Does The Quran Mention Palestine?

Barnardot

@JulesKorngold ;Nope.  It mentions Israel many times.

Does the Quran mention cars?

Nope. It mentions horses and carts many times.

So what anyway. What are you trying to say?

Fredsnephew

Argument Topic: Hey Jules.

@JulesKorngold


Whilst providing one with a lot of misinformation,

Middle Eastern folk tales miss out rather a lot of information.

Joeseph

From the Bible .....

Philistia [N] [S] =Palestine (q.v.), "the land of the Philistines" ( Psalms 60:8 ; 87:4 ; 108:9 ). The word is supposed to mean "the land of wanderers" or "of strangers."

and ........what ? You're welcome .......

7 Quran Verses About Palestine

Surah Al-Isra (17:1)

Surah Al-Anibya (21:71)

Surah Al-Baqarah (2:286)

Surah At-Tawbah (9:51)

Surah Ash-Sharh (94:5-6)

Surah Al-Baqarah (2:45)

Surah Al-Imran (3:139)

Our book for Palestine.

Factfinder

Joeseph said:

From the Bible .....

Philistia [N] [S] =Palestine (q.v.), "the land of the Philistines" ( Psalms 60:8 ; 87:4 ; 108:9 ). The word is supposed to mean "the land of wanderers" or "of strangers."

and ........what ? You're welcome .......

7 Quran Verses About Palestine

Surah Al-Isra (17:1)

Surah Al-Anibya (21:71)

Surah Al-Baqarah (2:286)

Surah At-Tawbah (9:51)

Surah Ash-Sharh (94:5-6)

Surah Al-Baqarah (2:45)

Surah Al-Imran (3:139)

Our book for Palestine.

I'm familiar with the bible and it's history of translations from different languages so the Philistine connection I get.

I'm totally clueless on the quran though. I looked up the verses you supplied and I can't see the connection. It could just be my ignorance of the quran though so can you explain the context of those verses as they specifically relate to Palestine?

At the end of the day they're both nutty books that cause a lot of misery but curious minds want to know. LOL

just_sayin

@Joeseph
Maybe you can explain the connection.  I didn't see it.  

7 Quran Verses About Palestine

Surah Al-Isra (17:1)

Exalted is He who took His Servant by night from al-Masjid al-Haram to al-Masjid al- Aqsa, whose surroundings We have blessed, to show him of Our signs. Indeed, He is the Hearing, the Seeing.

Surah Al-Anibya (21:71)

And We delivered him and Lot to the land which We had blessed for the worlds.

Surah Al-Baqarah (2:286)

“On no soul doth Allah Place a burden greater than it can bear. It gets every good that it earns, and it suffers every ill that it earns. (Pray:) “Our Lord! Condemn us not if we forget or fall into error; our Lord! Lay not on us a burden Like that which Thou didst lay on those before us; Our Lord! Lay not on us a burden greater than we have strength to bear. Blot out our sins, and grant us forgiveness. Have mercy on us. Thou art our Protector; Help us against those who stand against faith.”

Surah At-Tawbah (9:51)

Say: “Nothing will happen to us except what Allah has decreed for us: He is our protector”: and on Allah let the Believers put their trust.

Surah Ash-Sharh (94:5-6)

Indeed, there is ease with hardship. Most certainly, there is ease with hardship.

Surah Al-Baqarah (2:45)

And seek help through patience and prayer, and indeed, it is difficult except for the humbly submissive [to Allah]

Surah Al-Imran (3:139)

So lose not heart, nor fall into despair: For ye must gain mastery if ye are true in Faith.

Our book for Palestine.

Muslim clerics say the word 'Palestine' does not appear in the text.  Now locations that are in modern Palestinian territory do appear, but the term 'Palestine' does not.

Where did you get your verses from?   

JulesKorngold

Argument Topic: Nope

Joeseph said:

From the Bible .....

Philistia [N] [S] =Palestine (q.v.), "the land of the Philistines" ( Psalms 60:8 ; 87:4 ; 108:9 ). The word is supposed to mean "the land of wanderers" or "of strangers."

and ........what ? You're welcome .......

7 Quran Verses About Palestine

Surah Al-Isra (17:1)

Surah Al-Anibya (21:71)

Surah Al-Baqarah (2:286)

Surah At-Tawbah (9:51)

Surah Ash-Sharh (94:5-6)

Surah Al-Baqarah (2:45)

Surah Al-Imran (3:139)

Our book for Palestine.

