More Questions For Christian Nationalists

RickeyHoltsclaw

@JulesKorngold

1) What groups or persons are "harmed" by Christianity or what you falsely call "Christian Nationalism?"

2) Religious Freedom as inferred by our Founder's referenced the privilege, freedom, of honoring a Christian denomination but the separation clause was enacted to ensure that no particular Christian denomination was allowed to control our Federal Government and its policies. Your atheism was never intended to be a "freedom" exercised to a degree of destroying public morality and love for God. 

3) American exceptionalism does not negate humbleness and fairness and equality...these things are not mutually exclusive...it is possible to be exceptional and humble. 

4). Christians don't seek the power of the State to enforce Christian values but the State is primarily responsible to enforce the protection of inalienable rights given us by our Creator which are Christian values. 

5) The United States was ordained by our Heavenly Father as the progenitor and proselytizer of the Gospel of Jesus Christ and the Great Commission as Israel's children had rejected their fore-ordination as divine ministers of the Gospel and the Great Commission. The United States was very faithful in sending Christian missionaries around the World to preach and teach the Gospel until the advent of demonic Progressivism beginning in the 1880's via John Dewey (the father of modern education) and the infusion of Progressive demonic ideas/Marxism which has "progressively" thwarted our Creator's intent for having founded America. This is why America is currently dying in atheistic-secular humanistic filth.

6) America's ordination as a Christian Nation is not idolatry but divine Truth...it is the negation of this truism by defiled atheists such as yourself that has led to America's moral demise.

7) Christian morality is basic human rights defined and it is the States sole responsibility to ensure these inalienable rights are not defiled by the ungodly; hence, the Bill of Rights.

8) America was divinely protected by the Holy Spirit for a season for the sole purpose of fulfilling the Great Commission and the Holy Spirit was honored by men and women who loved our Heavenly Father and morality and dignity and honor and righteousness but when men and women with your demonic and defiled mindset slithered into our Government and places of commerce and education, America died in your immoral filth. It is the defiled atheist-secular humanist that has destroyed what America was founded to be. It is you and the majority in this forum that are death to America.

 

JulesKorngold

Argument Topic: Advocates For Separation of Church and State

Thomas Jefferson: "Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legislative powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should 'make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,' thus building a wall of separation between Church and State"

James Madison: "The settled opinion here is that religion is essentially distinct from Civil Government, and exempt from its cognizance; that a connexion between them is injurious to both"

George Washington:  "The United States of America should have a foundation free from the influence of clergy."

The Treaty of Tripoli, which was signed during Adams' presidency, explicitly stated that "the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion,"

RickeyHoltsclaw

@JulesKorngold ; The Treaty of Tripoli and Adam's statement used by the defiled and Hell-bound atheist to suggest America is not a Christian Nation has nothing to do with Christianity as the founding faith of our Nation and its documents but as a negotiating tactic by the Administration with the Barbary Powers/Islam/Muslim's seeking peace with the emphasis on the truism that America is NOT a theocracy like England and its subservience to the Church of England and therefore America did not seek war with Islam over "religious" differences but sought peace and amicable trade and trade routes uninterrupted by "religious" differences. America did NOT seek war with Islam. See: https://wallbuilders.com/resource/treaty-of-tripoli/

Thomas Jefferson was a heretic who cut and literally pasted portions of the Scriptures to fit his liking and thus created his own version of the Scriptures...Jefferson was not Christian yet he respected the Christian faith...the "make no law respecting an establishment of religion" is relevant to the various Christian denominations of the members and community and a fear that one particular denomination would gain overwhelming influence in our Government. Especially concerning was the religious cult of Catholicism which espoused heretical doctrines similar to the King's religion in England...the very thing, religious tyranny, they were fleeing in the New Land. 

Madison was a secularist...and yes, religion was a concern but Christianity was integral to our Nation's founding and its founding documents. 

Without Jesus as King, there would be no America.

   

JulesKorngold

Argument Topic: Effective Spamming?

@RickeyHoltsclaw
Have you ever changed anyone's mind with your nonsense?

