Nothing v. Something?

maxx

pretty hypocritical when you claim that god has always existed  and can not even prove he is there save for pointing at a book that says he does. Is that all you are capable rick? is all of your education nothing more than a book? @RickeyHoltsclaw

RickeyHoltsclaw

@maxx ; The "Book" is our Creator's introduction to His created beings within the Realm of Time. Jesus is our Creator's hypostatic union into Time via flesh. The "proof" is in "faith" that is the catalyst to "knowing" and "understanding" and "assurance" as the indwelling Holy Spirit enters the life, forever, of the one who "believes" Jesus is Messiah. This sounds as foolishness to you because you're dead spiritually and lack knowledge of Truth by volition...you have chosen death and wastefulness and you're offended by the Truth I share...this is your own choosing...you belong to Satan; therefore, enjoy your path but Jesus stands ready and willing to forgive, forget, restore.

Factfinder

False dichotomy. Atheists don't claim 'nothing' created everything generally as atheism is just non belief in imagined gods to date. Theists assert imaginative characters from bronze aged myth books created everything.

maxx

that is a belief, not proof. @RickeyHoltsclaw

MayCaesar

In the words of one Starcraft character, "There is no greater void than the one between your ears". There is no "nothing" anywhere, except inside the skull of a theist!

21CenturyIconoclast

@RickeyHoltsclaw

DUMB RICKEY'S QUOTE OF LYING AGAIN:  "...... as the indwelling Holy Spirit enters the life, forever, of the one who "believes" Jesus is Messiah."

AGAIN, Rickey outright LIE*S in saying that Jesus is the Messiah as I have biblically shown he is NOT in the following post/link!
https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/193204/#Comment_193204

We can only wonder in how RickeyHoltsclaw feels deep down into his Satanic soul in knowing that he is LYING when he says that Jesus is the Messiah!







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just_sayin

21CenturyIconoclast said:

@RickeyHoltsclaw

DUMB RICKEY'S QUOTE OF LYING AGAIN:  "...... as the indwelling Holy Spirit enters the life, forever, of the one who "believes" Jesus is Messiah."

AGAIN, Rickey outright LIE*S in saying that Jesus is the Messiah as I have biblically shown he is NOT in the following post/link!
https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/193204/#Comment_193204

We can only wonder in how RickeyHoltsclaw feels deep down into his Satanic soul in knowing that he is LYING when he says that Jesus is the Messiah!







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Why do you keep repeating debunked nonsense and bombing debates to attack Rickey?  Your false accusation was slapped down by me in post https://debateisland.com/discussion/comment/193260/#Comment_193260

A sign of being crazy is repeating the same action over and over and expecting a different outcome.  Did you really think that nobody would remember your humiliation?  Why do you keep repeating things that have been debunked?

Factfinder

@just_sayin

ROLMAO speaking of debunked: https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/193263/#Comment_193263

Fredsnephew

Argument Topic: Hey Rickey

@RickeyHoltsclaw

You know it doesn't make sense Rickey.

Stop fighting it.


OSISI is a hypothetical possibility.

Middle Eastern folk tales and myths are just that.

And the bible was compiled by blokes a few hundred years ago.

And before that other people made up other Gods and stuff.

RickeyHoltsclaw

@Fredsnephew ; What is OSISI?

21CenturyIconoclast

@just_sayin

YOUR DECEIVING QUOTE AGAIN:  "Why do you keep repeating debunked nonsense and bombing debates to attack Rickey?"

Reread this link to save yourself from further embarrassment AGAIN:  https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/193204/#Comment_193204

First thing bible fool, it has not been "debunked, especially by a numb-brain pseudo-christian like YOU! 


Address the following 2 biblical questions that explicitly shows the FACT that Jesus is not the Messiah!!!: 

1.  "Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel." (Isaiah 7:14)
What part of the statement; and shall call his name Immanuel don't you understand? Was Jesus ever called "Immanuel" like the failed prophecy in Isaiah 7:14 and Matthew 1:23, where the Messiah was to be called this name pertaining to the serial killer Jesus?  NO HE WAS NOT, therefore this is a failed prophecy and Jesus therefore cannot be the Messiah, period!

