warning so he could avoid the topic and not be traumatized by non-micro manhood.  You seem a little traumatized to me.  You shouldn't take Little @Dees little d personally.  

jack

Argument Topic: Recap

Hello:

To recap the argument, my default is to mind my own business.  Yours is to stick your nose into anybody's business that you don't like.  As a Constitution loving American patriot, I cannot believe what I'm reading.. Freedom is hard.  When people are free, they'll do something you don't like.  And, as long as they don't require anything of you, they're FREE to do it..

I dunno why, but nobody understands what those words mean..... as long as they don't require you to agree with it. 

Those words form the basis for my argument.  If I want to BE a fire hydrant, and I require NOTHING of you, WHO in the hell are you to tell me I'm NOT a fire hydrant.  Oh, you can yell at me..  You can call me nuts.  But don't you dare take away my right to declare myself a fire hydrant.  

And, I wanna know what is it about freedom that you don't understand???

excon

just_sayin

Barnardot said:

@just_sayin ;so you don't think that if your 'friend' went into the girls locker room and took his closes off in front of the other girls, and let his manhood hang out, it would have made them uncomfortable?

Well I reckon that they would need a magnifying glass to see it any way. But thats the thing. I dont think they would even give a shite any way. The only people who think about that sort of thing are sexual perverts and people who have had sexual perversion drummed in to them since they were born like Goddists for example.

So then we get to the argument of should we have our lives and what we do be influenced by the exceptions in society?

I really think that the way sexuality is going it wont be long before gender segregation won't exist and if your in a room full of naked people with there doolies and twats showing then so what? its these prudish nits who are really at fault by thinking that all of a sudden your going to get multiple gang bangs going on in that room. And it is only because they have perverted thoughts.

 May be if we are going to have any segregation at all it should be Religious and Normal. So then all the Religious locker rooms would have individual cubicles with men in one building and women in the other building and no one is allowed to talk in case you offend some one. 

Then you get the Normal locker rooms where you get guys and chicks chucking tampons a round and flicking towels and having a good laugh. And the furtherest thing on there minds is going to be any thing about gender and whats between there legs or on there chests. They are all intelligent normal human beings who aren't brain washed with disgusting thoughts that make them perverted.

Bernie,  now I'm sure a lot of guys would love to shower and change with a room full of girls.  I don't doubt that there are some girls who wouldn't mind that also.  However, I think in general, most girls might feel uncomfortable having guys look at them while they are naked in a public shower or locker room. 

So then we get to the argument of should we have our lives and what we do be influenced by the exceptions in society?

Showers, locker rooms and most bathrooms in the US are segregated into men and women's facilities.  It seems kind of ridiculous to think of biological sex as an exception - it is the norm. 

Tell me chicken plucker, do you separate the roosters from the hens at your chicken plant?  If so, why? 

 Then you get the Normal locker rooms where you get guys and chicks chucking tampons a round and flicking towels and having a good laugh.

So you are throwing used tampons around and flicking towels at girls?  This is why you never get a second date.

And the furtherest thing on there minds is going to be any thing about gender and whats between there legs or on there chests. 

On average, men think about sex approximately 19 times a day. This statistic comes from a study conducted by researchers at Ohio State University, which used clickers to track the frequency of thoughts about sex among college students. The study found that men reported thinking about sex more frequently than women, who averaged about 10 thoughts per day.

So tell me, Bernie, how many times would those clickers go off, if guys are watching a group of girls get naked and showering, while they are getting naked and showering with these girls?  Do you think the number of clicks would go up?  I do, and I think something else might go up as well. 

just_sayin

jack said:

Hello:

To recap the argument, my default is to mind my own business.  Yours is to stick your nose everywhere.  As a Constitution loving American patriot, I cannot believe what I'm reading.. Freedom is hard.  When people are free, they'll do something you don't like.  And, as long as they don't require you to agree with it, they're FREE to do it..

I dunno why, but nobody understands what those words mean..... as long as they don't require you to agree with it. 

Those words form the basis for my statement.  If I want to BE a fire hydrant, and I required NOTHING of you, WHO in the hell are you to tell me I'm NOT a fire hydrant.  Oh, you can yell at me..  You can call me nuts.  But don't you dare take away my right to declare myself a fire hydrant.  

And, I wanna know what is it about freedom that you don't understand???

excon

Jack, in the specific cases of 1) a biological man competing on a woman's sports team, 2) a biological man showering and changing in a women's locker room and shower, where do you stand?  (And please don't tell me "In front of the naked girls".)  I am seriously, trying to understand what your position is on this issue.  

Joeseph

@just_sayin

You're making your old man proud again ,is that where you got your hatred and bigotry from ......like father like son .....you seem to be at " the angry at god part of your pretend" grief ......you cannot blame everyone for your ole man croaking it you know God only cures drunks like the one at Calenda .....its gotta hurt ......

jack

just_sayin said:

Jack, in the specific cases of 1) a biological man competing on a woman's sports team, 2) a biological man showering and changing in a women's locker room and shower, where do you stand?  (And please don't tell me "In front of the naked girls".)  I am seriously, trying to understand what your position is on this issue.  