RickeyHoltsclaw

@JulesKorngold ; I'm not in the business of changing the minds of the stup-id e.g. atheists...I simply tell the truth and allow you to perish in your arrogance and obstinace with knowledge. You represent an arrogant, foolish, people...unsustainable and Un-American...you are the enemy of all that is holy, good, sustainable.

just_sayin

@JulesKorngold
To repeat myself, I think its important to know what you mean by Christian nationalist.  If it is just a Christian who wants laws in place that reflect the idea of Justice in the Bible, then trying to silence Christian nationalists is incredibly bigoted of you.  Christians have every right to vote for candidates and policies that they think will make the nation better, as anyone else does.  I suspect that much of the lefts clamoring to silence Christian Nationalists is just an attempt to take away their fundamental right to vote and speak out on issues they care about.  At the heart of this topic, it seems to me, to be a ruse to rationalize one's bigotry towards people of faith.

1. How do you reconcile Jesus' teachings about loving one's enemies with nationalist policies that may exclude or harm certain groups?

What a ridiculous conclusion.  Tell me Jules, do you think 'love' means you have to agree with everything someone else says or does?  How stu-pid.  Love doesn't accept every unethical and immoral thing you want to do.  Love cares enough to tell you how wrong and immoral the things you want to do are.  If you followed your ideology to its logical conclusion it would say we can't say murder is wrong, because that would be unloving to murderers.  Give me a break!!!!!

2. If America is meant to be a Christian nation, how do you address the religious freedom guaranteed by the First Amendment for non-Christians?

The US was indeed founded as a Christian nation, with all 13 original colonies, literally saying that they were founded for the glory of God or Christ.  Again, it seems that you are suggesting that Christians should be silent and not vote.  That seems like religious bigotry to me.  Why do you think it is just to silence people of faith?

3. How do you balance the concept of American exceptionalism with biblical teachings on humility and equality of all people before God?

Let's be sure we are talking the same language.  Romans 12:3 says - Because of the privilege and authority God has given me, I give each of you this warning: Don’t think you are better than you really are. Be honest in your evaluation of yourselves, measuring yourselves by the faith God has given us.  From that I think there is a balance - be humble but be honest.  If Michael Jordan says 'you know I was a really bad basketball player' - it might be humble, but it would be a lie.  To deny that the US has accomplished a lot of great things in a lot of different areas would be dishonest.  Are you wanting Christians to lie, Jules?

4. Given that early Christians were often persecuted by the state, how do you justify seeking state power to enforce Christian values?

David and Solomon were kings.  Esther was a queen, and they used their power to enforce religious values.  Why is it OK for atheists to impose their values on others?  Again, at the heart of this question seems to be a lot of religious bigotry towards people of faith that seems to think they should be silent and not allowed to vote or promote their political ideas and candidates.

5. How do you reconcile the idea of America as God's chosen nation with the New Testament's focus on a global, borderless church?

I don't know that any nation has an exclusive contract with God anymore.  That went away with  the Old covenant.  Now God rewarded or punished nations as a whole for how they responded to His word.  Do I think the US will do better if it follows the ideals of the Bible?  Sure.  Does that limit, the outreach of the church?  No, you can do more than one thing at time.

6. How do you address the potential idolatry of elevating national identity alongside or above one's identity in Christ?

Does God come before country?  Always in my mind.  Does that mean that people of faith should not be an influence on their communities, cities, states, and nation though?  No.  

7. How do you justify using political power to enforce Christian morality when Jesus often criticized religious leaders who did the same in His time?

John the Baptist was literally killed for speaking out on politics.  Are you really that Biblically illiterate?  Jesus not only criticized religious leaders but spoke out against political ones as well.  That is why he was considered such a threat.  Paul spoke out against political injustices and it was often for that very reason he was chased out of a city.  I think the core issue is if a believer is following Christ or another agenda.  

8. If God is sovereign over all nations, why does America need special protection or favor through nationalist policies?

I don't know what the question is asking.  What policies are you talking about?

JulesKorngold

Argument Topic: You're In Violation

Jesus taught to "love your enemies" in the Gospel of Matthew. In Matthew 5:44, He states, "But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you" [1][2][3]. This instruction is part of His Sermon on the Mount, where He challenges the prevailing notion of hating one's enemies, emphasizing a higher moral standard of love and compassion for all, including adversaries [2][5].