Those verses don't mention Palestine.  Try using a chatbot next time.

Joeseph

@JulesKorngold


I did.....so take it out on the chat bot.......

Phite

Is it true that the Israelis made the desert bloom?  Or or that just another shameless lie designed to marginalize the Palestinians?  I'm thinking it's the latter . . .

Barnardot

@JulesKorngold ;Nope.  It mentions Israel many times.

Without having red said book I’m sure that it mentioned Israel so many times to report what big nosed self centered murderous bastards they are.

JulesKorngold

@Barnardot
Is that what you resort to when you can't think of anything intelligent to say?

Factfinder

Joeseph said:

@JulesKorngold


I did.....so take it out on the chat bot.......

LOL well that explains it. 

Barnardot

@Factfinder @Joseph ;I looked up the verses you supplied and I can't see the connection.

Your got to be very careful about clicking on the links that eventually go to an extreme scam website. Lierer Boy has a horrible habit of doing it and this one is no exception. Just do not click on his link traps at all.

Barnardot

@JulesKorngold ;Is that what you resort to when you can't think of anything intelligent to say?

Well I do see what you mean there and I suppose your right. Its just that I replied to a post that didn't say any thing intelligent so I got pulled down in to the trap of replying the same way.

Thanks for the tip. I will restrain my self from doing it again.

Joeseph

@Factfinder

IF JK think chatbots win the day let him argue with them. .... fire with fire .....

Joeseph

@Barnardot

All you ever say regards every article quoted " "its from a scam site" and "don't press on the link" ......

I didn't supply a link you Troll also if I'm lying prove it ? 

You never back any of your claims up because you cant

Joeseph

@just_sayin

You never addressed the biblical reference whys that? Jesus was Palestinian you don't mention that either whys that?

Also take it up  with the chat bot

What was Palestine called in Bible times?

the Holy Land

This country received the name of Palestine, from the Philistines, who dwelt on the sea coast: it was called Judea, from Judah: and is termed the Holy Land, being the country where Jesus Christ was born, preached his holy doctrines, confirmed them by miracles, and laid down his life for mankind.

just_sayin

Joeseph said:

@just_sayin

You never addressed the biblical reference whys that? Jesus was Palestinian you don't mention that either whys that?

Also take it up  with the chat bot

What was Palestine called in Bible times?

the Holy Land

This country received the name of Palestine, from the Philistines, who dwelt on the sea coast: it was called Judea, from Judah: and is termed the Holy Land, being the country where Jesus Christ was born, preached his holy doctrines, confirmed them by miracles, and laid down his life for mankind.

The Bible doesn't call it Palestine, but 'Plalestinia' in Psalms - or land of the Philistines.  The land was conquered by David and thereafter it is no longer the land of the Philistines.

What was Palestine called in Bible times?  Israel.  Again, David conquered the Philistines and its cities became part of Israel.  The first clear use of 'Palestine' is by Egypt in the 5th century BCE.  Or about 500 years after David.

Judah refers to the 2 southern tribes after Israel split in 2.  And yes, Jerusalem and Bethlehem are in the Judah region.  Jerusalem and Bethlehem are not near the coast but centrally located.  The are closer to the Jordan River than the sea.  

Joeseph

@just_sayin

Blah ,blah  blah .....m

Barnardot

@Joeseph ; All you ever say regards every article quoted " "its from a scam site" and "don't press on the link" .

Let's just clarify that. It is every "article" quoted by YOU that is the problem. You cannot be trusted, period.

I didn't supply a link you Troll also if I'm lying prove it ? 

That's right. No you didn't and I didn't say you did supply a link did I lierer boy? I said: "Your got to be very careful about clicking on the links that eventually go to an extreme scam website" And the website that anyone goes onto where those Quran verses came from is an extreme scam website. I checked it and another member complained about it. And if you think that for one minute that I'm going to post that link to show you, it is not going to happen because I, like most other honest people don't do such things.

Once again, you have been caught red-handed. Everyone here knows about your continuous dishonesty and deceitfulness, and you know it.

You will be caught out each and every time you try your nasty little tricks.

