People who follow neoliberalism seem hypocritical.

MayCaesar

I honestly fail to see the distinction between the two. The US has a different history from Eastern Europe, so the segmentation people make here is different - but it comes down to the same division of people into groups and pitting those groups against each other. You call yourself a "Slav", for instance, making you different from someone who is "French" - and someone in the US will call themselves "White" making them different from someone who is "Asian". And there absolutely is such a thing as "Black culture" here, one that is perpetuated in Black-majority neighborhoods. "White culture", I guess, is a little less meaningful, but if you go to a "White upper-class neighborhood", you will still feel it.

Now, this was me playing a devil's advocate and using your reasoning. I actually do not think these things meaningful. "Slav", "White", "European" - who cares? I only notice the color of my skin in the morning, when I take a shower and look in the mirror. And my "ethnicity" or "nationality" (I am technically a Slav as well) is completely irrelevant. People actually tend to mistake me for either an Italian or a Latino because of my mixed ancestry, and I feel no need to correct them. What does it matter?

Martin

@MayCaesar

Of course it does not matter, but it looks like it matters to those in power in Washington.
The difference between western and eastern europe is huge.
Western european countries wiped out almost all native american tribes in the Americas. Also, Australian natives.
They colonised countries across the globe.
The slave trades were done by Western Europeans.
The Roman Catholic church commited hideous acts upon people who they saw as bad citizens.  
The USA has been bombing and occupying countries across the globe since WW2. 
The USA has even used atomic bombs...
The West continues to see Russia and Serbia as an enemy, even though communism fell decades ago now.
The USA and western Europe hate or despise Slavs.
I also clearly see that the Democratic party sees people with "whiter" skin as subhuman. That viewpoint is evil.

MayCaesar

@Martin

Interesting how "communism fell decades ago" is an argument against seeing Russia and Serbia as an enemy, but you are perfectly okay with reminding the US and Western Europe of, say, slavery which ended a century and a half ago. Sounds like you just have double standards, and it is not some general principle that you are defending.

As for Americans, most of them are not interested in the slightest in what is happening in Europe. They will, in fact, often just talk about "Europe" and "Europeans". Nobody demonizes you Slavs; most Americans probably do not even know who a Slav is. Where are you from, buddy? I sense a strong influence of some authoritarian propaganda here. I know Russians in particular tend to see themselves as the center of everyone's attention while in reality 99% people in the world do not think about Russia or Russians more than once or twice a year.

Martin

@MayCaesar

France still has a currency installed in few African countries called the CFA Frank, and rob them by abusing the currency that they imposed upon then. 
Germany started 2 world wars in the last century.
Western Europe keeps supporting Israeli genocide.
I come from Serbia, as I said.
The west keeps demanding that we give up Kosovo, that is part of our country. We have been there for centuries.
Also, they support the false and illegal "Kosovo" state. Siding with the albanians and not caring when they hurt us.

MayCaesar

@Martin

It seems like a singular political issue that has nothing to do with the general attitude of Western people towards Slavs. Most, I would imagine, do not even know that people living in Kosovo are largely Slavs.

Your phrasing is quite revealing, however. "that is a part of our country. We have been there for centuries." - who is "we"? Kosovars do not seem to agree with you. But screw their opinion, right? The great nation Serbia cannot have anyone escape its warm embrace.

The biggest difference between Western nations and Eastern-European ones, from my observations, is that the former acknowledge their errors and go to great lengths (perhaps too great, to the pathological level) to atone for the sins of their ancestors - while the latter just throw blame around and never look inwards. I do not really care if Kosovo remains independent or is returned to Serbia - but whichever happens, it should be whatever is best for the people there, and not whatever Serbians want. Same goes for anyone: people should live the way they prefer, not the way their historical masters want them to. "This was our land" is not an argument at all. The land I am on used to belong to the UK, and, before that, to native Americans. So what? The ship has sailed, folks. Go get yourselves a time travel machine.

Fredsnephew

Argument Topic: Hey Martin.

@Martin

Neoliberalism is a compound that utilises Neo and Liberal and places an ism on the end.

And doesn't mean anything more than being reasonably liberal in outlook, today rather than yesterday.

We could also string words together and come up with neonotsoliberalism.

And hypocrisy means the same today as it did yesterday and is applicable to all who are hypocritical.

Which isn't to say that one cannot have second thoughts and alter ones outlook.


In my opinion.

Martin

@MayCaesar

There are nations that were mostly  100% cruel through history, and there are nations that were mostly 100% not.

The West has proven time and time again that it is mostly vile. Sadly. 

Regarding the American politics,
"White" people are constantly oppressed nowadays by the media as well as by society. He has to "acknowledge" his non existent "privilege"?
"Black" people are taken care of by being served gangster rap by the media? By using them to fill jail cells? You are aware that a major portion of African-Americans grow up without a father in the home?

I cannot believe that any single person in the world would vote for the US "Democratic" party. 

Fredsnephew

Argument Topic: Hey Martin.

@Martin

When it boils down to a choice of the lesser of the two evils.

Then most people in the World would vote Democratic.

Martin

@Fredsnephew

There is nothing democratic in the so called US "Democratic party".

Bogan

To Unknown contributor.  .I am not from the United States, but I follow US politics lately(per se).

 Congratulations, I am from Australia.

 

Unknown contributor quote       Neoliberals talk about believing women, but they freely curse and shout at women who do not support their stances.

That is simply the characteristic double standards of western liberals. 

 

Unknown contributor quote.      Also, they say that you should listen to African-Americans, but when an African-American disagrees with them, then can curse at him?

Same thing.  If liberals did not have double standards, they would have no standards at all.        

 

Unknown contributor quote.      And WHY do neoliberals not care about eastern europeans(Slavs, to be specific)?

It is a cultural universal that people are mostly concerned with the welfare of people they see as their own kith and kin.     West Europeans are more concerned with the welfare of west Europeans.     In the case of Ukraine, we see a people from the east who are much like ourselves so we want to aid them in their fight against Russian invasion.   Personally, I grieve for all of the Russian soldiers now being killed in Ukraine just because of the vanity of a madman like Putin.    Russians are white like me, and I don’t like seeing white European people killing white European people. 

 

Unknown contributor.    You are ready to send Ukrainians to their deaths just because you think that you should bring your perverted ideology to the entire world?

 It would be helpful if you told us what this “perverted ideology” is?        As for Ukraine, I am proud that my country is aiding the Ukrainians to defend their own country.     I do not understand why you would have a problem with that?  

 

Unknown contributor quote     Will Ukraine really win?

Yes, my opinion is that they are winning.   And they would have already won a year ago had the wimpy west not been intimidated by Putin’s empty nuclear threats, and they had given the Ukrainians what they needed to win.    Instead of just giving them what they needed to defend themselves.    

 

Unknown contributor quote      The chances are none to zero or zero.  

 That is what Putin thought and he was wrong.      I will bet he wishes he had never set foot in Ukraine?     The parallel between Hitler and Putin is glaring.      Hitler defeated Yugoslavia in a week and that was just the beginning of his problems.    In 1943, the British were shocked to discover that the Yugoslavs by themselves were fighting off more German and Italian divisions than the British and Commonwealth forces combined.      Had Putin over run Ukraine, he would have acheived nothing but Yugoslavia, Vietnam, or Afghanistan on steroids. 

Unknown contributor quote.  And why do you dislike "white" people?  

 That is a new phenomena among the growing class of university educated elites in the west.     They think that by self flagellating their own race and culture, they are displaying superior virtue, and displaying the credentials of their supposedly socially superior class.      It is primarily a class snobbishness thing.   

 

Unknown contributor quote     What does "white" even mean?

Basically, it means European Caucasian. 

 

Unknown contributor quote.     I am a Slav, I am Serbian, I do not see myself as "white", I see myself as a Serb.

 Strange that you define yourself with your ethnicity, yet you think it strange that other white people choose to see their identity as through their own ethnicity as white Europeans?     I am a white Australian.       I have no problem withe either term. 

 

 Unknown contributor quote      My country has NOTHING in common with Western Europe.

Your country is a white European country, so how you come to that conclusion is beyond me?   Isn't your country trying to join the EU?  

 

Unknown contributor quote    Western europe hates Slavs in generals, but they mostly hate Serbs and Russians.

I admire the Serbs for the fight they out up in WW2 against Nazi Germany.       I like the Russian people ( except MayCaesar) , and I am sad that they can never get a government who are not either  crooks or  megalomaniacs.       I have often thought what a wonderful country it could become if it just became a real democracy and joined the European family.     This was beginning to happen after the fall of the USSR, and Russia was becoming more open and liberal.    But this did not suite the oligarchs.      Although we in the west can not complain about that, since the same thing is happening in our own countries.

  

Unknow contributor quote      Yes, I have "white" skin by definition, but every country is it's OWN story. 

I am not sure what this statement even means? 

 

Unknown contributor quote    People who see nations as "white", "black", need to go back to kindergarten. 

People who see themselves as Serbs, Croats, and Macedonians need to go back to kindergarten.      I greatly admired Josip Broz Tito as an example of a benevolent dictator who kept his country together, eventually stopped being a nuisance to the west, and instead became friendly to the west, and then told Stalin to his face to fark off.     

Martin

@Bogan

First of all, Ukrainians are Russians who lived on an edge of the Russian empire. There is no such thing as Ukrainian ethnicity. Their languages nowadays are like 90% similar, they look and walk the same. You could not make a distinction between a Russian and an Ukranian.
I am a Slav like Russians and Ukrainians, I understand the countries and their mentality better than you could. Objectively.
Ukrainians dislike the LGBT movement like Russians and will never fully accept modern Western ideology.