Citations:

[1] Matthew 5:44 - Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_5:44

[2] What did Jesus mean when He instructed us to love our enemies? https://www.gotquestions.org/love-enemies.html

[3] Matthew 5:43-48 NIV - Love for Enemies - Bible Gateway https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+5:43-48&version=NIV

[4] Jesus seems to refer to a nonexistent "hate your enemy" verse ... https://www.reddit.com/r/Christianity/comments/dinqb3/jesus_seems_to_refer_to_a_nonexistent_hate_your/

[5] 15 Bible Verses About Loving Your Enemies - ABWE https://abwe.org/blog/15-convicting-bible-verses-pray-over-enemies/

[6] Mathew 5:43-44_ "You have heard that it was said, Love your ... https://www.reddit.com/r/Bible/comments/xj2boi/mathew_54344_you_have_heard_that_it_was_said_love/

[7] What Did Jesus Say About Loving Our Enemies? - Lancaster Farming https://www.lancasterfarming.com/country-life/family/what-did-jesus-say-about-loving-our-enemies/article_c341ab5c-44f3-53c7-af6b-7c7aa4bb9f58.html

JulesKorngold

Argument Topic: Dangerous Policies

@just_sayin

Christian nationalist policies generally involve advocating for a governance system that prioritizes Christian values and principles. Some key aspects include:

- Maintaining the country's Christian roots and identity[1].

- Enacting laws and policies based on Christian beliefs[1][2].

- Reducing the separation between church and state[1].

- Promoting the idea of the U.S. as a Christian nation, potentially at the expense of religious pluralism[3].

- Implementing strict immigration policies based on religious criteria[5].

- Utilizing Christian nationalism to influence political agendas, such as through the potential policies of a future Trump administration[5].

RickeyHoltsclaw

@JulesKorngold ; I express sufficient love in telling you of your need for Jesus as Messiah lest you die in Hell in your sin. You mock that...Jesus never asked me to beg you but He did command that I not cast pearls before swine...You have chosen to be the swine of society in obstinate rejection of our Lord's moral standards, His Son, His Spirit. You have chosen the demonic...I cannot sympathize with your atheistic stup-idity...everyone of you in this forum.

 Jesus said,

10 After this the Lord appointed seventy-two others and sent them on ahead of him, two by two, into every town and place where he himself was about to go. 2 And he said to them, “The harvest is plentiful, but the laborers are few. Therefore pray earnestly to the Lord of the harvest to send out laborers into his harvest. 3 Go your way; behold, I am sending you out as lambs in the midst of wolves. 4 Carry no moneybag, no knapsack, no sandals, and greet no one on the road. 5 Whatever house you enter, first say, ‘Peace be to this house!’ 6 And if a son of peace is there, your peace will rest upon him. But if not, it will return to you. 7 And remain in the same house, eating and drinking what they provide, for the laborer deserves his wages. Do not go from house to house. 8 Whenever you enter a town and they receive you, eat what is set before you. 9 Heal the sick in it and say to them, ‘The kingdom of God has come near to you.’ 10 But whenever you enter a town and they do not receive you, go into its streets and say, 11 ‘Even the dust of your town that clings to our feet we wipe off against you. Nevertheless know this, that the kingdom of God has come near.’ 12 I tell you, it will be more bearable on that day for Sodom than for that town.  Luke 10 (ESV)

just_sayin

JulesKorngold said:

Jesus taught to "love your enemies" in the Gospel of Matthew. In Matthew 5:44, He states, "But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you" [1][2][3]. This instruction is part of His Sermon on the Mount, where He challenges the prevailing notion of hating one's enemies, emphasizing a higher moral standard of love and compassion for all, including adversaries [2][5].