2.  Paul says Christianity lives or dies on the Resurrection (1 Corinthian 15:14-17). Yet Jesus said in Matthew 12:40 that he would be buried three days and three nights as Jonah was in the whale three days and three nights.  BUT, doing the simple math from Good Friday afternoon of Jesus' death to early Easter Sunday morning when Jesus arose from his tomb nap, IS ONLY ONE AND ONE HALF DAYS, so in Jesus  giving his followers a "sign" that he is the Messiah was false by his own and Paul’s admission because it was NOT like Jonah's scenario!!!   GET IT BIBLE DUNCE JUST_LYING?


Just_Lying, are you upset that Rickeyholtsclaw has returned where you are now the 2nd most BIBLE DUMB pseudo-christian within this Religion Forum?  








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21CenturyIconoclast

@RickeyHoltsclaw


As the membership can readily see, poor RickeyHoltsclaw is too embarrassed to address my post in the following link that shows the biblical axiom that Jesus IS NOT THE MESSIAH!  https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/193204/#Comment_193204

Furthermore, Rickey is now scared that when he erroneously states that Jesus is the Messiah, then Rickey is LYING, where Jesus' inspired words say that Rickey as  will be going to HELL upon his earthly demise, as shown in the following verse!

“But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, AND ALL LIARS, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.” (Revelation 21:8)


Poor RickeyHoltsclaw in telling the Atheists all the time in that they are going to HELL, where simply put, it is Rickey that will be swimming the sulfur lakes of Hell because of his outright lying stance in calling Jesus the Messiah!  LOL!!!








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RickeyHoltsclaw

@maxx ; Once again, "proof" is manifest when one "first" step-out in faith and sits quietly, carefully reads the "Gospel of John" with a heart willing to receive and a prayer asking for the Holy Spirit to enliven your mind with the Gospel Truth...then..."proof" is initiated in one's life and in one's heart; this, by faith in Jesus as one's Messiah. Until you're willing to humble yourself, get on your knees before our Creator and ask Him for "proof"...you will remain in spiritual ignorance and in an existence of death and Hell like the overwhelming majority in this demonically laden forum.

21CenturyIconoclast

@RickeyHoltsclaw

As we can all can see, the poor SCARED RickeyHoltsclaw is too embarrassed to see passages that he obviously never knew about in showing that Jesus IS NOT THE MESSIAH like he still thinks Jesus is!  But what did we expect from this Bible Dunce in the first place!  LOL!


I have already given 2 explicit biblical truths where it shows that Jesus is not the Messiah in the link below, so I'll add another one at Rickey's expense where he can sheepishly "shiver and hide" from this one as well!

 https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/193204/#Comment_193204


JESUS CAN’T BE THE MESSIAH BECAUSE HE ALLOWED THE VIOLATION OF THE SABBATH SUNDAY COMMANDMENT!

“Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is a sabbath to the LORD your God.” (Exodus 20:11)

BUT, the brutal serial killer Jesus of infants and suckling babies (1 Samuel 15:3) violates the Sabbath Sunday as shown herewith:

“At that time Jesus went through the grainfields on the Sabbath. His disciples were hungry and began to pick some heads of grain and eat them. When the Pharisees saw this, they said to him, “Look! Your disciples are doing what is unlawful on the Sabbath.” (Matthew 12:1-2)

Nonetheless, Jesus allowed his disciples to continue to work in picking grain that violates the 6TH Commandment verse in Exodus 20:11 herewith:  

“He answered, “Haven’t you read what David did when he and his companions were hungry? He entered the house of God, and he and his companions ate the consecrated bread—which was not lawful for them to do, but only for the priests………. For the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath.” (Matthew 12:3-4, 8)

The simple outcome is where Jesus denied and completely violated his fathers sixth commandment in letting his disciples work in picking grain as shown in Exodus 20:11 above, therefore, Jesus went against this bible verse: GOD SAID: "So you shall keep my commandments and do them: I am the Lord." (Leviticus 22:31)

IN DOING THE SIMPLE MATH, THAT POOR ...."RICKEYHOLTSCLAW".... WILL NEVER UNDERSTAND, IS THE FACT THAT JESUS WENT AGAINST HIS FATHER AS SHOWN ABOVE AND VIOLATED THE 6TH COMMANDMENT, AND THEREFORE CANNOT IN ANYWAY BE CONSIDERED THE MESSIAH IN THIS RESPECT, PERIOD!  2+2=4!