Secondly, you should know that Ukraine had been shelling Russian parts of Ukraine for 8 years. Along with having other forms of public discrimination of Russians. Of course that Russia finally entered Ukraine. 
Plus, letting a country that is so hostile to Russia directly at it's border enter Nato is of course something that Russia should respond to. That alone is enough to force Russia to enter Ukraine.

Bogan

@Martin quote      First of all, Ukrainians are Russians who lived on an edge of the Russian empire. There is no such thing as Ukrainian ethnicity. Their languages nowadays are like 90% similar, they look and walk the same. You could not make a distinction between a Russian and an Ukranian.

That is what Putin claimed.    Unfortunately for that nutcase, the Ukrainians obviously do not agree with you or Putin.       Which is why they are fighting and winning.   Tito would have applauded them.   When Stalin threatened to invade Yugoslavia, because Tito would not join the Warsaw Pact, Tito told Stalin "If you invade my country, I will give you twenty years of war!"   Stalin did not invade. 
  
    

Martin quote       I am a Slav like Russians and Ukrainians, I understand the countries and their mentality better than you could. Objectively.

You are not being objective if you think that the Ukrainians are Russians.     Obviously, they do not agree with you and they will fight and if necessary, die to protect their own people's identity.  



Martin quote     Ukrainians dislike the LGBT movement like Russians and will never fully accept modern Western ideology.

So do most western people.  The problem that we have in the west is that our democracies are being corrupted by a political class, who even though they may be on different sides of the political fence, they ignore the will of their own people and just do whatever they bloody well like.       Here in Australia, we recently had a referendum to give Aboriginal people (or those who "identify" as aboriginal) greater political and social rights than every other race in Australia.   Despite this racist proposal being overwhelmingly rejected by the majority, the political class is trying to get around this inconvenience on a Federal level by instigating policies on a state level to negate what the majority of their own people want.    A classic case of the political elites ignoring the democratic will of the majority.       Same can be said of the LBGTQIDBNTCXIT movement.    Just ask Bud Lite beers what advocating for transgender "rights" cost them.   Within the west, a backlash against their own out of touch elites is coming.      Many European countries are moving politically to the right because the majority are fed up of the machinations  incompetence, anti white racism, and totalitarian ways of their left wing elites.   
    
 
Martin quote  Secondly, you should know that Ukraine had been shelling Russian parts of Ukraine for 8 years. Along with having other forms of public discrimination of Russians. Of course that Russia finally entered Ukraine. 

Ukraine is a country with a border which is defined and recorded by the UN.     I does not matter that some parts of it may have a majority of the population within it's borders who are ethnic Russians, any more than the fact that the majority of people in Kosovo were Muslims.       Kosovo is part of Serbia, and the Russian majority areas of Ukraine are part of Ukraine.    If the Russians within Ukraine don't like that then they can go and live in Russia.   Russia definitely has enough land to accommodate them.      The security of Ukraine was supposedly secured forever when they gave up their nuclear weapons to Russian for a security guarantee from both Russia and NATO.   One of the signatories to that document was one Vladimir Putin.     The idea that minorities who are majorities within certain regions of any country can just say that they are part of a bordering country is how WW2 and the war in Kosovo started.      Hitler used the same excuse on Poland and Czechoslovakia that Putin is using on Ukraine.     Although at least Putin did not dress up Russian prisoners as Russian soldiers, machine gun them, and then claim int was done by the Ukrainians.    He slipped up there.
  

Martin quote  Plus, letting a country that is so hostile to Russia directly at it's border enter Nato is of course something that Russia should respond to. That alone is enough to force Russia to enter Ukraine.

That is complete and utter rubbish.     Obviously you don't read "1984" by George Orwell in Serbian schools?       There is no reason at all for Russia to fear the west, it is the other way around which is the the problem.     Before the Ukraine invasion by Russia, NATO consisted of 30 countries, arguably the best, most inventive, and peaceful countries on earth.   Some of them had been occupied previously by the USSR and they hated Russia.    If 30 countries unite against one country, which country do you think is the problem?      NATO now consists of 32 countries, because two former neutral countries now see Putin's Russia as a threat to their own existence.      Germany, France, and Britain have been at each other's throats for centuries, but now they are friends because that are all democracies.      Just in case you haven't noticed, democracies never go to war against democracies.   But totalitarians like Putin, Ji Jing Peng, Hitler, Tojo, and Stalin, all need enemies to distract their own populations from the mismanagement and corruption of their own elites.        Russia could become a democracy and a welcome member of the western world with it's vast natural resources.   But the Russian elites do not want that.    They want a society where they call the shots and they can live in luxury while most Russians live in poverty.     And if you can't see that, then you are not looking very hard.  

MayCaesar

Martin said:

@MayCaesar

There are nations that were mostly  100% cruel through history, and there are nations that were mostly 100% not.

The West has proven time and time again that it is mostly vile. Sadly. 

Regarding the American politics,
"White" people are constantly oppressed nowadays by the media as well as by society. He has to "acknowledge" his non existent "privilege"?
"Black" people are taken care of by being served gangster rap by the media? By using them to fill jail cells? You are aware that a major portion of African-Americans grow up without a father in the home?

I cannot believe that any single person in the world would vote for the US "Democratic" party.

"Mostly vile"? That is a pretty big statement to make by using technology almost exclusively developed in the place you are characterizing as such. If the West is so vile and the East is so benevolent, where are Chinese or Russian Microsoft, Google and Intel? It looks like those places are much better at destroying things than creating them. Russia that you defended earlier used to be the leader of the "axis of evil", a bunch of communist countries terrorizing the world and their own populations.

I agree that voting for the Democratic party of the US is problematic. But voting for ANY party in Serbia or Russia? From all independent sources I can find, political freedoms in your country suck:

https://freedomhouse.org/country/serbia

Martin

@Bogan

1. They are absolutely not winning. A population of 30 million people is not going to defeat a population of 150 million. Also Russia has even more ammunition than Ukraine. Both sides are equally motivated to win.
Russia can produce thousands of tanks, Ukraine aid is nothing to the potential of Russia with Chinese and North Korean aid.
Just Because Ukrainians say that they are not Russians, does not mean they are not. They did not exist as a nation until the communist revolution. Lenin tore apart the Russian state and created a non-existent nationality.

2. Yes, they are Russians. And you could not find any information that speaks against your narrative even you wanted to - because all english language media is anti-russian at least since 1945.

3. I do not see that the west is mostly Anti- LGBTQ movement. All I see is that it is mostly pro- LGBTQ movement, pro- unchecked immigration, pro- abortion, pro- feminism (fake womens rights movement).
I saw that a straight pride parade happened in the US in 2019 for example, the public was very hostile to that. 

4. You dont get to just shell and discriminate people in your country that you dont like without a brutal response happening at some point. Especially next to a country that lost almost 30 million people in the struggle against nazism (entire USSR, not just modern Russia). Russia is not going to take modern Nazism lightly by any means. 
And you cannot just expect that those people abandon everything they have and just move to Russia like its a cakewalk. Their families and ancestors were in Donetsk and Lugansk. Their social connections, jobs. 
And now they are supposed to leave because Ukraine decided to get an anti-Russian modern nazi government?. Of course they resisted the Ukrainians.

5. NATO has been expanding to the east since 1989 even though it told Russia it would not. NATO has been shelling and attacking countries that they deem are not a "democracy". 
It is not their business to meddle in other countries affairs even if they were. 
And how did their "democracies" help people? I remember western countries basically forced people to take covid vaccines during the pandemic. Wear masks everywhere, stay at home all the time?
Their approach to the pandemic was sickening and totalitarian. 
They let illegal immigrants come into their countries and rape and murder people on the streets while not getting charged. They are creating so called "hate speech" and torturing people into being "politically correct".
Some western European countries fine you for dropping a cigarette filter on the ground. Where are people supposed to drop them? In the bin and cause a fire? I heard that smoking is banned in a lot of cafes. 
Where is the freedom?

Martin

@MayCaesar

More or less everything is made in China. Russia has a hard time with development since the entire west has been hostile to them since at least 1945.
Especially since 1991, Russia was close to collapse. How do you expect we get Russian non-military innovations when it is constantly forced to worry and deal with western threats
And Russias military innovations are groundbreaking actually. 
Regarding China, you heard that China is making groundbreaking innovations in regards to processors?
And you remember that Huawei had so good phone cameras? The west responded by trying to destroy the company instead of working harder to make something better.
Would you really trust Apple? Better leave your phone on the street than trust apple to keep your data safe. If you think the USA is not spying on people, just ask Snowden.

Bogan

@Martin

  Martin quote   They are absolutely not winning. A population of 30 million people is not going to defeat a population of 150 million. Also Russia has even more ammunition than Ukraine. Both sides are equally motivated to win.

If you think that, then you had better get on youtube and start following the war.      Then pick up a history book and see how a David has defeated Goliath many times in military history.   Israel has been doing it to the du-mb Muslim Arabs and Persians since 1947, and they are doing it right now.    He who thinks straight wins.  

 

Martin quote     Russia can produce thousands of tanks, Ukraine aid is nothing to the potential of Russia with Chinese and North Korean aid.

