Israel, 1940s Germany what's the Difference?

MayCaesar

Israel is leading a world conquest, sending millions of people to concentration camps and gas chambers, promises to cleanse the world of the "inferior races"?

This is Israel today:

This was Germany in 1940:

So similar, is it not?

Fredsnephew

Argument Topic: Hail Caesar.

@MayCaesar

Not forgetting the Hamas atrocities that inspired this latest conflict.

RickeyHoltsclaw

@Hitcounter ; Pure stup-idi-ty

jack

Hitcounter said:

Same Genocide, Same Concentration Camps, Same Depraved Supremacist Mentality, Same Nazis!

Hello H, or is it Nom:

I think we're acquainted.  How 'ya been?  In my 80 years, only ONE person has accused me of not being a Jew, and you just did.   You hated the Jews then, and you hate the Jews now.

Truth is, I wouldn't be as harsh on the Palestinians as the Israelis are.  But, it's their country, and they're surrounded on all sides by life long enemies.  In short order, Netanyahu will be jailed along side his buddy Trump, and sanity will return. That doesn't mean they shouldn't kill the enemy..  They just shouldn't kill more than necessary to accomplish the mission.

excon

Martin

@Fredsnephew
What Israel is doing in Gaza is just very brutal. It is too much. Why would anyone ever do something like that to anyone? You basically have to turn off any emotion you have in you in order to do that. 
What happened in October last year can surely and easily be seen as disgusting, what Israel is doing now is disgusting and going on for too long.

Fredsnephew

Argument Topic: Startin Martin

@Martin

Why would Hamas terrorists enter and Israeli Kibbutz and massacre people as they slept in their beds?

Do you think for one minute that the Israeli Government was going to invite those genial Palestinian murderers over for a coffee and a chat?

Nope, it was never going to end like that...As well the Palestinian and Arab/Muslim World new.

Currently Hamas is revelling in a martyrdom of it's own making and liberal Western suckers are falling for it hook line and sinker. As planned.


In my opinion Martin.


But hey!...Don a keffiyeh and go wave the red, green, white and black flag if you want to.

Will make for great Islamic P.R.

Martin

@Fredsnephew
I would ask for you to not insult me. 
What I want to state is that you should not react to violence by commiting violence every day for 11 months.
I am uninformed about the west's position on Jews and Israel. 
I believed that the west cares for the Jews, they gave Jews a homeland in Israel. 
You are saying that the west does not actually show love to Israel. This is true? I am not well informed about this situation.

Bogan

@Martin ;    What Israel is doing in Gaza is just very brutal. It is too much. Why would anyone ever do something like that to anyone? You basically have to turn off any emotion you have in you in order to do that.     What happened in October last year can surely and easily be seen as disgusting, what Israel is doing now is disgusting and going on for too long.

What Israel is doing in Gaza is exactly what the allies did to Nazi Germany, Fascist Italy, and Imperial Japan.     Although, the Israelis have not dropped atom bombs on their enemies like we did.     For God's sake pick up a history book and educate yourself.    

Fredsnephew

Argument Topic: Well Martin.

@Martin

1. Firstly I cannot see any personal insult in my initial response to you...Just good old satirical criticism


2. Social media propaganda is a powerful weapon these days. And currently Hamas and it's supporters clearly hold sway.


3. Tit for tat violence is an ongoing state of affairs, and so one assumes that after the kibbutz massacre of the 7th October 2023, Israelis eventually decided to say that enough is enough.


4. After WW2 "The West" supported the establishment of a Jewish homeland.


5. "Love"... I don't think that love is an appropriate word to describe international politics.


6. Plenty of room globally for their Islamic brothers to similarly set up a Palestinian homeland. But do they want them?


7. Would you want Hamas in your backyard?

Martin

@Bogan
1. The Allies were not that brutal.
2. If they do the same to Nazi Germany what the Germans did to Slavs and Jews(among other), they would be no better than Nazi germany.

Martin

@Fredsnephew

1. If you say so.
2. Not really. We are reminded about the holocaust everywhere, but no one is reminded about the extermination of Slavs and the racism that exists towards Slavs today.

Martin

@Fredsnephew

3. Enough is enough by slaughtering tens of thousands and displacing 1.9 million people? Sick and unacceptable.
4. Yes.
5. Mostly true, because there are nations that sometimes risk they own country to help another. It does happen.
6. You cannot just make them pack up their house, graves of their ancestors, disconnect social relations with people because they are forced to leave, and expect them to be do happy. 
Israeli would very possibly even desecrate the graves of Palestinian ancestors. It is sick to even think of that.
7. Hamas got organized to protect Palestine against Israel. There would be no need for them be next to my country (my country is Orthodox Christian).

Fredsnephew

Argument Topic: Hey martin.

@Martin

I'm a pragmatic atheist Martin. Or I like to think so.

And I'm assuming (from what you said) that you wouldn't want Hamas and it's ideology in your backyard.

And known ancestors are memories that will die with me. Whereas unknown ancestors are of no consequence.

I currently know very little about Slavic society and history, so cannot comment. So give me something to work on.

Though I do know that "Slav" was/ is a widespread  language based association of Eurasia and Central Europe.

I personally am British and don't consider myself to be racially specific. My original ancestry would be interesting to know, but certainly not worthy of a song and dance. (There could quite easily be a hint of Central European in my make up).

And let it be known that, I support neither side in the current Israeli Palestinian conflict.

Though the thing is, in terms of ancestry, Palestinians and Israelites are descended from the same origins.

As are all popular Middle Eastern based religions, including Orthodoxy...Just varying ritualism and practices developed as religious ideology spread North, South, East and West.


What I do know for sure, is that both religion and nationalist ideology are two of the major causes of social upheaval.

And for as long as we keep perpetuating divisive ideology, nothing is going to change.


Nice discussing with you.

JulesKorngold

Argument Topic: Intentions

It is clear that Israel is not intending to kill as many civilians as possible.  If it did, it would have already used tactical nukes.  The U.S. B61 nuclear bomb can be set to 0.3, 1.5, 10 or 50 kilotons.  The Hiroshima bomb was about 15 kilotons.  Several Gaza cities are perfect targets for tactical nukes:  Gaza City, Khan Yunis, Jabalia, Rafah, Deir al-Balah, Beit Lahiya, Beit Hanoun, and Bani Suheila.

Fredsnephew

Argument Topic: Hey Jules

@JulesKorngold

I think that the intention is to be rid of, rather than to specifically kill.

And not to create a contaminated wasteland.

Trouble is, there is a Pseudo-nation of violently led people, who do-gooders like to make a song and dance about, but don't actually want living down the road.

And the secondary trouble is, if the Israelis stop now then it's back to the same old sh*t.