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Fredsnephew

Argument Topic: OSISI.

@RickeyHoltsclaw

Omni-Sensible Interventionist Super-Intelligence.

A hypothetical universal distributor of life.

Rather than a daft floaty about swarthy Middle Eastern bloke.

RickeyHoltsclaw

@Fredsnephew ; Elohim (Genesis 1:1) is your Creator...He has introduced Himself to you. You can trust in Him and believe what He has provided and find life, peace, assurance, joy, eternity - or - you can trust in a "bloke" and die in Hell in ignorance...it's your free will choice.

just_sayin

@21CenturyIconoclast
Your bogus claims were debunked.

Immanuel is indeed a name (appellation, title) used for Jesus, even to this day.  At Christmas you have probably heard them sing the song 'Oh come Emmanuel". Titles were also considered 'names' in ancient times.  Ask Alexander the Great.  The fact you want an Ancient Near Eastern Document to confirm to your mindset rather than the culture from which it came from, says more about your deficiencies than the Bible's.

Same goes for your bogus claim about 3 days.  it was explained to you that in that culture - how days were counted was different.  In fact, they didn't even start at midnight.  Any part of a day counted as its own day.  This was explained to you, but you continue to bitterly cling to your notion of days, rather than recognizing the culture from which the Bible was written in.  That speaks to your shortcomings, not the Bible's.  

just_sayin

RickeyHoltsclaw

The clip was hilarious and perfectly captures how atheists are willing to believe that literally nothing made everything.  For atheists who claim their nothing is something - then show me what it is and explain how a whole universe fit in zero space.  I'll wait for your response.  

RickeyHoltsclaw

@just_sayin ; For all intents and purposes, atheism does not exist...these people know better...no one with at least a modicum of commonsense, cognitive acuity, believes the ridiculous tenets of "Atheism." Atheism is an excuse, an attempt to justify one's sin and addiction to same in order to appease a seared conscience. These are "s-t-u-p-i-d" people...not dumb, not unintelligent, just s-t-u-p-i-d via a free will choice.

21CenturyIconoclast

@just_sayin



Just_LYING, your bible duncery has no bounds again!

 "Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel." (Isaiah 7:14)

AGAIN, what part of the statement; and shall "CALL HIS NAME Immanuel" don't you understand? Was Jesus ever called "Immanuel?" NO HE WASN'T, therefore this is a failed prophecy of Jesus not being the Messiah as per Matthew 1:23!

Put your primitive bible down for a while and take an online Reading Comprehension Class to save you from further embarrassment, understood?

"For just as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man BE THREE DAYS AND THREE NIGHTS in the heart of the earth." (Matthew 12:40)

Since you cannot do simple math problems as expected because the foundation of your thinking abilities is being a dumbfounded pseudo-christian, the following is biblical FACT you bible dolt!!!

1. From Good Friday afternoon of the mythical Jesus' death where that night is number one.
2. The end of Saturday is night number two
3. Early Easter Sunday morning when the serial killer Jesus arose as stated in Luke 24:1-3, he did not spend a "THIRD NIGHT" as the prophecy in Matthew 12:40 so states in becoming the Messiah!  Can you do this simple math?! Huh?

Therefore Jesus FAILED the prophecy of being the Messiah in relation to the Jonah scenario where Jesus had to spend a THIRD NIGHT,  of which he didn't,  for the prophecy of the Messiah to be true as in Matthew 12:40, GET IT BIBLE DUNCE number two?!



Just_LYING, to SCARED to "try" and respond to the image that was in my post".... LOL!





JUST_LYING, once again, are you to SCARED to offer another child like refutation to my third proof that Jesus is not the Messiah in this link?
https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/193303/#Comment_193303

Don't worry, I am keeping track of ALL my posts that you are running away from because of your outright bible stoopidity!  LOL!