Joeseph

@Barnardot

Ha , Ha as predicted and right on cue everything you disagree with is from a " scam site" and everyone you disagree with is a " lier" .....same ole dumbo Barny Barndoor

Phite

Gee, I wonder if the Israelis are going to "democratically" steal Gaza's offshore gas and oil deposits like they "democratically" throw Palestinian children into prisons without charge and abuse them there.  I also wonder whether or not the Israelis have "democratically" set up prisons to torture detained Palestinians.

Just kidding.  Nobody with even just half the sense god gave a goose could be in the dark about what Israel is now.  Undeniable true colors . . .

Anyway, even assuming that Palestine never existed in name, does that mean that the Palestinian people do not exist and don't live there?

Why do the Israelis hate Palestinian children?  Is that racist, or what?

Barnardot

@Joeseph ;as predicted and right on cue everything you disagree with is from a " scam site"  and everyone you disagree with

No not at all. Its only you who posts scam sites and I might agree with you but the point is that you use dishonest tricks to make your point and you have next to no debating skills at all which is probably why you do it. Other than that I reckon that you have a screw loose to blatantly lie so much.

I disagree with heaps of stuff here but I debate and argue with others in an honest way just like they do.

Joeseph

@Barnardot

Stop with the lies , I debate all.the time you don't because you're incapable.

You rarely take part in debate because you're unintelligent and a troll you accuse everyone of using scam sites and lying and.you never once post links to back your rubbish up.

You do have my sympathy though as I didn't know you suffered from severe disabilities so I get it why you lash out.

Bogan

@Phite ;    Nobody with even just half the sense god gave a goose could be in the dark about what Israel is now.  

Yeah, the only decent country to live in in the entire Middle East.   Your religion stinks and it has failed you Arabs miserably.        Stop thinking jihad and start thinking science.    

Phite

You sound like someone who wants to disprove what I've said about Israel's "democratic" abusive imprisonment of children without charge, and their "democratic" homosexual torture of Palestinian detainees with metal bars, but who also understands the folly of attempting to disprove facts.  You also understand the folly of defending the indecency I've mentioned.

Zatrite?

Bogan

@Phite ; If somebody declares that they intend to exterminate my country, don't expect me or my countrymen to be nice to them.      Reform your damned religion.   It may have been a successful way of life for camel train raiding slavers 1400 years ago, but it is well and truly obsolete today.   The more Muslim a county is, the more of a sheethole it is.    

Factfinder

Bogan said:

@Phite ; If somebody declares that they intend to exterminate my country, don't expect me or my countrymen to be nice to them.      Reform your damned religion.   It may have been a successful way of life for camel train raiding slavers 1400 years ago, but it is well and truly obsolete today.   The more Muslim a county is, the more of a sheethole it is.    

LOL good point. And you didn't need 100 words or more, a 'sneery one liner' seems to have made your case. Imagine that. 

EvePhantom

@JulesKorngold: So the Koran is Israel's accurate archaeological dating method that is offered as proof of their existence? yet we know for a fact that Jerusalem was a city state during the medieval era, before this it was a roman colony and before this it was Palestine as the 'holy texts' hadn't been written yet.

so is Israel really is 'Israel' where was 'Israel' before the holy texts arrived? un like Israel, Palestine dates back 10000 years. The Er-Ram Mask (physical archaeology) confirms this. 

 

EvePhantom

@JulesKorngold: for an atheist you sure do rely alot upon the holy texts as 'foundation' for your beliefs
 

JulesKorngold

Argument Topic: Not Quite

@EvePhantom
While the land that is now called Palestine has indeed been inhabited for over 10,000 years, the name "Palestine" and the concept of a distinct Palestinian identity or political entity are much more recent developments. 

EvePhantom

@JulesKorngold the idea of identify itself is a recent premise for example kamala is called out for being Indian/Jamaican Black instead of 'Jim Crowe' Black, identity is the sickness. the Palestinians have been present in that land for thousands of years what is out of place in the 'middle east' is the white 'American' Jews with their western ways and philosophy's quite literally a cancer like growth that has been killing its 'Muslim host' since it first took hold of the artery that is Jerusalem.

Israel had the option to peacefully coexist in 1948 instead it chose the biblical approach of 'nakba' just as European crusaders choses to 'cleanse' all other religions in the city state when they took it, just as the romans chose to murder Jesus freeing Barabbas to the war like Hebrews. the only people that didn't let the blood of other religions when they took the city was the ottomans (Turks) they chose to allow a degree of religious freedom and practice in the city, this is still present today all be it not as free under western leadership

Jews are just White people with funny hats, they don't have the melanin required to be considered 'ethnic' to the region, they appear to be of European decent specifically the Khazar region of Europe. 