Citations:

[1] Matthew 5:44 - Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_5:44

[2] What did Jesus mean when He instructed us to love our enemies? https://www.gotquestions.org/love-enemies.html

[3] Matthew 5:43-48 NIV - Love for Enemies - Bible Gateway https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+5:43-48&version=NIV

[4] Jesus seems to refer to a nonexistent "hate your enemy" verse ... https://www.reddit.com/r/Christianity/comments/dinqb3/jesus_seems_to_refer_to_a_nonexistent_hate_your/

[5] 15 Bible Verses About Loving Your Enemies - ABWE https://abwe.org/blog/15-convicting-bible-verses-pray-over-enemies/

[6] Mathew 5:43-44_ "You have heard that it was said, Love your ... https://www.reddit.com/r/Bible/comments/xj2boi/mathew_54344_you_have_heard_that_it_was_said_love/

[7] What Did Jesus Say About Loving Our Enemies? - Lancaster Farming https://www.lancasterfarming.com/country-life/family/what-did-jesus-say-about-loving-our-enemies/article_c341ab5c-44f3-53c7-af6b-7c7aa4bb9f58.html

Jules,  nowhere in the Bible does it say to ignore when leftists let kids cut their breasts and penises off, even though 80 percent of them will grow out of their gender dysphoria by the time they are 18.  The Bible does not say 'thou shalt let people kill babies", instead the Bible teaches us to protect and preserve all human life.  The Bible does not say that a man can simply announce he is a woman and he is a woman.  To pretend that allowing someone to say a lie and then you have to pretend it is true, isn't love.  True love will tell you when you are wrong.  Jules, does this mean your mom and dad didn't love you when you were growing up?  Did they never tell you when you were wrong?

You might want to do a Bible study on true love Jules.  True love always speaks the truth.  just sayin

just_sayin

JulesKorngold said:

@just_sayin

Christian nationalist policies generally involve advocating for a governance system that prioritizes Christian values and principles. Some key aspects include:

- Maintaining the country's Christian roots and identity[1].

- Enacting laws and policies based on Christian beliefs[1][2].

- Reducing the separation between church and state[1].

- Promoting the idea of the U.S. as a Christian nation, potentially at the expense of religious pluralism[3].

- Implementing strict immigration policies based on religious criteria[5].

- Utilizing Christian nationalism to influence political agendas, such as through the potential policies of a future Trump administration[5].

Sounds like religious bigotry targeting Christians.  Christians have every right to speak out on issues that concern them and to support candidates that support positions that they agree with.  So much of this argument seems like its real agenda is to silence Christians and to condemn them for doing what you would never condemn atheists for doing - voting, speaking out, and pushing for policies that you agree with.  It is wrong to silence someone because of their religious faith - that's something your side is attempting to do, while falsely accusing Christians of doing it.  Jules, unlike you, I want you to vote and speak out for the policies and candidates you support.  Seems like you want to silence me.

Factfinder

@just_sayin

Jules,  nowhere in the Bible does it say to ignore when leftists let kids cut their breasts and penises off, even though 80 percent of them will grow out of their gender dysphoria by the time they are 18.  The Bible does not say 'thou shalt let people kill babies", 

Well except for when it does. Like if one creates a graven image and prays to it expecting amputations to regenerate and other blessings. Then it's all out genocide against such monstrous evil in your gods 'righteous' judgments. Oh and it's righteous too if god uses the natives for some of its bloody rampages, That's what you told me, yes?...

1 Samuel...2 Thus saith the Lord of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt.

3 Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and .

Hosea 13... 6Samaria shall become desolate, for she hath rebelled against her God. They shall fall by the sword, their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up.

Deuteronomy !3...6 If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers;

7 Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee, from the one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth;

8 Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him:

9 But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people.

10 And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die; because he hath sought to thrust thee away from the Lord thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage.

Yeah it doesn't say kill babies well, actually it does. Not too friendly to women either.

RickeyHoltsclaw

@Factfinder ; Old Testament war engaged in by Israel concerning sanctification from Baal and Molech and paganism was not murder...it was justice. The children raised by the very demonic seed that inspires you to blaspheme our Lord was present in that day as well and your rebellious, defiled, blaspheming, seed will be extinguished by fire in Judgment as well because you have rejected and blasphemed the Living God, Jesus Christ, who suffered and died for you...you will certainly reap what you're sowing. You are part and parcel with the demonic that mutilates our posterity sexually and murders our posterity in the womb...again...you are evil and your day is rapidly approaching.