Wrong again.   According to the Institute for the Study of War, Russia can only produce 10 T-90m  tanks a month which is hardly going to replace their losses, now estimated to be over 4000 lost in three years.    Ukraine’s tanks, armoured vehicles, artillery, MLRs rocket systems, fighter bomber aircraft and anti aircraft missile systems keep getting better and better, as the USA and European countries keep donating to them.    My own country, Australia, just announced that it would donate 55 M1A1 Abrahms tanks to Ukraine.     Russia on the other hand has almost run right out of modern tanks and is now using ancient T-54/55 tanks that are 80 years old, or T-62’s which are 60 years old.      They have burned through their modern artillery systems and are now using old soviet stuff which has been rusting away for years.       The Russians have had to buy artillery shells from North Korea because it can not produce enough on it’s own.    While Ukraine has the whole western world producing 155mm and 105 mm shells for them.   Even my own country, Australia is producing 155mm shells for Ukraine. Stop drinking raki, and get a reality check.

 

Martin quote     Just Because Ukrainians say that they are not Russians, does not mean they are not.

People are who they say they are. Especially if they determined to fight to maintain their identity.      Saying that Ukrainians are Russians, is like saying that Serbs are Croats, just because they were once all part of Yugoslavia.     

 

Martin quote  They did not exist as a nation until the communist revolution. Lenin tore apart the Russian state and created a non-existent nationality.

Neither did a lot of countries in Europe.    Hitler used the same argument on Poland, Yugoslavia, and Czechoslovakia, calling them just “inventions of the League of Nations.”      You and Putin are using the same arguments that Hitler used to justify his invasions.     

     

Martin quote   Yes, they are Russians.

Then why have they fighting for almost three years to maintain their sovereignty?        Putin was told by his own cronies the same rubbish, and he thought that the Ukrainians would throw flowers at his soldiers.   They didn’t.  They threw anti tank missiles and artillery at their invaders.    Meanwhile, Putin used his weapons to deliberately target Ukrainian civilians, including maternity hospitals and children’s hospitals, which is hardly a way of expressing his love of “fellow Russians.” 

 

Martin quote      And you could not find any information that speaks against your narrative even you wanted to - because all english language media is anti-russian at least since 1945.

Wrong again.    Even on youtube there are pro Russian video’s which I have watched and determined to be just bad Russian propaganda.   Here in the western world, there have always existed very left wing media which has always been sympathetic to tyrants like Stalin, Mao, Khrushchev, Kim il Sung, Saddam Hussein, and Pol Pot.      The British BBC was even labelled the “Baathist Broadcasting Corporation, by its critics.

    

Martin quote    I do not see that the west is mostly Anti- LGBTQ movement. All I see is that it is mostly pro- LGBTQ movement, pro- unchecked immigration, pro- abortion, pro- feminism (fake womens rights movement).

The primary problem with western countries is that fat and comfortable people can get too complacent, and can get too tolerant for their own good.     What is happening in the west today, is that most ordinary people are waking up to the fact that left wing totalitarians have penetrated their civil service and their governments, and are pushing policies inimical to the interests of their own people.      That is why the USA, Australia, New Zealand, Canada, and Europe are shifting to the right.     This is how democracy works.     The democracies can eventually figure out that their leaders are leading them in the wrong direction and can elect leaders who will change course.     Totalitarians just keep going in the wrong direction until everything just collapses. 

 

Martin quote  I saw that a straight pride parade happened in the US in 2019 for example, the public was very hostile to that. 

Most western people are tolerant of homosexuals, but as expected, the homosexual lobby just keep demanding more and more “rights”, and now western people are becoming hostile to homosexuals.     Western women are much more tolerant of homosexuals than western men, but even western women are now realising that their support for homosexuals and their stu-pid transgenderism can destroy women’s sports and endanger their daughters safe spaces.

   
Martin quote   You don’t get to just shell and discriminate people in your country that you dont like without a brutal response happening at some point.

That sounds funny coming from a Serb who's country fought a war in Kosovo against Muslim separatists, who wanted their own state.    I supported the Serbs against NATO.   I know my history, and I know that Serbia has always been the front line of Europe against the always encroaching Muslims.   

 

 Martin quote   Especially next to a country that lost almost 30 million people in the struggle against nazism (entire USSR, not just modern Russia). Russia is not going to take modern Nazism lightly by any means. 

 Putin and Russia look a lot more like a Nazis than the Ukrainians.     Ukraine is a democracy who’s president is a Jew.    Russia is a totalitarian state whose oligarchy government very much resembles Nazi Germany, right down to the big industrialists who support a dictator who wants lebensraum.     Australia has a Nazi Party (with about 20 members), does that mean Russian can invade Australia using the same excuse?   

 

Martin quote  And you cannot just expect that those people abandon everything they have and just move to Russia like its a cakewalk. Their families and ancestors were in Donetsk and Lugansk. Their social connections, jobs. 

Why not?     Everybody in the world wants to immigrate into my country.    1 person in 37 in Australia came to my country in the last 12 months.      Immigration is a lot more preferable to war, and around 2 million Russians have immigrated to avoid the draft and fighting in Putin’s illegal war.     A lot of them have immigrated to Australia.    I met one in my own small town only a week ago.  

 

    
Martin quote  And now they are supposed to leave because Ukraine decided to get an anti-Russian modern nazi government?  

Yes.   If they want to be Russians, go and live in Russia.  If they push for Ukraine to be part of Russia, then you can hardly blame the Ukrainians for regarding them as an existential  threat and to treat them accordingly.  You Serbs did the same thing to Muslims in Kosovo.         Since there are Russians fighting for Ukraine, my supposition is that a lot of Russians in Ukraine prefer Ukraine to Putin’s Russia.    12 months ago, some of them even invaded Russia on Ukraine's behalf.      Putin had to organise press gangs in Russian areas of Ukraine, to abduct Ukrainian Russians to fight Ukraine.      That hardly displays that all Russians in Ukraine have their primary allegiance to Russia.      

 

 Martin quote  Of course they resisted the Ukrainians.  

And of course the Ukrainians will fight to defend the territorial integrity of their own country, in the same way as you Serbs fought the Muslim separatists in Kosovo. 

 Martin quote  NATO has been expanding to the east since 1989 even though it told Russia it would not. NATO has been shelling and attacking countries that they deem are not a "democracy". 

NATO denies that.    In any case, the reason why NATO is expanding into former Warsaw Pact counties, is because these former captive nations of the USSR still regard Russia as the main threat to their national existence.     Then Putin went and proved them right.       I asked you a question which you did not answer.     If 32 of the most advanced and peaceful countries in the world, the very countries where immigrants (legal and illegal) want to live, unite against one other country, which country do you think is the problem?      Answer the damned question.

  

Martin quote  It is not their business to meddle in other countries affairs even if they were. 

The only problem with that philosophy is, that the totalitarians always create problems for the democracies.     Even now western countries are being swamped by “refugees” created by war mongering dictators like Putin, the Taliban, and Bashar al Assad.       The Houthis, who live in the worst country on planet earth, now amuse themselves by shooting at international shipping entering the Red Sea.    The best way to deal with the Houthis is to invade Yemen and exterminate most of them, and populate the country with Ukrainians, Serbs, Englishmen, Russians, or Germans.      Then it would become a successful nation instead of the mullah ridden sheethole that is a threat to world trade, that it is today.    Pisssing off the west is not conducive to a long and prosperous life.        

 

Martin quote      And how did their "democracies" help people? I remember western countries basically forced people to take covid vaccines during the pandemic. Wear masks everywhere, stay at home all the time?

 Which is one reason why western countries are turning to the right.     Most western countries today are run by leftists who just love pushing their own people around.   But democratic countries can change that through elections.    Which is why leftist western governments today all want to ban free speech, which is the foundation stone of democracy.  

 

Martin quote       Their approach to the pandemic was sickening and totalitarian. 

 The Romans had a saying, “Silent inter arma legis” which basically means “laws are silent in times of war.”    They can also be silent in times of pandemics.    Let’s look at Australia and Florida.      Australia had very strict Covid legislation while Florida had virtually no Covid legislation.     Australia has 26 million people, Florida 22 million.    Florida’s death toll from covid was 46,000, Australia’s 1,500.     So, even though I am a democrat and a believer in personal freedoms, I supported my left wing government’s attempts to limit the death toll from covid, by enacting strict covid  legislation, which seems to have worked.     I think that most Australians would agree with me.     The state with the most onerous lockdown laws was Victoria, which recently re elected the leftist government which imposed the harshest covid sanctions in Australia.     That is how democracy works. 

 

Martin quote  They let illegal immigrants come into their countries and rape and murder people on the streets while not getting charged. They are creating so called "hate speech" and torturing people into being "politically correct".

Many western people like myself have been arguing that multiculturalism would destroy western society for decades, but few people listened.   In wealthy countries, where people think that peace and prosperity is the natural way of things, virtue signalling is all the fashion.     It is only now when the negative effects of multiculturalism can no longer be denied, that electors are now supporting anti immigration parties.      A little too late, but that is how democracy works.

  

Martin quote  Some western European countries fine you for dropping a cigarette filter on the ground. Where are people supposed to drop them? In the bin and cause a fire? I heard that smoking is banned in a lot of cafes.     Where is the freedom?

 The freedom is, that smokers do not have the right to give other people lung cancer by smoking anywhere near them.     In Australia today, Smoking is almost banned altogether.      Australia also has universal and largely free healthcare, so why should the majority have to foot the bill for the minority who choose to give themselves cancer by smoking?     A German once remarked to me how different Australia was to Germany, because he saw so few people smoking.    But that is how democracy works.    The majority do not want people smoking anywhere near them, or to pay their medical bills for their own stu-pidity, so the minority who smoke must abide by the conditions imposed by the majority.      You can argue that many of these laws are too extreme, and I would agree with that.    But if democracy is so awful, why does every person in the world want to come to our European democratic countries, including Serbians?