History is not on the side of Israel, Israel has no 'proof' of Israel's existence pre 1948, before then Israel did not exists as 'Israel'     

JulesKorngold

Argument Topic: Totally Wrong Propaganda

@EvePhantom said:  History is not on the side of Israel, Israel has no 'proof' of Israel's existence pre 1948, before then Israel did not exists as 'Israel'   

1. While the modern State of Israel was established in 1948, the concept of Israel and Jewish presence in the region has a much longer history:

- Historians and archaeologists agree that the northern Kingdom of Israel existed by ca. 900 BCE and the Kingdom of Judah existed by ca. 850 BCE [3].

- The region has been central to Jewish history, culture, and religion for thousands of years, with archaeological evidence supporting Jewish presence and kingdoms in ancient times.

2. The name "Israel" itself predates 1948:

- The term "Israel" has been used historically to refer to the Jewish people and their ancestral homeland, not just the modern state.

- Biblical and extra-biblical sources mention Israel as a people and a land long before the modern era.

3. Pre-1948 Jewish presence and development:

- By the end of the British Mandate period in 1948, there were already 600,000 Jews living in the land, with significant communities in Jerusalem, Tel Aviv, and other areas [1].

- Jewish immigration and land purchases were changing the region throughout the early 20th century, even under Ottoman rule [1].

4. International recognition:

- The Balfour Declaration of 1917 supported the establishment of a "national home for the Jewish people" in Palestine [4].

- The League of Nations Mandate for Palestine in 1922 incorporated the Balfour Declaration, giving international recognition to the concept of a Jewish homeland in the region.

5. Continuous Jewish connection:

- Despite periods of exile and diaspora, there has been a continuous Jewish presence in the land for thousands of years, maintaining a cultural and religious connection to the region.

While it's true that the modern State of Israel as a political entity did not exist before 1948, the historical, cultural, and religious connections of the Jewish people to the land have deep roots that predate the establishment of the modern state. Your claim oversimplifies a complex historical narrative that spans thousands of years.

Citations:

[1] https://honestreporting.com/land-of-israel-before-1948/

[2] https://study.com/academy/lesson/the-creation-of-israel-in-1948-timeline-resulting-conflicts.html

[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Israel

[4] https://history.state.gov/milestones/1945-1952/creation-israel

[5] https://www.pcrf.net/information-you-should-know/what-was-palestine-before-1948.html

[6] https://decolonizepalestine.com/myth/my-people-were-here-before-your-people/

[7] https://www.heyalma.com/israel-guide/history-of-israel-palestine-before-1948/

[8] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_State_of_Palestine

EvePhantom

@JulesKorngold Below is a map of the dividing line between what is considered to be the 'Northern Kingdom of Israel" and the roman province of Judea.. You will note that (Roman) Judea encompasses all of the city of Jerusalem. what you will also note is the Gaza Strip is not part of Judea or the Northern Kingdom of Israel, the west bank is mostly within the roman province of Judea.

Your logic being as it is sees the "Northern Kingdom of Israel" as proof of Israel's claim to Judea and the Gaza strip what you fail to note is that Israel even in a historical sense doesn't touch the borders of the Gaza strip or even Jerusalem itself for that matter. even the ancient ancient Kingdom of Judah doesn't touch the Gaza strip now ask yourself ..

if nobody lived in the Gaza strip (as Israelis would have us believe) why didn't Judea encompass the Gaza strip as part of its territory, historically Gaza was founded 3522years ago the 'Ancient Kingdom of Judah' (Judea) was founded 3073 years ago 

The Palestinian claim the region predates the existence of Judea (or any sense of an Israeli identity) by some 449years that's almost twice as long as the entire existence of America the 252year old country tryna tell the rest of the world what its history is!



    

Phite

Bogan said:

@Phite ; If somebody declares that they intend to exterminate my country, don't expect me or my countrymen to be nice to them.  

You're defending racist illegal occupiers who erect illegal settlements, abuse Palestinian children in prisons, stick metal bars up the asses of Palestinians being detained, and who are now committing war crimes against innocent Gazans.