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21CenturyIconoclast

@RickeyHoltsclaw

RickeyHoltsclaw, how does it feel for you to let the equal bible dunce "just_LYING" in trying to defend you upon the topic of Jesus not being the Messiah as I have proven without any doubt, because you can't do it yourself?  OMG, how embarrassing for you in front of Jesus where he specifically says for YOU to defend his faith herewith: "He must hold firm to the trustworthy word as taught, so that he may be able to give instruction in sound doctrine and also to rebuke those who contradict it." (Titus 1:9) 


RUN RICKEY, RUN AWAY FROM YOUR BIBLE BECAUSE
YOU CAN'T DEFEND IT YOURSELF!  LOL!




MEMEMBERSHIP:

As we can see now, once RickeyHoltsclaw has returned to be Bible Slapped Silly®️ again, he cannot defend his Christian faith and has to have others to try and defend it for him, therefore Rickey is a Bible Loser at his embarrassing expense!  


NEXT PSEUDO-CHRISTIAN LIKE ...."RICKEYHOLTSCLAW".... THAT HAS TO HAVE OTHER MEMBERS DEFEND HIS BIBLE FOR HIM, WILL BE .....?  PRICELESS!









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Factfinder

just_sayin said:

@21CenturyIconoclast
Your bogus claims were debunked.

Immanuel is indeed a name (appellation, title) used for Jesus, even to this day.  At Christmas you have probably heard them sing the song 'Oh come Emmanuel". Titles were also considered 'names' in ancient times.  Ask Alexander the Great.  The fact you want an Ancient Near Eastern Document to confirm to your mindset rather than the culture from which it came from, says more about your deficiencies than the Bible's.

Same goes for your bogus claim about 3 days.  it was explained to you that in that culture - how days were counted was different.  In fact, they didn't even start at midnight.  Any part of a day counted as its own day.  This was explained to you, but you continue to bitterly cling to your notion of days, rather than recognizing the culture from which the Bible was written in.  That speaks to your shortcomings, not the Bible's.  

Culture is no substitute for truth. No one named Jesus 'Immanuel"  in his time as the prophesy in Isaiah 7:14 was about Ahaz's predicament and time and didn't involve an immaculate conception of a virgin at all. "Virgin" meaning young woman in Hebrew, the language the prophesy was written in. Rather a woman who was on the cusp of conceiving according to the text and Ahaz's worries were to end by the time that child (called god is with us) was weaned. Jesus was called "Christ" "Jesus", centuries later in name and tile "The Anointed One" and "Lord of Salvation". Tradition, not prophesy has since incorporated "Immanuel" historically, not divinely. The Greeks may have concluded that the woman in Isaiah 7:14 could have possibly been a virgin when she conceived but that doesn't eliminate the main problem with applying it to Christ; the fact is nothing indicates the "immaculate conception" of a virgin in Isaiah the way Matthew misrepresented it. You will loose this debate consistently even if you believe scholarly indoctrinators and their opinions. The text itself reveals the truth of what it is really talking about.

14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin (young woman) shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

15 Butter and honey shall he eat, that he may know to refuse the evil, and choose the good.

16 For before the child shall know to refuse the evil, and choose the good, the land that thou abhorrest shall be forsaken of both her kings.

There is no "notion" of three days. Three days is three days, 72 hours period. No matter how wrapped up in culture you want to project the issue and ridiculously claim any small part of a day counts as the 24 hour period segments alluded to in the "days and nights" verbiage specifically used, the math still needs to add up in order for Matthew to be correct and not in error when he says...

Matthew 12:40 that he would be buried three days and three nights as Jonah was in the whale three days and three nights. 

Factfinder

double post

Factfinder

just_sayin said:

  

Double post again!

21CenturyIconoclast

@Factfinder

As I have easily shown the number two BIBLE FOOL Just_LYING, Jesus is NOT the Messiah!  
https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/193342/#Comment_193342

Therefore, to save Just_LYING from even further embarrassment within this Religion Forum, when do you think he will take a Sabbatical like our number one BIBLE FOOL RickeyHoltsclaw had to do to regroup subsequent to being Bible Slapped Silly®️ by the Atheists?