Factfinder

RickeyHoltsclaw said:

@Factfinder ; Old Testament war engaged in by Israel concerning sanctification from Baal and Molech and paganism was not murder...it was justice. The children raised by the very demonic seed that inspires you to blaspheme our Lord was present in that day as well and your rebellious, defiled, blaspheming, seed will be extinguished by fire in Judgment as well because you have rejected and blasphemed the Living God, Jesus Christ, who suffered and died for you...you will certainly reap what you're sowing. You are part and parcel with the demonic that mutilates our posterity sexually and murders our posterity in the womb...again...you are evil and your day is rapidly approaching.

Na, your hero jesus called for murder. 

RickeyHoltsclaw

@Factfinder ; No, Jesus teaches about the Judgment to come...a Judgment that you will suffer and eventually perish in due your blasphemy of the Spirit and rejection of Jesus as Messiah.

Factfinder

RickeyHoltsclaw said:

@Factfinder ; No, Jesus teaches about the Judgment to come...a Judgment that you will suffer and eventually perish in due your blasphemy of the Spirit and rejection of Jesus as Messiah.

Right, judgment. Not for crimes, for not feeding your fairytale elf gods insecurities and narcissistic demands of blind, worship. Why do you hate good and love evil ricky? Don't you hate being stoopid on purpose just because some moron told you about hell?

RickeyHoltsclaw

@Factfinder ; You're a sinner @Factfinder (Romans 3:23) and your sin is NOT going to be permitted to enter the Kingdom (Rev 21:27) because sin is what initiated the creation of Time and matter and Elohim is NOT going to allow same to enter the Kingdom and begin this fiasco all over again...you and I are in a War of unfathomable proportions, Spiritually and Physically, and this War is one that will provide a bulwark against future rebellion in the Kingdom...your hateful attitude, your arrogance, your blasphemy, your insolence, your hatred for our Creator and the Holy Spirit, will NOT be permitted to enter the Kingdom and the essential default for your sin is Hell and finality...and end to your existence; therefore, unless you trust fully in the One, Jesus Christ, who paid the price for your sin by dying and shedding His innocent blood as atonement (1 Peter 1:18-19), you have no hope of life in the Kingdom because only faith in Jesus will create the "new man" in you (2 Corinthians 5:17) and prepare you for service in the New Jerusalem via the Holy Spirit's anointing....if you deny Jesus, you deny the Father and you have NO HOPE (1 John 2:23)!

Factfinder

RickeyHoltsclaw said:

@Factfinder ; You're a sinner @Factfinder (Romans 3:23) and your sin is NOT going to be permitted to enter the Kingdom (Rev 21:27) because sin is what initiated the creation of Time and matter and Elohim is NOT going to allow same to enter the Kingdom and begin this fiasco all over again...you and I are in a War of unfathomable proportions, Spiritually and Physically, and this War is one that will provide a bulwark against future rebellion in the Kingdom...your hateful attitude, your arrogance, your blasphemy, your insolence, your hatred for our Creator and the Holy Spirit, will NOT be permitted to enter the Kingdom and the essential default for your sin is Hell and finality...and end to your existence; therefore, unless you trust fully in the One, Jesus Christ, who paid the price for your sin by dying and shedding His innocent blood as atonement (1 Peter 1:18-19), you have no hope of life in the Kingdom because only faith in Jesus will create the "new man" in you (2 Corinthians 5:17) and prepare you for service in the New Jerusalem via the Holy Spirit's anointing....if you deny Jesus, you deny the Father and you have NO HOPE (1 John 2:23)!

The only thing the idiotic god of your elf book wants is worship, blind, stupendous worship. If you're happy to oblige, cool. I prefer reality where crime is eschewed, not reality..

RickeyHoltsclaw

@Factfinder ; @21CenturyIconoclast ; @Joeseph ; Our Creator is in the midst of WAR and He seeks those who ally with Him and honor Him throughout Eternity but you have chosen the idio-cy of blasphemy and rejection of our Creator in your servitude to Satan and for this your entire existence will culminate in nihilism and wastefulness and sorrow and shameful death in Hell...you are the prime example of Satan's fool.