You know you're a hopeless racist when you applaud and defend that kind of . . . thing.  And judging from your post, you would have been happy to help hold the guy still while the metal rod is inserted up his .  

EvePhantom

@Bogan

Israel’s finance minister, Bezalel Smotrich, sparked international outrage after he said on Wednesday: “No one in the world will allow us to starve 2 million people, even though it might be justified and moral in order to free the hostages.”

Your own logic in mind:

"If somebody declares that they intend to exterminate my country, don't expect me or my countrymen to be nice to them." 

in the situation where Israel "declares that they intend to exterminate" the double standard in your view point becomes visible. its not that it is wrong (we have had discussion on racism) it just that it is a visible double standard and there for detrimental to a 'moral argument'

EvePhantom

@Phite I would describe conditions in Palestine as an identikit to concentration camps, the harrowing images of mass starvation are equal in magnitude to that of the holocaust, in fact they could be described as more harrowing in that these war crimes are committed by the sons, daughters and grandchildren of the holocaust victims

a moral monstrosity 

a lesson in humanity and hope tossed aside by ungrateful modern Israeli brats 'tic-toking' their war crimes for all to see, a visit to the camps in Germany as children seemingly not enough to dissuade them away from they type of violence perpetrated against their forefathers by their arch enemy, the greatest enemy of humanity itself 'genocide' 

unfortunately for Israel this will be their last war as nobody has the money or the will to come to their aid when they inevitably run out of the money required to maintain war, 40000+ businesses bankrupt in Israel as men are sent to fight the 40 or so Hamas fighters still fighting in the Gaza strip , an economy in tatters, foreign assistance drying up, friends few, enemy's many, Hezbollah fires a $30 drone Israel responds with a $50,000 iron dome missile, each intercept costing $50k 'The economics just don't stand up'  worst part is international pressure will force Israel to cover up their crimes in Gaza post war by rebuilding it another massive expense for a crippled economy.

the war mongers forgot the economy that was bankrolling them and their wars, now they are stuck in a 'forever war' with only one way it ends, Israel's total economic collapse in to a failed state.

Bye Israel back to the 'non-existence' from which you came ironically by your own blood soaked hands. 

Phite

@EvePhantom

UN and World Health Organization (WHO) officials also called for two one-week ceasefires so they can vaccinate 600,000 children in Gaza.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c2kjzk75eplo

Gotta get those kids vaccinated as they're dying from bombs, starvation, and disease so that Israel can get back to committing war crimes against them.

The U.S. and Israel are partners in crime.

EvePhantom

@Phite

we are in full agreement, the vaccination program is likely an attempt by western powers to cover for malnutrition outcomes with myocarditis outcomes that can be blamed on 'covid' (a 'reportable numbers reduction exercise)

the unspeakable horrors inflicted upon the Palestinian people as part of a genocide spanning decades are beyond just mere war crimes, to be perpetrated by those who once called them selves 'victims' of genocide makes the narrative building for the existence of Israel an act of pure evil manifest.

imagine convincing the children of holocaust victims that committing genocide is 'ok' this is the legacy of the Israeli state, if anybody should know what comes next its the Israelis as I am sure they are aware 'concentration camps' don't last forever, eventually a 'liberator' comes along and smashes the 'evil' in to dust

Israel wont economically last past 2026, this is already guaranteed, we have the Maccabee pleasure of observing a war criminal state stumble and fall in to oblivion all because it couldn't recognize that its actions where wrong and a disgusting  affront to humanity itself.          

RickeyHoltsclaw

@EvePhantom @Phite ; Palestine is a "created" state...Palestinian's voted 70+% to have HAMAS as their "political" leadership knowing that HAMAS is a radical, fanatical, Iranian proxy terrorist organization whose only reason for existence is the extinction of Israel's children and their State. 

Palestine/Iran/Hamas initiated the current war between Israel and HAMAS via a HAMAS invasion and butchery of 1400 innocent Israeli infants, children, girls, boys, men and women and pregnant women on October 7th, 2023...HAMAS is demonic in its affiliation with Islam as is Hezbollah and the Houthis. 

Israel will not become bankrupt nor will Israel lose its positioning in the Middle East...a positioning, a land given them by Elohim through Abraham via an unconditional promise some 4000-years ago. 