 I can even tell you a funny story about Serbs in Australia.     A newly arrived Serbian man was living with some friends in Sydney, and watching TV.      A government critic came on the TV and verbally attacked the Prime Minister of the day, in no uncertain terms.        The newly arrived Serb remarked ‘Well, that guy is now in real trouble.”        His friends laughed their heads off and explained to him that in Australia, it is normal for people to criticise their own elected leaders.        

MayCaesar

Martin said:

@MayCaesar

More or less everything is made in China. Russia has a hard time with development since the entire west has been hostile to them since at least 1945.
Especially since 1991, Russia was close to collapse. How do you expect we get Russian non-military innovations when it is constantly forced to worry and deal with western threats
And Russias military innovations are groundbreaking actually. 
Regarding China, you heard that China is making groundbreaking innovations in regards to processors?
And you remember that Huawei had so good phone cameras? The west responded by trying to destroy the company instead of working harder to make something better.
Would you really trust Apple? Better leave your phone on the street than trust apple to keep your data safe. If you think the USA is not spying on people, just ask Snowden.

China does provide hands, but the heads seem to be located largely on the West, as well as several Westernized markets in Asia (China not being among them). The heads will always control the hands.

China has been making "groundbreaking innovations in regards to processors" since the 90-s. I have yet to see anything useful come out of it.

Why do you think was Russia close to collapse? Might it have something to do with the fact that, unlike the Western societies, Russians never learn from their mistake and keep supporting totalitarian warring regimes?

You seem to think, just like many Russians and Serbians do, that there is some grand conspiracy at play that somehow keeps horrible Western societies in relative prosperity and everyone else in poverty. I am not sure how anyone above the age of 6 can have such a simplistic outlook, but then, I have never taken propaganda - any propaganda - seriously, so...

Lastly, I have no love for the American - or any other - government. However, I would take it over Serbian, Russian or Chinese government any day. With all of its flaws, I never feel vulnerable when I openly criticize the government here. Joe Biden is not going to send armed goons to my apartment if I publish an article heavily criticizing him. Those amazing innocent societies you are praising so much do not have even that.

Martin

@Bogan

1. Russia had about 12000 or 15000 tanks since the war started. Ukraine will run out of manpower way before Russia runs out of anything. There are simply no men left for Ukraine. They are losing town after town. 
The only success lately was kursk, which will be fully retaken by Russia sooner or later.
Israel commits ethnic cleansing. They have shown they are an utterly disrespectful disfunctional nation. Why did they not accept proposals to have their state in Bavaria after WW2? 
They had to displace millions of Palestinians so that they can claim the land where there have not been for 3000 years?

Albanians started comming into Kosovo after World War 2. Everything there is Serbian. We have so many Churches and so much history there. And we have people there that keep getting tortured by Albanians in Kosovo ("Kosovars"). Where is the Albanian history in Kosovo? A couple of mosques, and that is it. 
Kosovo is regarded as the heart of Serbia in my country. There is absolutely no way that we will let them have it. If any Serbian president decides to change that, there will be a civil war in Serbia. He will not survive.

2.  They have huge quantities of tanks in stock. The west cannot accurately measure the rate of Russian production. Even if they produce nothing, Ukraine will run out of troops far sooner that Russia runs out of anything.
Russia won World War 2 with over 8 million soldiers killed and 80000+ tanks lost. 

3. If i say that I am a tree, that does not make me a tree, There is one objective truth, which is that I am a human with organs and blood vessels. 
The Ukraine means "Borderland" when translated. It was objectively a borderland of Russia.

4. Most european nations exist for centuries. Poland did not have its own nation, but it seems to me right now that the Polish identity has existed a long time. 
The Ukrainian identity is artificially made. 

5. Russia does not target civillians. The western media is doing hardcore nitpicking and twisting in order to try to present Russia as an enemy. Ironic, since they support Israeli genocide in Palestine.
Now they wash their hands by saying that Russia is doing so. Russia does not target civillians.
A person can call himself a tree, he is not a tree.

6. It is unwise to just deem something as propaganda without checking the facts. It would mean joining the vultures against the innocent. It is not a decision that should be made lightly.

7. Let us look at the Canadian election in 2021 for instance. Trudeau won with 5.5 million votes. Canada had about 37 million people.  He basically won with 15% percent of the entire population supporting him.
When we look at only those who are eligible to vote, he won with 20-25%. 
Where is the majority here?
The western democracies are so unstable. No one knows if a country like that could ever recover from a bad mistake. Britain is becoming a muslim country now. When and how will it change course? 

8. If that is so, it is happening too slow, maybe too late now. It should never have gotten to this point.

9. The "Kosovar" formations were terrorist formations funded by the USA. They commited horrendous crimes on innocent Serbs in Kosovo. it is a fact.
My country does NOT discriminate people. My country is one of the most welcoming countries to foreigners in the world. 

10. I already stated what Ukraine was and is doing to Russia and Russians. Putin is not looking for the so called lebensraum. It is another western media spin.
It does not matter really if the country is called Ukraine or Australia or France. If it posed a threat to Russia and Russians in the way Ukraine did (and geographically in the place of Ukraine), Russia would have to demilitarize and denazify the country.
It does not matter if Zelensky is a Jew or any other race. He is a war criminal and very possibly a drug addict.

11. We are talking about human beings here, not furniture. If people migrate against their will, it is in most cases not an easy and pleasant thing to do.

12.  Again, those are human beings, not furniture.
They push on Ukraine to not threaten the existence of Russia and Russians.
I would be careful on trusting the western media for info about a country that the western media hates.

13. Those two conflicts and absolutely incomparable. This is a fact. 

14. NATO, an organization that keeps terrorizing the world decides to suddenly help some nations that have fear against Russia?
No one could buy this. There is no reason to trust an organization that keeps breaking promises and terrorizing the world.
A lot of those 32 countries are imperialist countries. Histories of ethnic cleasing and plunder. 
And most of those western european countries keep putting pressure on mine to give up Kosovo. Germany is one of the biggest advocates.
Most of them are active or complacent in the war against Russia. 
Siding with the vultures who want to tear Russia apart.

Croatia should be disbanded as a country immediately. 
They commited a mass genocide of 700000 Serbs during World War 2, among other Jews and Roma mostly. 
But the number of 700000 Serbs is astonishing. 
They drove out 200000+ Serbs from croatia in 1995. 
They are celebrating what happened in 1995 every year.
That country is one of the most decrepit institutions in history.

Even if a western country suddenly acts kind and well, we cannot just trust them. Time needs to pass, they need to prove that it is not risky to trust them.
Even then, there is little chance they would change much. They would just probably be cloak and dagger.

15. I see that you take the idea of extermination lightly. I see it as a pattern in the wests mindset. Exterminate who they seem fit in order to live a slightly more comfortable life.
It is utterly unnacceptable. We are talking about people. Not furniture.

The Russians did not destroy Germany after they occupied it. Destruction and ethnic cleansing is not in their DNA. 
Compared to what Germany did to them, they did absolutely nothing to Germany. 

16. It should never have gotten to that point, but hope for a good change is good.

17. Better to fall ill with social isolation and depression that to let people see the sun? No.
That is not protecting people, that is torturing them.
People will end up dead or mentally scarred due to depression.
It is not acceptable. 
We are talking about human beings here, not furniture.

18.  Illegal immigration should be illegal, as the word says...

19. The heavy banning makes the country like more like a concentration camp than like a country.

Yes, maybe it seems like you can say what you want in the west. But the mainstream media will not promote you if you do not fit their narrative, they can cut you out of a video,
they could find a way to defund you. They could villify you in the media. There are creating a fake atmosphere of freedom.
Or if they see that your opinion would have no serious impact on them, they could let you speak. 

Martin

@MayCaesar

I do not see why you are criticising Russia so much. Especially Russia that is not the Soviet Union.
People in the west can fake that they accept you as a Russian, as long as you declare your dislike towards Russia or Putin.
If you dare defend your country, most of them would suddenly drop their love for you. And then you see that is was never love.
Sadly, love from the west towards Russia is probably about 99% fake.
I know there are good people everywhere, but the general sentiment is mostly anti-Russian.

It is not a conspiracy, it is proved time and time again that the west probably LOATHES Russia and Serbia.
The west generally hates Slavs, this is more or less absolutely certain now. But when it comes to Russia and Serbia, it is not just hate, it is loathing.

MayCaesar

@Martin

Me? Pal, you brought up Russia. I think I made it clear where I stand with respect to these things in the very first comment:

MayCaesar said:

Now, this was me playing a devil's advocate and using your reasoning. I actually do not think these things meaningful. "Slav", "White", "European" - who cares? I only notice the color of my skin in the morning, when I take a shower and look in the mirror. And my "ethnicity" or "nationality" (I am technically a Slav as well) is completely irrelevant. People actually tend to mistake me for either an Italian or a Latino because of my mixed ancestry, and I feel no need to correct them. What does it matter?

You must be living in a nationalistic bubble if you think that people here "loath Russia and Serbia". Most will not be able to find these countries on the map. "Serbia - that is somewhere on the Middle East, correct?" I will be honest: I do not even know what language you guys speak - would have to look it up. I do not know the capital of Serbia. I have no idea what your country is like. How can I hate something that I do not know?

Your Slavic region is not the center of the world, buddy. Deal with it.

Bogan

@Martin

Martin quote  1. Russia had about 12000 or 15000 tanks since the war started. Ukraine will run out of manpower way before Russia runs out of anything. There are simply no men left for Ukraine. They are losing town after town. 