At least the "Dynamic Duo of Bible Stoopidity" are back to be easily shown in just how bible inept these two are, and at their expense once again in front of the membership and Jesus (Hebrews 4:13)!




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just_sayin

@21CenturyIconoclast
Sigh.  I'll try again.

First the 3 days, 3 nights expression.  It is a Jewish idiom. It doesn't have to be a literal 3 days.  It is used in other places in the Old Testament and did not mean a literal 3 days and 3 nights.  Don't trust me.  Trust Jules favorite AI:

Based on the search results, the expression "three days and three nights" appears to be an ancient Jewish idiom that was not meant to be interpreted literally as a full 72-hour period. Here are the key points:

1. It was an Old Testament idiom carried over into the New Testament, meaning a period of about three days in round numbers, not necessarily three full days and nights[1].

2. In Jewish culture, any part of a day was counted as a whole day. Days were counted inclusively, meaning the first and last days were included even if they were partial days[2].

3. There are several biblical examples showing this idiomatic usage:

   - In 1 Samuel 30:12-14, "three days and three nights" is equated with "three days ago"[1].

   - In Esther 4:16-5:1, fasting for "three days, night and day" ends on the "third day"[1].

   - In Acts 10, a period of exactly 72 hours is referred to as the "fourth day"[2].

4. The Talmud and other Jewish writings confirm this understanding, stating that part of a day could be counted as a whole day[3].

5. Jesus Himself explained the idiom in Luke 13:32-33, equating "three days" with "today, tomorrow, and the day following"[4].

6. The Jewish leaders who heard Jesus use this expression understood it to mean "until the third day" rather than a full 72-hour period[1].

Therefore, the phrase "three days and three nights" in ancient Jewish usage was an idiomatic expression equivalent to saying "three days" and did not necessarily imply a literal 72-hour period[2][3]. This understanding helps reconcile the Gospel accounts of Jesus' death and resurrection with His prophecy in Matthew 12:40.

Citations:

[1] http://www.messianicgoodnews.org/three-days-and-three-nights/

[2] https://biblearchaeology.org/abr-projects/the-daniel-9-24-27-project-2/5134-what-did-jesus-mean-by-three-days-and-three-nights

[3] https://www.1517.org/articles/was-jesus-in-the-grave-for-three-days-and-three-nights-avoiding-literalism-by-accepting-hebrew-idiom

[4] https://www.amazingfacts.org/media-library/book/e/81/t/three-days-and-three-nights

[5] https://www.blueletterbible.org/faq/crux.cfm

[6] https://seminary.bju.edu/theology-in-3d/three-days-and-three-nights-or-not/

[7] https://nickcady.org/2017/04/17/was-jesus-in-the-grave-three-days-and-three-nights-heres-how-it-adds-up/

[8] https://www.amazingfacts.org/news-and-features/news/item/id/10899/t/three-days-and-three-nights

In Hebrew culture 'name' is not just the words on a birth certificate - it also encompasses titles, and descriptive terminology or characteristics of someone.  Again from Jules AI:

While Jesus was not literally named Immanuel, he is still considered to have fulfilled the prophecy in Isaiah 7:14 for several reasons:

1. The name Immanuel means "God with us" in Hebrew. Jesus, as the incarnate Son of God, literally embodied the concept of "God with us" by taking on human form and dwelling among people[1][4].

2. In ancient Hebrew culture, a name often represented the person's character or nature rather than just being a label. Jesus fulfilled the meaning and essence of the name Immanuel through his divine nature and mission, even if it wasn't his given name[2].

3. Matthew explicitly connects Jesus to this prophecy in Matthew 1:22-23, indicating that the early Christians understood Jesus as the fulfillment of Isaiah's words, even without the literal name[4].

4. The prophecy states that "she will call his name Immanuel," which can be understood as declaring or acknowledging his nature, rather than literally naming him[1].

5. Jesus was given multiple prophetic titles in Scripture that described his nature and role, such as "Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace" (Isaiah 9:6). Immanuel can be seen as one of these descriptive titles[4].

6. In biblical prophecy, there are often near and far fulfillments. The immediate context in Isaiah may have had a partial fulfillment, but the ultimate and complete fulfillment came in Jesus Christ[1][2].