Islam's Allah is Satan, the one you serve spiritually in spiritual ignorance and Islam will perish in Hell along side its Allah who is Satan masquerading as an angel of light via the Arabic moon god. Shame on you.

 

HOOVER INSTITUTION STANFORD UNIVERSITY

The name “Palestine” is ultimately derived from the Philistines, invaders from the Aegean and Cyprus in the twelfth century who intermarried with Canaanites and formed a series of kingdoms on the coast of what is now Gaza and southern Israel. Egyptians, Assyrians, and the Hebrew Bible each used a variant of “Philistine” to refer to the land of the Philistines. Greek authors such as Herodotus or Aristotle used the name “Palestine” to refer to Canaan more broadly. The ancient Jewish state and, later, the Jewish province were known to the Romans as Judea. In the second century, Rome changed the name of Judea, as punishment or a native revolt, to Syria Palaestina and then to Palaestina—whence Palestine. The territory and the various sub-units into which it was broken up have had various names over the many centuries from antiquity to the pres-ent, including

Filastin

 (Arabic or Palestine),

Urdunn

 (Arabic or Jordan), and the Holy Land or the Kingdom o Jerusalem, as the Crusaders called it. In more recent centuries the name “Palestine” reemerged among Christians and Muslims, while Jews continued to use the term the “Land o Israel.”

????

Ancient Israel emerges on the stage of history in the Late Bronze Age (ca. 1400–1200). 

 

EvePhantom

@RickeyHoltsclaw: I don't understand your argument ... Palestine is Gaza... Gaza pre-dates the Hebrew religion by 449years so I don't get your point that..

"Palestine is a "created" state" 

No no... Gaza has existed for 3522years this 'pre dates'  the existence of Jewishness, your timeline of events appears to be warped...

2036 years ago the Jews fled Egypt ... 3522 years ago Gaza was founded  ... try and take that in because these are the facts of the matter according to the same archaeology that dates Jesus to the area 2024years ago.

your point is undone by your lack of historical knowledge of the subject   

RickeyHoltsclaw

@EvePhantom ; Israel has belonged to Abraham from eternity past...  GAZA in the Scriptures first appears in Genesis 10:19 where it is demarcated as an outer border of Canaan. This is important – from the first book of the Bible, Gaza was considered geographically part of the Holy Land. This inclusion was later reinforced when Gaza was listed among Judah's promised territories (Joshua 15:20, 47). GAZA belongs to Israel but in May 1994, following the Palestinian-Israeli agreements known as the Oslo Accords, a phased transfer of governmental authority to the Palestinians took place. Much of the GAZA Strip came under Palestinian control, except for the settlement blocs and military areas. In 1993, as part of the Oslo Accords, the Palestine Liberation Organization and Israel agreed to an outline for Palestinians to self-govern in the Palestinian territories. In 1994, Israel withdrew from Gaza City and Jericho, giving civilian and city functions to the Palestinian Authority; unfortunately, GAZA has proven to be a refuge for Islam terrorists bent on the destruction of Israel through relentless acts or terror, rocket launches and invasions...Israel has not choice but to occupy GAZA and eliminate HAMAS. A people who call themselves Palestinians were grated MERCY and GRACE by Israel and allowed to occupy GAZA as NO OTHER ARABIC/ISLAMIC STATE OR PEOPLE WANTED THE PALESTINIAN PEOPLE IN THEIR LAND DUE THEIR VIOLENCE AND ARROGANCE AND UNGOVERNABLE ATTITUDE...BUT ISRAEL SHOWED THEM MERCY AND ISRAEL HAS RECEIVED NOTHING BUT DEATH AND TORTURE AND CIVIL UNREST FROM THE UNRULY, DEMONICALLY LED PALESTINIAN PEOPLE.

THERE HAS NEVER BEEN A TIME SUBSEQUENT ISRAEL'S OCCUPATION OF THE LAND KNOWN AS ISRAEL THAT A JEWISH - ISRAELITE PRESENCE WAS NOT IN THE LAND.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_disengagement_from_Gaza

Here is a video of Palestine-the Palestinian people training their children to butcher and hate Jews...this is NOT sustainable: https://www.facebook.com/RickeyD07/videos/854944913140329

RickeyHoltsclaw

@EvePhantom ; Also, consider this about "Palestine."