 Regardless of how many tanks Russia had before the war, they are now down to using 80 year old T-54/55 tanks and 60 year old T-62’s.      They seem to have run right out of 40 year old T-72’s.     Russia’s tank fleet, armoured infantry fighting vehicles, and artillery is getting smaller and smaller, and older and older, while Ukraine is still getting reinforced from Europe (and Australia) with ever more modern western tanks, APC’s. and artillery systems.     Ukraine’s morale is high while the Russian Army is close to outright mutiny.       One mutiny has already occurred with Prigozhin’s Wagner Group, who actually marched on Moscow.      The Russian economy is in the toilet, there are serious manpower shortages within Russian industry, serious shortages of high end chips to build more sophisticated weapons, and they are so short of cannon fodder to keep up the “human meat” kamikaze attacks, that they have begun recruiting Afghan, Arab, North Korean, and Nepalese mercenaries.

    

Martin quote     The only success lately was kursk, which will be fully retaken by Russia sooner or later.

Wrong.  They drove the Ivans right out of the city of Kherson, sunk the Russian Black Sea flagship, drove the Russian navy out of Sevastopol sinking almost a dozen Russian landing ships, ferries, missile corvettes, a frigate, and a submarine, along the way.        They retook Snake Island, and are now launching devastating drone strikes deep into Russia, which are destroying rather spectacularly, Russian logistics, ammunition dumps, and aircraft. They shot down three super expensive and rare IL -72 AWACS aircraft, and are driving home to the shocked Russian people that they now really are at war.     They even destroyed one of Russia’s new and much bragged about SU-57 stealth fighters.     Ukraine was originally given 16 HIMARS rocket systems, now they have 32.     Putin shiits blue bricks every time somebody says “HIMARS” or “ATACMS” anywhere near him. 

Martin quote  Israel commits ethnic cleansing.

So, where are all the Jews in Muslim countries?       For that matter, where are the Christians?    The Muslims have ethnically cleansed all Jews from their lands, and now they are coming after the Christians.   They are even attacking Christians in western societies.  There are now around two attacks on Christian churches or clergy in France every day.     Recently in my own country, Australia, a Muslim Jihadi launched a knife attack on a very senior Coptic Christian cleric in his own church, while he was conducting services.       The Muslims complaining about Jewish ethnic cleansing is like the Nazis complaining of the German ethnic cleansing which took place in every east European country after WW2.      You Serbs did a bit of ethnic cleansing yourselves in Kosovo, and here you are complaining about Israel doing what you did yourselves.   

 

Martin quote    They have shown they are an utterly disrespectful dysfunctional nation.

 Wrong.   The Jews have earned the respect of the free world, not by terrorism, but by their very real contributions to western science and technology.     Jewish citizens in western countries are peaceful, law abiding, and productive.    Muslims in western countries are characterised by endemic welfare dependency, welfare fraud, serious violent criminal behaviour, and terrorism. 

 

Martin quote  Why did they not accept proposals to have their state in Bavaria after WW2? 

I love history, but I never heard of that one before.     

Martin quote  They had to displace millions of Palestinians so that they can claim the land where there have not been for 3000 years?

The Jews have been in Israel/Palestine for 3500 years, so don’t tell me that they are not indigenous.      They have been driven out by their enemies twice and they always returned.      They have more right to Israel than the Muslims, who conquered them and enslaved them only 800 years ago.    All of North Africa was once Christian, along with most of the Middle east before the rampaging hordes of Muslims became the new conquerors.      The Muslims went on to attack Europe, including Spain, France, Italy, Malta, Sicily, and Austria for the next 1400 years, and they devastated Yugoslavia.     And you as a Serb are going into bat for the Muslims?     What is wrong with you? 

Martin quote  Albanians started comming into Kosovo after World War 2. Everything there is Serbian. We have so many Churches and so much history there. And we have people there that keep getting tortured by Albanians in Kosovo ("Kosovars"). Where is the Albanian history in Kosovo? A couple of mosques, and that is it.    Kosovo is regarded as the heart of Serbia in my country. There is absolutely no way that we will let them have it. If any Serbian president decides to change that, there will be a civil war in Serbia. He will not survive.

 I agree.    You have my permission to ethnically cleanse those Muslims in Kosovo and send them back to Albania.        The west is now waking up that they may have to do a bit of ethnic cleansing of Muslims themselves, if they want to keep their own countries.     With the demands by Muslims in Germany for a Muslim caliphate in Germany, most Germans wish that der Fuhrer was back.      Another funny story for you about Serbs in Australia.   When Australia began to import Muslims into Australia as immigrants and refugees, the Serbs I knew all said that “you Australians will be sorry”.  The Serbs were right.  We are. 

 

Martin quote  2.  They have huge quantities of tanks in stock.    The west cannot accurately measure the rate of Russian production.

 Satellite photo reconnaissance of Russian tank parks says you are wrong.    They may have a lot of tanks left, but what they have left has been sitting in the open for 60-80 years and is probably not salvageable.    A revised estimate of Russian T90M tanks has now risen from 10 a month to 20.    That is about three days worth of present Russian tank losses in Ukraine.       Every time a Russian tank crewman hears the word “NLAWS”, he hits the vodka. 

 

Martin quote  Even if they produce nothing, Ukraine will run out of troops far sooner that Russia runs out of anything.

 At the moment, Russia is running out of artillery shells, tanks, armoured vehicles, ships, men, and money.  

 

Martin quote  Russia won World War 2 with over 8 million soldiers killed and 80000+ tanks lost. 

 Somebody forgot to tell you that if Britain had not given Russia Hurricane and Spitfire fighters, Matilda tanks, and 10,000 trucks, and if the yanks had not given Stalin B-25 bombers, A-20 attack bombers, thousands of Aircobras and P-39 fighters, 50,000 GMC trucks, and a million tons of Spam, the Russians would still be trying to take Berlin.   Stalin was so embarrassed that the Red Army ran on US Spam, that he had a factory kept where the workers removed the US labels on the cans, and replaced them with Russian ones.  

 

Martin quote     If i say that I am a tree, that does not make me a tree,

But if you say you are a Serb, that makes you a Serb, especially if you fight to defend your own identity. 

 

Martin quote   The Ukraine means "Borderland" when translated. It was objectively a borderland of Russia.

 Regardless of what it means, Ukraine is a “country” and is registered as such with the United Nations.   As such, it’s borders are just as defined and inviolate as every other nations borders are supposed to be.      All over the world there are border disputes.     So, if you think that war is justified every time some two bit dictator in some dystopian nation claims the land of a neighbour, on some historical pretext or another, you are going to see the entire world in flames.

  

Martin quote   Most european nations exist for centuries.

 And who owns what land is still in dispute.    Poland claims that Belorussian land really belongs to Poland.   Kaliningrad is really East Prussia.   The Japs want their Kurile Islands back which the Russians stole from them in 1945.  Spain wants Gibraltar back.     Argentina wants the Falkland Islands.   China wants Taiwan. 

 

 

Martin quote  The Ukrainian identity is artificially made. 

 So is everybody else’s identity.    The Taiwanese say that are Taiwanese, not Chinese.     Australia has only existed as a country for 124 years.  

Martin quote   Russia does not target civillians. The western media is doing hardcore nitpicking and twisting in order to try to present Russia as an enemy. Ironic, since they support Israeli genocide in Palestine.

 I saw on youtube the Russian cluster bombs going off in Kiev, which is a war crime.        I saw scores of large civilian apartment blocks in Kiev and Kharkiev, hit dead centre by Russian missiles, which must have been full of terrified civilian, men, women and children.     I saw with my own eyes a Russian BMP-2 open fire with a 20mm cannon on an elderly couple in car and blow the car and it’s occupants to bits.     I saw with my own eyes a civilian car with three women and a man driving, trying to escape the fighting, run into a Russian patrol.   I saw with my own eyes the man get out of the car, hold his arms in the air, and turn around to show he was not armed.  And that was when the Ivans opened up on him and killed him and his wife.     The next day, a Ukrainian soldier was standing beside the car and you could clearly see the dead wife with her head resting on the dashboard.   The Ukrainian soldier said that the other women in the car at the time were the man’s daughters. “and we don’t know what happened to them.”    I saw the dead bodies of civilians dotted down the streets of Kupiansk, who had their hands tied behind their backs and who had obviously been executed.    I saw with my own eyes on a security camera, a bunch of Russian soldiers shoot dead an unarmed security guard on a factory gate who spoke to the Russian soldiers who were trying to smash their way into the place.      Don’t tell me it is just western propaganda.

   

Martin quote    Let us look at the Canadian election in 2021 for instance. Trudeau won with 5.5 million votes. Canada had about 37 million people.  He basically won with 15% percent of the entire population supporting him.
When we look at only those who are eligible to vote, he won with 20-25%.    Where is the majority here?    The western democracies are so unstable. No one knows if a country like that could ever recover from a bad mistake. Britain is becoming a muslim country now. When and how will it change course? 

 Same in Australia.    But we would rather live in Canada or Australia than in Russia, where the “government” consists of 0.0001% of the population, who is a war mongering nut case.   . 

Martin quote    The "Kosovar" formations were terrorist formations funded by the USA. They committed horrendous crimes on innocent Serbs in Kosovo. it is a fact.

 I believe you.    And Serbia executed thousands of Muslims, and put a lot of them into concentration camps.   Which is why NATO intervened.      NATO was not going to put up with another Auschwitch in the 1980’s.      You should have kept the damned press away.      You silly boys.    You farked up there.       

 

Martin quote  My country does NOT discriminate people. My country is one of the most welcoming countries to foreigners in the world.

 So, how many Muslim “refugees” did you Serbs take last year?