Hello just_:

Their are TWO parts to this discussion.. (1) the condition of BEing transgender,   And, (2) what we DO  about the condition called transgender.

From my standpoint, if transgender people don't require anything of me, I say we do NOTHING.   After all, it's not them who're complaining about showers and toilets.. It's everybody else.  At the minimum, we can do shower time, and pee time, so nobody runs into each other.  We could offer trans sports.. 

But, we're certainly not going to outlaw the condition called transgender.  This IS America, after all..

excon

just_sayin

jack said:

just_sayin said:

Jack, in the specific cases of 1) a biological man competing on a woman's sports team, 2) a biological man showering and changing in a women's locker room and shower, where do you stand?  (And please don't tell me "In front of the naked girls".)  I am seriously, trying to understand what your position is on this issue.  

Hello just_:

Their are TWO parts to this discussion.. (1) the condition of BEing transgender,   And, (2) what we DO  about the condition called transgender.

From my standpoint, if transgender people don't require anything of me, I say we do NOTHING.   After all, it's not them who're complaining about showers and toilets.. It's everybody else.  At the minimum, we can do shower time, and pee time, so nobody runs into each other.  We could offer trans sports.. 

But, we're certainly not going to outlaw the condition called transgender.  This IS America, after all..

excon

Jack,  I'm not aware of anyone outlawing an adult being transgender.  No some places have put restrictions upon minors getting their breasts or penises cut off, and some others have restricted puberty blocking drugs because of the irreversible negative effects that they may have on adolescents.  

The question isn't 'do you think transgenders have a right to be transgender', but it is much more specific and focused.  The question of whether a biological male can play in women's sports is a question that must consider the interests of the transgender person against the interests of the women.  Are you trying to skirt that discussion? Because it comes off as if that is the case.  The same goes for transgenders in women's locker rooms and bathrooms.  

You said that if if doesn't require anything of YOU you don't think we should do anything.  Does that mean that you think it is OK for biological males to compete in women's sports because it does not personally affect YOU?

Barnardot

@just_sayin ;However, I think in general, most girls might feel uncomfortable having guys look at them while they are naked in a public shower or locker room. 

That’s right. It’s what you think but I think that if you ask most girls and most guys they could not give a stuff. And if they do feel uncomfortable it’s only because they are holding old fashioned values in there noggins. 

And sure I’m going to have a go at religion for promoting such old values that serve only to divide people by telling them that it is dirty to be naked. 

But just like our attitudes to gays our attitude to girls and guys is changing as we get rid of those irrelevant religious derived views that keep hanging on in society.

just_sayin

Barnardot said:

@just_sayin ;However, I think in general, most girls might feel uncomfortable having guys look at them while they are naked in a public shower or locker room. 

That’s right. It’s what you think but I think that if you ask most girls and most guys they could not give a stuff. And if they do feel uncomfortable it’s only because they are holding old fashioned values in there noggins. 

And sure I’m going to have a go at religion for promoting such old values that serve only to divide people by telling them that it is dirty to be naked. 

But just like our attitudes to gays our attitude to girls and guys is changing as we get rid of those irrelevant religious derived views that keep hanging on in society.

Bernie,  I don't doubt that you want girls to get naked in front of you.  I just am not convinced that girls want to get naked in front of you or to see you naked.  Here's an idea, why don't you take a poll of 1000 women and ask them 'Would you be OK with me watching you get naked in a locker room, and us taking a shower together?" Bring me back those results, and video clips of their response, and we will talk then. LOL

I especially want to see how many women go Old Testament on your a**.  

just_sayin

Most Americans oppose including trans athletes in sports, poll finds

What's sad though is that 30% of people think it is OK to discriminate against women by letting a biological male compete against them.  

Barnardot

@just_sayin ;Bernie,  I don't doubt that you want girls to get naked in front of you.

Not really. In fact if you see most of the chicks wobbling down the street nowadays, I would most likely tell them to put their clothes back on.

What I'm trying to get across is that you could take all the polls you want and sure you are going to get girls saying "no way Hozay, I'm not going in to mixed locker rooms". But if you did chuck everyone into one locker room I'm sure the shock will wear off after about 30 seconds and everyone in the locker room will just accept it.

And here we go on the religious soap box again but I'll say it again. The only ones who are going to clamp up and put there arms over there boobies are the religious chicks because they have been taught that the human body is dirty and it is shameful to show it.

The fact is that all over the world there are more and more same gender bathrooms and changing rooms and before long it will be the norm. Except for those who think that there bodies are dirty and that there being shameful. But the only thing we can do about that is ban religion so that people stop going a round with such bent ideas.

brady1013

@jack It seems that you're saying that more bathrooms should be built for exclusively trans people. However, this is not the question. The question is whether or not you believe that trans males can go into women's locker rooms.