The Forgotten History of the Term "Palestine"

The ancient Romans pinned the name Palestine on the Land of Israel. In 135 CE, after stamping out the province of Judea’s second insurrection, the Romans renamed the province Syria Palaestina—that is, “Palestinian Syria.” They did so resentfully, as a punishment, to obliterate the link between the Jews (in Hebrew, Y’hudim and in Latin Judaei) and the province (the Hebrew name of which was Y’hudah). “Palaestina” referred to the Philistines, whose home base had been on the Mediterranean coast. The term “Palestine” was used for millennia without a precise geographic definition. That’s not uncommon—think of “Transcaucasus” or “Midwest.” No precise definition existed for Palestine because none was required. Since the Roman era, the name lacked political significance. No nation ever had that name.

https://www.hudson.org/node/44363

Bogan

@Phite ;    

Phite quote   You're defending racist illegal occupiers who erect illegal settlements, abuse Palestinian children in prisons, stick metal bars up the asses of Palestinians being detained, and who are now committing war crimes against innocent Gazans.

 I am defending the only decent country in the entire middle east that is fit to live in.   You Muslims have ethnically cleansed all of the Jews from your failed state countries.   Getting rid of the smartest people in your country is a du-mb thing to do, and one good reason why your failed state countries are going belly up.      Now you are going after the Christians and you wonder why the Christians,( and even those who are not Christians but who believe in the Christian way of life) side with the Jews?        Israel is a constant reminder of how the religion your paedophile prophet hated is successful, while your own backwards religion is a miserable failure.      The more Muslim a country is, the more of a sheethole it is.    The smartest thing all of you du-umbarse Arabs could do is to convert to Judaism, or any other religion for that matter.     Better still, stop believing in magical nonsense altogether.   

 

Phite You know you're a hopeless racist when you applaud and defend that kind of . . . thing. 

 Muslims are religious racists.      Everybody is racist.

Bogan

@EvePhantom ; 

EvePhantom quote   "If somebody declares that they intend to exterminate my country, don't expect me or my countrymen to be nice to them." 

in the situation where Israel "declares that they intend to exterminate" the double standard in your view point becomes visible. its not that it is wrong (we have had discussion on racism) it just that it is a visible double standard and there for detrimental to a 'moral argument'

 

DO you have an English comprehension problem?       The Arab Muslims have declared their intention to utterly destroy Israel and every Jew knows what that means.     If somebody declares that they intend to destroy your country, especially Arabs who have a history of mass murder, ethnic cleansing, and systematic rape of the females of conquered countries, then the gloves are off.     I find it incredible that Israel even provides electricity and water to their Gazan enemies who have declared their intention to destroy Israel, and who never cease raining rockets down on them.        Israel has always been willing to negotiate peace, but the only thing that HAMAS and Hezbollah want to please their paedophile Prophet by establishing full Muslim control over what has always been the land of the Jews.

 If Israel decided to kill every Gazan man, woman, and child in Gaza, then as far as I am concerned, they would be entirely justified in doing that.     After all, that is exactly what the Arab Muslims intend to do with the Israelis if they win.      The Jews have been ethnically cleansed from every Muslim sheethole country and there is nothing wrong with the exterminees exterminating their exterminators.   The whole problem of this endless war in Israel/Palestine can easily be solved and the Muslims know it.     All they need to do is to give refugee status and then citizenship to any “Palestinian”.     But they will never do that because they want this endless war to continue.       

JulesKorngold

Argument Topic: Palestinian Strategy

Start a war
Lose the war
Play the victim 

Bogan

@JulesKorngold

I notice you don't throw slings and arrows at me when I am defending you Jews.

Barnardot

@EvePhantom ;@JulesKorngold: So the Koran is Israel's accurate archaeological dating method that is offered as proof of their existence? yet we know for a fact that Jerusalem was a city state during the medieval era, before this it was a roman colony and before this it was Palestine as the 'holy texts' hadn't been written yet. so is Israel really is 'Israel' where was 'Israel' before the holy texts arrived? un like Israel, Palestine dates back 10000 years. The Er-Ram Mask (physical archaeology) confirms this. 

The thing is that whether the Quoran says it, or the Bible says it or any other ancient scripture, it doesn't matter one iota. The world is continually changing, and it has for centuries so far as borders goes and who should live where. I'm not saying that's right but that's what it is and always will happen as circumstances change. 