 

Martin quote  . I already stated what Ukraine was and is doing to Russia and Russians. Putin is not looking for the so called lebensraum. It is another western media spin.

 I don’t believe you, and neither does Poland, Lithuania, Moldova, Latvia, Estonia, Sweden, or Finland. 

 

Martin quote       It does not matter really if the country is called Ukraine or Australia or France. If it posed a threat to Russia and Russians in the way Ukraine did (and geographically in the place of Ukraine), Russia would have to demilitarize and denazify the country.

Using that logic, since 32 nations within NATO can see Russia as an existential threat, NATO should invade Russia.   

Martin quote     It does not matter if Zelensky is a Jew or any other race. He is a war criminal and very possibly a drug addict.

Yet he can appear on the front lines in combat gear and his own soldiers love him, and want to take "selfies" of him with them.     If Putin did the same thing, his own soldiers would shoot him.   

   

Martin quote   We are talking about human beings here, not furniture. If people migrate against their will, it is in most cases not an easy and pleasant thing to do.

 It is still better than a war where millions are dead, or are going to die.       If Ukrainian Russians feel that they are persecuted in Ukraine, and want to be a part of Russia, then go and live in Russia.   Russia definitely has plenty of room.      Wars are bad for children and other living things.     

Martin quote    I would be careful on trusting the western media for info about a country that the western media hates. 

  I would trust the western media a lot more than I would trust Putin’s propaganda machine.    Especially when the western media post video’s where I can see what is happening, right before my eyes.      

 Martin quote  NATO, an organization that keeps terrorizing the world decides to suddenly help some nations that have fear against Russia?

 No, Finland and Sweden, two neutral nations, asked to join NATO because Russia is showing signs of being an expansionist state who attacks its neighbors,  and it is run by a dictator who wants to re create the old Soviet Union. 

 

 Martin quote  A lot of those 32 countries are imperialist countries.

 SO what?    Every great power has historically indulged in imperialism, and often it was to the benefit of the conquered nations.   Have a look at Africa since the Brits gave up on them?    The blacks wanted the “imperialists” out, and now they all want to live with the “imperialists.”       Australia and India were imperial colonies, and we still love the Brits.   The white Brits, anyway.    The Muslim ones should immigrate to Serbia, where you Serbians are so friendly and welcoming.  

 

 Martin quote   Histories of ethnic cleansing and plunder. 

 That sounds funny coming from a Serb.     Serbian ethnic cleaning of Muslims and Croats okay.   Anybody else doing it, not okay? 

 

  Martin quote  And most of those western european countries keep putting pressure on mine to give up Kosovo. Germany is one of the biggest advocates.

 Not quite.   You mean the European elites who ignore the wishes of their own people, and try and show how virtuous they are by sticking up for Muslims, keep putting pressure on Serbia to give up on Kosovo.   Don’t worry, with the new wave of anti Muslim, right wing government being elected into power in European countries, Serbia might have a few European countries as your allies, soon?      If the wimpy euros grow some balls and start doing a Kosovo to their own unwanted and troublesome Muslim guests, you Serbs can poke fun at the Euros for doing what you Serbs had to do.

 

Martin quote     Siding with the vultures who want to tear Russia apart. 

While you side with Putin and his vultures who keep attacking his neighbours.   It looks like the Chechens, the Georgians, and the Armenians are about to give Putin the finger soon.        If I were Putin, I would be a lot more worried about China than NATO.     Russia is probably on the way to falling apart, like it did in 1917.     Ji Jin Peng is rubbing his hands together in anticipation.   

 
Martin quote  Croatia should be disbanded as a country immediately. 
They commited a mass genocide of 700000 Serbs during World War 2, among other Jews and Roma mostly. 
But the number of 700000 Serbs is astonishing. 
They drove out 200000+ Serbs from croatia in 1995. 
They are celebrating what happened in 1995 every year.
That country is one of the most decrepit institutions in history.

 At least you Yugoslavs proved that multicultural Balkanisation does not work.  

Martin quote   I see that you take the idea of extermination lightly. I see it as a pattern in the wests mindset. Exterminate who they seem fit in order to live a slightly more comfortable life.    It is utterly unnacceptable. We are talking about people. Not furniture.

 Rubbish.   Western people are so fat and lazy that the idea of going to war with anybody does not even register on them.     A British general only recently said in the British media that war with Russia was inevitable, and that the British government should re institute conscription.   This was greeted with howls of laughter from the British working class, who always make up the backbone of the British armed forces.     What sane British white man would want to fight for a government that wants to replace his own race within their own country, and who despises their own country and it’s proud history, and who also despises the very people they want to become the next generation of British soldiers, sailors, and airmen?   

Martin quote  The Russians did not destroy Germany after they occupied it. Destruction and ethnic cleansing is not in their DNA. 

They looted the place and raped every German female from 8 to 80 that they could get their hands on.    The Germans recently took down from a German park a Soviet built statue of the Unknown Russian Soldier who “liberated” Germany.   The Germans called it “The Tomb of the Unknown Russian Rapist.”    German POW’s were slaves in Russian gulags for ten years after WW2 finished. 

 

Martin quote  Compared to what Germany did to them, they did absolutely nothing to Germany. 

 Hitler used exactly the same excuse to invade his neighbors, as Putin is using today to invade his neighbors.   And you support him?    The Russians did exactly the same things to their neighbors, that the Germans did to their neighbors.  Ask the Poles about Katyin.  Ask the peaceful Finns.   What was the difference between German concentration camps where millions died, and Soviet Gulags where millions died?      After the Russians sold out Yugoslavia to the Nazis in 1942, Tito never trusted Russians again, and he would not allow Yugoslavia to join the Warsaw Pact.     And here you are sticking up for those Russian bastards who sold your country out to their ally, Nazi Germany.      Tito in his grave is looking askance at you.  

Martin

@Bogan




I would recommend you to watch this video until the first hour mark, or until 59 minutes.
This can be seen as a sum of what is going on right now.
I believe it is even very deeper than this, but it is very informative.
It sums up a lot of US policy against Russia and many other countries.

Martin

@MayCaesar

I do believe there is a darker side of the story in terms of American or general western european policy towards Russia.
Thought maybe mostly American these days.
The number of arguments and facts is very heavy.
When it comes to what we see in front of our eyes, even then it is very suspicious.
Do you have an explanation of continual US hostility of Russia, since you do not know much of Serbia?

MayCaesar

@Martin

My observation is that Russians care much more about America, than Americans about Russia. Most Americans think about Russia 2-3 times per year when a dissident dies there or Putin threatens to nuke someone, and that is about it. Russians, however, are obsessed with America - and project their obsession onto Americans.

Factfinder

@MayCaesar

You've nailed it on this thread. I still find it bizarre how you can let people know you're a Slav, you came from eastern Europe, Russia, and STILL they carryon on as if your comparisons between east and west are false? It just makes me think why? Why don't people want to believe you and just want to hate things they know nothing about? Just amazing. I'd think listening to what you say would be a priority considering you've lived under both systems.   

MayCaesar

@Factfinder

Humans have strong confirmation bias. If someone has been told their whole life by their parents, their society and their government that things are a certain way, then the evidence has to pretty much hit them in the face for them to reconsider their beliefs. Otherwise they will just assume that everyone who disagrees with them is either ignorant or dishonest.

Bogan

Humans have strong confirmation bias. If someone has been told their whole life by their parents, their society and their government that things are a certain way, then the evidence has to pretty much hit them in the face for them to reconsider their beliefs. Otherwise they will just assume that everyone who disagrees with them is either ignorant or dishonest.

Some people told Factfinder for his entire life that all races are equal and he has internalised that rubbish so much that he does not even want to think about it.   Nor engage in meaningful debate about it.  

just_sayin

Bogan said:

Humans have strong confirmation bias. If someone has been told their whole life by their parents, their society and their government that things are a certain way, then the evidence has to pretty much hit them in the face for them to reconsider their beliefs. Otherwise they will just assume that everyone who disagrees with them is either ignorant or dishonest.

Some people told Factfinder for his entire life that all races are equal and he has internalised that rubbish so much that he does not even want to think about it.   Nor engage in meaningful debate about it.  

I got to side with the Deacon here.  A unique aspect of the Old Testament Law Code was that it did not have different penalties for people based on their class or race.  That's different than other law codes of the time.  The Code of Hammurabi did prescribe different punishments depending on social status. The code distinguished between three main social classes and applied different punishments based on the class of the offender and victim. A fundamental belief communicated in the first chapters of Genesis is that all humans are made in the image of God and therefore have value.  It stresses that we all have a common ancestry. The laws applied to all classes of people. Laws like this one didn't exist in other ancient law codes:

Do not pervert justice; do not show partiality to the poor or favoritism to the great, but judge your neighbor fairly - Leviticus 19:15

You just got to know that that verse drives leftists crazy who believe justice depends on your income or race.

As I've pointed out before - correlation does not equal causation.  Some races have different results as a whole, due to other factors than race - income, culture, etc.  But everyone deserves to be treated fairly.

Martin

@Factfinder

Can you provide actual proof that the USA (also with its proxies in Nato) is not trying to destroy Russia?

Martin

@MayCaesar

What are the major sign of prosperity in the USA?

The record high fentanyl deaths?
The record high homicide rates?
The record high devorce rates?
The record high prices?
The record high homelessness?
The record high media ownage of the left?
The record high illiteracy in schools?
The record high anti-homeless benches?
The record high celebrity involment in shady affairs? (That we know of - P. Diddy)
The record high college admission prices?
The record high usage of antidepressants?
A demented president?
The record high tension between democrats and republicans?
The record high cases of looting and stealing?
The record high illegal immigration?
The record high filth in subway stations and in general?