So while Jesus was not literally named Immanuel, he fulfilled the deeper meaning of the prophecy by truly being "God with us" in his person and work. The early Christian understanding, as reflected in Matthew's Gospel, saw Jesus as the ultimate fulfillment of Isaiah's prophecy.

Citations:

[1] https://www.logos.com/grow/immanuel-in-isaiah-a-study-in-multiple-fulfillment/

[2] https://www.ourancientpaths.org/post/the-immanuel-prophecies

[3] http://www.messianicgoodnews.org/three-days-and-three-nights/

[4] https://www.str.org/w/did-you-miss-something-in-the-isaiah-7-14-prophecy-

[5] https://smpaterson.com/2023/12/09/the-sign-of-immanuel/

[6] https://www.amazingfacts.org/media-library/book/e/81/t/three-days-and-three-nights

[7] https://www.jeanejones.net/2020/12/the-virgin-shall-conceive-why-isaiah-714-confuses-people/

[8] https://nickcady.org/2017/04/17/was-jesus-in-the-grave-three-days-and-three-nights-heres-how-it-adds-up/ ;

Hope that helps.

21CenturyIconoclast

@just_sayin



1.  YOUR REVEALING QUOTE:  "Sigh.  I'll try again. First the 3 days, 3 nights expression.  It is a Jewish idiom. It doesn't have to be a literal 3 days.  It is used in other places in the Old Testament and did not mean a literal 3 days and 3 nights.  Don't trust me.  Trust Jules favorite AI:"

Yes, "you tried" but failed once again with your Satanic Apologetic Book references instead of reading the Bible LITERALLY!  

To make you the continued BIBLE FOOL, I am only concerned about the term "NIGHTS" that were not met in Jesus failing to be the Messiah as shown again at your embarrassing expense:

1. From Good Friday afternoon of the mythical Jesus' death where that night is number one.
2. The end of Saturday is night number two
3. Early Easter Sunday morning when the serial killer Jesus arose as stated in Luke 24:1-3, he did not spend a "THIRD NIGHT" as the prophecy in Matthew 12:40 so states in becoming the Messiah!  Can you do this simple math?! Huh?

Therefore Jesus FAILED the prophecy of being the Messiah in relation to the Jonah scenario where Jesus had to spend a THIRD NIGHT, of which he didn't, for the prophecy of the Messiah to be true as in Matthew 12:40, GET IT BIBLE DUNCE number two?!


Your comical use of "idioms" makes your primitive thinking bible even more embarrassing because your inept mind wants to include them in this Messiah narrative to help you prove away an embarrassing situation that I have "Literally" shown you!   BUT, AT THE SAME TIME you show us that what the Bible intended to promote in the term of THREE NIGHTS, is therefore an outright LIE because you say that Satanic idioms prevail over bible literal fact, which is BLASPHEME on your part!

Just_LYING, the Atheist thanks you for showing us that the "Literal Words" and meanings within the Bible are shown to be LIES when needed to save further embarrassment towards the scriptures on certain topics, where your faith is now built upon LIES, congratulations, you should be so proud in giving us this revelation, praise!  




2.    YOUR REVEALING QUOTE ONCE AGAIN IN SHOWING THE ATHEIST THAT THE BIBLE LIED!!!!:  " While Jesus was not literally named Immanuel, he is still considered to have fulfilled the prophecy in Isaiah 7:14 for several reasons:"

"Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel." (Isaiah 7:14)

So what you are saying in your quote above, is the biblical FACT that Jesus' inspired words as shown in the verse above lied again  because Jesus literally said that they shall call Jesus Immanuel for the prophecy of him being the Messiah is true, but they didn't call him Immanuel, therefore the prophecy of Jesus being the Messiah is false!!!!!

Again, the ATHEIST thanks you in you admitting that the BIBLE LIED once again, therefore you admit that Jesus is not the Messiah!  LOL!



Let's see how far poor ol' "Just_LYING" wants to go in grasping for straws that are not even there to begin with in his embarrassing refutations to the topic at hand!  LOL!






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Fredsnephew

Argument Topic: Hey Rickey

@RickeyHoltsclaw

Like I said Rickey.

OSISI would be omni-sensible.