So, when you analize the hole situation in the end it's a bit like evolution really. They have to find a way to adapt moving forward because if they don't, they are going to be totally screwed as a species.

Phite

Bogan said:

@Phite ;    

I am defending the only decent country in the entire middle east 

You have incredibly low standards!

Just as the delusional religious nutter, Nutanyahoo, sees Amalekites to exterminate where there are only innocent Gazans, you see a Muslim or Arab where there's just me.  And right now I'm calling you out on your defense of racist illegal occupiers who erect illegal settlements, abuse Palestinian children in prisons, stick metal bars up the asses of detained Palestinians, and who are now committing war crimes against the population of Gaza.  Israel's version of the virtues of democracy are currently on display for all to see, and you're here to defend it.

One thing about you mindless Israel-firsters is your  belief that the illegally-occupied are responsible for the security of their brutal, illegal occupiers. That's how racism affects your moral compass; it removes it.

Bogan

@Phite

Phite    You have incredibly low standards!   

 That sounds funny coming from a Muslim.

 

Phite        Just as the delusional religious nutter, Nutanyahoo, sees Amalekites to exterminate where there are only innocent Gazans, you see a Muslim or Arab where there's just me. 

 Your irrational hatred of Israel and Jews tends to indicate that you are a Muslim, and an Arab Muslim at that.  

 

Phite quote      And right now I'm calling you out on your defense of racist illegal occupiers who erect illegal settlements, abuse Palestinian children in prisons, stick metal bars up the asses of detained Palestinians, and who are now committing war crimes against the population of Gaza.  Israel's version of the virtues of democracy are currently on display for all to see, and you're here to defend it.

 Stop shooting at the Israelis, and the Israelis will stop shooting back.     The Israelis are not going anywhere.   They will shoot off their Jericho missiles if they look like being over run by you Muslim nutters, and it will be goodbye Mecca, goodbye Damascus, goodbye Beirut, goodbye Cairo, goodbye Tripoli, and goodbye Tehran and Qum.     If Arabs were smart, which they certainly are not, they would see that they can not win this one, and just accept that Israel is there, and it is always going to be there. 

Phite quote   One thing about you mindless Israel-firsters is your belief that the illegally-occupied are responsible for the security of their brutal, illegal occupiers.

All over the world there are territorial disputes, but since the only way that they can be resolved is through war, that stops intelligent people from taking that path.     Not so the du-mb Muslims.     Because if you have a religion that wherever Islam has conquered, not a backward step can be taken.     And. If you tell people who have no hope of a better life because their stu=pid religion can not get with the times.     And, if you tell young men that all they have to do to get 72 panting virgins is to die for some non existent God, then you have a bunch of religious fanatics who can’t think of anything else but war.     Which is why you Muslims are the most hated people on this planet.     Everybody despises you.   Reform your religion.

 

Phite quote   That's how racism affects your moral compass; it removes it.

While Islam has removed your capacity to understand that Muslims are religious racists. 

EvePhantom

@RickeyHoltsclaw So if 'Palestine' belongs to the ancestors of Jews what of the ancestors of American Indians? what is their entitlement? where red Indians to attempt to 'flatten' America and genocide its people would they be 'justified' in doing so? its the same argument at the end of the day.

I would also be interested in your interpretation of this bible verse

Revelation 3:9

"Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, who say they are Jews and are not, but do lie — behold, I will make them to come and worship at thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee."

also do you remember where the bible says Satan will take his throne on earth before God kicks him out? is this not Herod's temple?

you see the Jewish 'sect' you through your support behind is attempting to rebuild Herod's temple, you remember Herod Right? Herod the 'Jew' who sought to murder baby Jesus, lets look to todays Jews who now want to reclaim Herods land as 'their land' the want to rebuild the 3rd temple you know what happens then don't you Rick? you know what happens when the 3rd temple is built right? 

Daniel 12:11
"From the time that the daily sacrifice is abolished and the abomination that causes desolation is set up, there will be 1,290 days"

your support for 'this Israel' is a support for the end of days, the Zionists in Israel right now are attempting to fulfil this prophecy

According to Jewish tradition, the ashes of a perfectly red heifer cow are needed for the ritual purification that would allow a Third Temple to be built in Jerusalem...



so Rick ... you want us to support the building of the temple you know will be the throne of Satan on earth? what a strange thing for a 'Christian' to support