Bogan

@Martin

Hi Martin.    I watched 17 minutes of your video link before I switched it off.     It was pretty much what I expected it was going to be, and I think that the rest of it would not have made any impression on me either.     I really like Tucker Carlson and I think that usually, he nails it.    But this time he is being led up the garden path and I disagree with both him and the person who he is talking to.     It s difficult to watch something when you have no right of challenge, or right of reply.    I can not debate a video link.

The gentleman advising Tucker Carlson seems to think that the yanks and NATO just want on gang up on poor, peace loving Putin's Russia.     Nothing could be further from the truth.     That is like saying that Britain, France and the USA in 1939 just wanted to gang up on poor, peace loving Nazi Germany, Imperial Japan, and Fascist Italy.     The US and NATO are not always right, I opposed the Vietnam war, and I opposed NATO's war on Serbia.    But the west, when it goes to war, usually gets it right.      Neither NATO or the USA are conquerors who just want to steal other people land (not anymore, anyway)     If they were , then Germany, Italy, Iraq,  and Japan would now be part of the USA, Britain, and France.     The Germans, Italians, and Japanese do not fear the USA or NATO.       But every democratic country fears expansionist totalitarian states.      Especially those nations who were once the captives of that expansionist totalitarian states.   The bad guys in the world today is not NATO or the USA, it is Nazi Russia, Nazi China, Nazi Iran, and Nazi North Korea.      And if the good guys of the world seek to contain the bad guys, then I see nothing wrong with that.

I have asked you twice now that if 32 of the most peaceful and socially advanced counties of the world are uniting against one other country, which country do you think is the problem?   Twice now, you have refused to answer this reasonable question.    I think that the reason why you keep running away from answering  this crucial question is because you know in your own mind that expansionist Russia is the problem..   My memory of the fall of the Soviet Union, and the economic changes in China,  was relief all throughout the western world.    It was hoped that both democratic Russia and even totalitarian China would both become welcome partners on the world economy, and it was especially hoped that China would eventually go democratic.    My memory also seems to recall that NATO even offered Russia membership in NATO.      All over Europe, defense budgets shrank because Russia was considered no longer a threat to world peace.        Britain got rid of hundreds of Challenger 2 tanks because it was believed that war in Europe would never happen again.

Along came Putin.   Having an ex KGB boss run your country is never a good idea,      However much western leaders tried to cozy up to Putin, Putin himself never had any intention of returning the goodwill that NATO countries were bestowing upon him, especially when it came to advanced technology transfers.      What he wanted was the return of the Soviet Union.    When he first went around attacking his much smaller neighbors, using the excuse of protecting Russian minorities within those countries, western nations were concerned, but were never going to do anything about it.   Nobody wanted problems with Russia.    Europe wanted Russian oil and gas badly, and so they looked the other way.     When Russia attacked Crimea, the western nations still looked the other way, and justified Putin's land grab by conceding that Russian had a historical claim over Crimea.       When Putin invaded eastern Ukraine, the western world grew ever more concerned, but still did nothing.     It was only when Putin launched a full scale, and yes, unprovoked attack on all of Ukraine, that just like Hitler and his attack on Poland, he went too far.      For your information, Ukraine was always trying to join NATO, but NATO always refused because they knew how super sensitive NATO bases in Ukraine would be to Russia.         NATO did not want to provoke Russia, but NATO was expanding eastward because of Russia's increasingly hostile and belligerent behaviour.   Nobody had to twist the arms of former Warsaw pact countries to join NATO, they were all clamoring for NATO protection from their always aggressive neighbour.    

ZeusAres42

MayCaesar said:

@Martin

My observation is that Russians care much more about America, than Americans about Russia. Most Americans think about Russia 2-3 times per year when a dissident dies there or Putin threatens to nuke someone, and that is about it. Russians, however, are obsessed with America - and project their obsession onto Americans.

It's interesting that you should mention this. After having several conversations on Discord recently with several Yankees, it seems they don't take Russia that seriously at all. 

I have noticed that Putin seems obsessed with the USA and the West as a whole. Incidentally, (you may have heard a similar expression), but one of my favourites is "don't show all your cards to the opponent." And it seems Putin loves showing his cards. On the other hand, the USA often seems to have something up its sleeves that no one else knows about! 

@MayCaesar

Dreamer

@Martin

Others might disagree, but this post shows that we do need to talk more about race.

"And why do you dislike "white" people?"

False accusation. Woke or the pejorative term neoliberalism want equity as oppose to being anti-white. Yes, some racialized individuals have more wealth than the poorest whites. Yet, overall white people are better off economically, thus white privilege.

Almost all the presidents have been white men. Liberals want American Indians to tell their side of the story and children to understand the complex civilizations of the triple alliance, Maya, Inca, and many more. As opposed to the myth that Christopher Columbus discovered American, he didn't even set foot in America. Or the stereotypes when in fact American Indians built entire cities and in many ways more civilized than Europeans.

The accusation of anti-white is a tired overused trope by the far right that has been used for a very long time against any call for racial equity.

Dreamer

@Martin

There is legitimate criticism that seeing the world in Black and white has its problems. Yet, this doesn't take away from Driving while Black or other racism whether it be implicit bias, systematic, or old school intentional.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Driving_while_black

Liberals do see in terms of national origin, religion, ethnicity, as well as race. For example in White Fragility Robin Diangelo forgets Pacific Islanders which are Asian but have a different ethnicity and don't fit into her mold of affluent Asian people and in fact many Pacific and Hawaiian Islanders live in poverty. Trying to end discrimination is difficult work and yes liberals mess up from time to time and are rightfully criticized. But at least they are trying.

Don't believe me, look at all the talk of disparities harming Black and Hispanic. Hispanic is an ethnicity. Yes, some liberals see in terms of Black and White but most don't and see ethnicity and more.

Martin

@Dreamer

The people who you consider "far right" are the Ukrainian nazi Azov batallions that openly salute Hitler, 
or the Israeli army that commits genocide on a daily basis nowadays.
Or the US democratic party that bombs people around the world.

When you say "far right", you are probably talking about people who just want to have a family and a normal life without letting the gay lobby torture them. 
Why would I believe that US democratic party is made up of good guys after what they are doing to the world and to their own country?
Kamala and Biden are saying lies after lies.
I am not for the death penalty, but the people who invented modern feminism, transgenderism and gender identities  should maybe receive the death penalty.
Along with Kamala and Biden and any other president that continues to advocate for this gender lunacy.
These things can cause major psychological trauma. Especially when there is a full genital switch (which is impossible of course, just like it is impossible for a man to become a woman and vice-versa).

I am sure that there are many liberals who care about people and want to create a better world, but your modern liberal leaders are vile and corrupt to the bone. 

Also, a big issue that I see is that democrats mostly talk about money and how it should be dispersed.
They should actually research about how they could make people genuinely happier.
Taking away from someone and giving it to someone else is kind of degrading both to the person losing and receiving person.

I think that a major problem in America is that a lot of people do not care about each other, so they try to prove that they do by virtue signalling. But it is fake and very obviouly not genuine. Its hypocritical. i am not talking about most Americans here, I am talking about those people who are shamelessly scamming others by guilt-tripping them into their lies - for example Alexandra Ocasio Cortez. 

Martin

@Dreamer

By the way, why would you care about one group of people more than the other?

Just get rid of those false equity programs for a start, stop talking about races, and eventually things will get sorted out.
Talk about races only when you clearly see that there is an institution that hunts down a particular racial group.
Like the West is hunting down Russians and Serbs for decades now and no one says anything.
Why do you not voice your concern for Russians and Serbs for example? 
The American foreign policy is hell-bent right now on destroying Russia and Serbia.
They are trying to destroying Russia by sending Ukrainians(Ukrainians are biologically and historically Russians) to their deaths.
I is a strategy of "Divide et impera"( divide and conquer).

Martin

@ZeusAres42

Lets see, Russia has been very vulnearble from 1991 til a couple years ago.
Why didnt the USA pull a magic trick and defeat Russia from that time till now?
The only trick I see is that Russia gains control of entire Ukraine (which is possible).

Martin

@Bogan

You are disregarding heavy evidence.
The "advanced" western countries are technologically advanced because they have the resources which the stole from all over the world. Not because they are necessarily smart. That is obvious. 
There is no such thing as racial superiority. There should not be a "golden billion".
A big difference between the west and Russia is that the west was willing to cross the moral red line and commit crimes to peoples around the world.
That is how those countries got rich.
NATO is the problem in europe. It is nowadays mostly driven or forced by the USA to wage war with Russia.
It is absolutely not Russia.

Factfinder

@Martin

Can you provide actual proof that the USA (also with its proxies in Nato) is not trying to destroy Russia?

Yes. Russia still exists. If America wanted Russia gone it would be a barren wasteland or it's citizens would be reading street signs in English under the banner of the American flag.

Martin

@Factfinder

You probably forgot that Russia has nuclear submarines near the US east coast, and nuclear bombs which can reach Yellowstone and do such high damage that no further escalation would take place.
If only one hits Yellowstone, it is probably over for the United States. 

I do not harbor hate for the United States, there are many good people there. A lot of their current politicians are corrupt and vile to the bone sadly.
It is generally harder to hear the good ones.

Factfinder

Martin said:

@Factfinder

You probably forgot that Russia has nuclear submarines near the US east coast, and nuclear bombs which can reach Yellowstone and do such high damage that no further escalation would take place.
If only one hits Yellowstone, it is probably over for the United States. 

I do not harbor hate for the United States, there are many good people there. A lot of their current politicians are corrupt and vile to the bone sadly.
It is generally harder to hear the good ones.

No I didn't.

You asked a ridiculous question which is why I responded in kind. Politicians in this country mention other nations in a specific light only to manipulate the voting bases, nothing more. We as a nation has long since learned that invading a country is very different than occupying one. Something Russia still hasn't learned. That is why your question was ridiculous.

Martin

@Bogan

I should have added that Putin did ask the USA if he could join NATO. They told him they would think about it. Later they refused.

Bogan

Martin quote   You are disregarding heavy evidence.

 Pretty poor rebuttal, Martin.    I wrote a 2000 word reply to you explaining the historical perspective, and explaining to you why NATO expanded eastwards, and all you can do (other than repeatedly dodge a crucial question) is to come out with a pithy statement like that. 

 

Martin quote   The "advanced" western countries are technologically advanced because they have the resources which the stole from all over the world.

There was always going to be a time in the history of this planet, (and maybe a lot of other planets as well), when the advanced societies within those planets would get so technologically advanced, that they would go on to explore and settle their entire planet.      If black African people had coastal harbours, herdable animals, and different types of crops, while white people had nothing but kangaroos and macadamia nuts, then black people would have dominated the world.     The fact that it was the other way around is just an accident of environmental circumstances.

 

Martin quote   Not because they are necessarily smart. That is obvious. 

 IQ is measurable, and races have different collective bell curves of intelligence.      Living for many generations within a technologically advanced society makes entire populations smarter.    Which is why those races which never lived previously in technologically advanced societies struggle to live in the technologically advanced societies of today.     THAT is obvious. 

 

Martin quote     There is no such thing as racial superiority.

That depends upon which quality you are looking for.    Black Africans are better adapted to live in hot, sunny environments because they have an evolutionary advantage.    They have superior solar protection for their skin.    And since they are evolutionary adapted to hunt game in hot African savannas, they make exceptional athletes in any sport involving running.      But they can not swim for shiit, and their collective brains have never developed because they have always (until recently) lived in hand to mouth societies. 

 

Martin quote     There should not be a "golden billion".

 I have never heard that term before and can only guess what it means? 

 

 Martin quote  A big difference between the west and Russia is that the west was willing to cross the moral red line and commit crimes to peoples around the world.

Are you seriously trying to say that Russia never expanded and did a bit of imperialism itself?     Like, you are joking right?   The Soviet Union was an empire, which collapsed like Yugoslavia did when the different ethnicities and cultures Russia had conquered rebelled, when the Soviet Union collapsed.     What was once the Soviet Union is now around a dozen separate countries.     And Ukraine is one of them. 

The western world created the prosperity and technology that is in the world today.   Those smart Asian societies which adapted western way have prospered, while those which took only from the west that which was valuable to them while trying to hold onto elitist political or religious systems, decayed.     Look around your home and name even one consumer product, high technology, or medicine, that was not invented in the west.  Name one African or Muslim country you would like to immigrate into?   

 

Martin quote      That is how those countries got rich.

 Seems to me that you are resentful that the West Europeans were so smart?     Europeans got rich because they stoped believing in religious explanations for everything, and instead looked for natural explanations, using science.   As their understanding of the natural world expanded, they were able to use that knowledge to create the technologies that the entire world uses today. 

 

Martin quote     NATO is the problem in europe.

 Then why do so many countries want to join NATO?     Answer the farking question and stop dodging it.     NATO is not like the Warsaw Pact, where Russia had to force its captive nations to join at the point of a bayonet.     When Tito refused to join the Warsaw Pact, Stalin threated to invade Yugoslavia.   And here you are, a Serb, claiming that Russia, the country which almost invaded you in order to turn you into another slave state, (no pun intended) the same county which sold Yugoslavia out to the Nazis in WW2, is some kind of nice guys who are no threat to world peace. 

 

Martin quote     It is nowadays mostly driven or forced by the USA to wage war with Russia.

I have no idea of how you could even think that way?     Europe did not want any problems with Russia, which is why they continued financing Russian oil and gas (over the objections of President Trump) while allowing their own defenses to wither.      The reason why neutral Finland and Sweden finally stopped being neutral and instead, ASKED to join NATO, is because once again, Russia is belligerent and expansionist totalitarian state which, like China, Iran, and North Korea, is a threat to world peace. 

 

 Martin quote  It is absolutely not Russia.

 32 of the most advanced and peaceful societies on earth, the very countries where Serbs want to immigrate into, do not agree with you.    Are you just resentful because your requests to immigrate into the USA, Canada, Australia, Holland, Denmark, Germany, or New Zealand got rejected? 

Martin

@Bogan

You are basing the lives of the entire Russian people on superstition.
Serbia is friendly to Russia, we have  good relations with them.
The soviet union was an anti-Russian and anti-Serb state, based on communism that originated in europe.
Yugoslavia was an anti-Serb state.
Our people here generally love Russia.
Meanwhile, the west shows their love for us by blackmail, brute force, and subversion. 

Bogan

@Martin

Martin quote   You are basing the lives of the entire Russian people on superstition.

I have no idea what that even means? 

   

Martin quote    Serbia is friendly to Russia, we have  good relations with them.

You may have good relations with them now, but they once declared their intention of invading your country, and they even tried to assassinate your famous leader, Josip Broz Tito.       With friends like that, who needs enemies? 

 

Martin quote     The soviet union was an anti-Russian and anti-Serb state, based on communism that originated in Europe.

The Soviet Union was the Russian empire.   And a lot of ideas, good and bad, originated in Europe. 

 

Martin quote  Yugoslavia was an anti-Serb state.

Not according to my perception of history.    The other ethnicities in Yugoslavia resented the Serbs, especially the Catholic Croats, because Yugoslavia was basically a Serbian dominated state. 

  Martin quote  Our people here generally love Russia.  

Then why do so many Serbs immigrate into Australia, or the evil west, instead of Russia?     (another question you are too frightened to answer).

 Martin quote.  Meanwhile, the west shows their love for us by blackmail, brute force, and subversion. 

 Okay, you are sore at the west for bombing Belgrade for 80 odd days.      I disagreed with that because I know my history, and I know that Serbia has always been the front line of Europe from Muslim aggression.     But here in the west a lot of “humanitarian” left wing politicians lost track of reality, and they thought more of sucking up to the Muslims by showing how NATO would even protect Muslims, than by thinking straight about the dangers of Islam.         But don’t worry, you Serbs will soon be laughing about that mistake.     With Muslims now causing so much trouble in western Europe, the once apathetic and wimpy Euros are now starting to wake up to what their apathy and humanitarian ideals have cost them.      They are going to either have to do what you Serbs did in Kosovo, or they are going to lose their own countries.   In Britain, British people are marching and screaming in the streets “we want our country back!” 

Dreamer

@Martin

Liberals don't care for one group more than another. We just stick up for the underdog against the oppressor. In this case Russia attacked unprovoked against Ukraine. That's a reason to side with Ukraine.

Martin

@Dreamer

If you could tell me, what are the major signs of prosperity in the USA?

The record high fentanyl deaths?
The record high homicide rates?
The record high divorce rates?
The record high prices?
The record high homelessness?
The record high media ownage of the left?
The record high illiteracy in schools?
The record high anti-homeless benches?
The record high celebrity involment in shady affairs? (That we know of - P. Diddy)
The record high college admission prices?
The record high usage of antidepressants?
A demented president?
The record high tension between democrats and republicans?
The record high cases of looting and stealing?
The record high illegal immigration?
The record high filth in subway stations and in general?
The record high abortion rate?

What about school shootings?

Biden/Harris did nothing to solve these issues, or any other real issue for that matter (disregarding the horrendously bad current foreign policy).

Bogan

@Martin ;    If you could tell me, what are the major signs of prosperity in the USA?

The most obvious is, that millions of people every year either immigrate into the USA, or try to illegally barge their way in.     Nobody wants to live in Serbia, including the Serbs.  

Martin

@Bogan

My country is a great country, a lot of people love to visit and live here.
I will not debate you further.

MayCaesar

Martin said:

@Factfinder

You probably forgot that Russia has nuclear submarines near the US east coast, and nuclear bombs which can reach Yellowstone and do such high damage that no further escalation would take place.
If only one hits Yellowstone, it is probably over for the United States. 

I do not harbor hate for the United States, there are many good people there. A lot of their current politicians are corrupt and vile to the bone sadly.
It is generally harder to hear the good ones.

You have to pick one, buddy... Either Russia was weak in the 90-s and the US could have destroyed it if they wanted to, or Russia was not and the US could not have.  Not sure why you are singling out Russia though: what about Iran (weak in the 90-s too), or Venezuela (weak now), or Cuba (always been weak), or Palestine (lol)? Somehow the US are out to conquer the entire world, and simultaneously are not doing anything even when the cost of conquering a territory would be negligible. Your theory is... suspect.

And no, a nuclear explosion cannot trigger awakening of an old volcano. You might not know the scale of the things we are talking about here. Nuclear explosions barely make a dent in the ground. To trigger Yellowstone's eruption, technology is required that humanity is not going to even conceive of any time soon.

If that is Russia's plan for a war with the US, then the war will be pretty swift.

Martin said:

@Bogan

My country is a great country, a lot of people love to visit and live here.
I will not debate you further.

You might think so, but in the eyes of the 99% of the human population it is nothing but a tiny smudge on the map. Rest easy: nobody wants to conquer you.

I love traveling, but on the list of countries I want to visit Serbia is pretty close to the bottom. Sorry. Really cannot find any reason to go there other than having visited everywhere else.