And would say, hey I'm/we're back and just come to see how things are evolving.

You would be able to tell it was him/them, by the big spaceship.

He/they wouldn't just set fire to a bush and leave it to guess work.

just_sayin

@21CenturyIconoclast
Yes, "you tried" but failed once again with your Satanic Apologetic Book references instead of reading the Bible LITERALLY!  

Therefore Jesus FAILED the prophecy of being the Messiah in relation to the Jonah scenario where Jesus had to spend a THIRD NIGHT, of which he didn't, for the prophecy of the Messiah to be true as in Matthew 12:40, GET IT BIBLE DUNCE number two?!

One should read the Bible in the way it was intended to be read.  If a native speaker uses an idiomatic expression and someone fails to understand it, the problem is not with the native speaker.  Your issue with the Bible is not the fault of the Bible, but a lack of understanding of the idiomatic expressions used in it.  

You took the passage as having to be a literal 72 hours.  However, no one in the culture and time the passage was written understood it to mean that.  That suggests that the problem is one of your creating, and not inherent in the text.

Immanuel, he is still considered to have fulfilled the prophecy in Isaiah 7:14 for several reasons:"

"Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel." (Isaiah 7:14)

So what you are saying in your quote above, is the biblical FACT that Jesus' inspired words as shown in the verse above lied again  because Jesus literally said that they shall call Jesus Immanuel for the prophecy of him being the Messiah is true, but they didn't call him Immanuel, therefore the prophecy of Jesus being the Messiah is false!!!!!

Again, the ATHEIST thanks you in you admitting that the BIBLE LIED once again, therefore you admit that Jesus is not the Messiah!  LOL!

Again, this failure of understanding is on your part, and not the text.  The text did not lie about Jesus being called Immanuel.  You assumed the only meaning was in a legal birth certificate name.  That is not what the culture and time it was written in understood it to mean.  Again, your faulty thinking does not indicate an error on the part of the Bible, but in your own lack of understanding and projection onto the Biblical text.  

RickeyHoltsclaw

@Fredsnephew ; The One who created us is Spirit (John 4:24) and He is omnipresent and those who wish to know Him must approach Him by faith in spirit and in truth. Your flesh prevents you from seeing your Creator but you will see Him "as He is" when you are free from the encumbrance of Time, flesh, physics (1 John 3:2); though 1 John 3:2 is a promise to those who belong to Elohim by faith in Jesus as Messiah, those of you who die in your sin and destine yourself to die in Hell will also see your Creator at adjudication (Revelation 20:11-15).

Your Creator entered Time for a specific purpose 2000-years ago (1 John 3:8b) and walked among us for 33.5-years via the hypostatic union explaining Elohim and His purposes for Time and Eternity...if you desire to know your Creator, know Jesus (Genesis 1; John 1; Hebrews 1; Colossians 1). 

Every second that passes you grow nearer to Judgment and ultimately death in Hell...I urge you to swallow your pride and read the "Gospel of John" in the New Testament...pray for enlightenment and spiritual wisdom...do NOT die in your sin and perish in Hell (John 8:24).

Factfinder

@just_sayin

One should read the Bible in the way it was intended to be read.  If a native speaker uses an idiomatic expression and someone fails to understand it, the problem is not with the native speaker.

If the speaker has an intended message meant for all to hear throughout time and delivers it in a way few to none can understand; then that's on the speaker as he(it) failed to communicate what they initiate as a communication effort. If you weren't deceptively evil you'd be openly laughable. So your dumb god couldn't preserve a straight forward literal message at all, had to be cloaked and dagger so that no one truly knows what it is saying or not? Especially considering the supposed stakes(?), passive aggressive turd of a god you got there just_lyin. LOL

just_sayin

Factfinder said:

@just_sayin

One should read the Bible in the way it was intended to be read.  If a native speaker uses an idiomatic expression and someone fails to understand it, the problem is not with the native speaker.

If the speaker has an intended message meant for all to hear throughout time and delivers it in a way few to none can understand; then that's on the speaker as he(it) failed to communicate what they initiate as a communication effort. If you weren't deceptively evil you'd be openly laughable. So your dumb god couldn't preserve a straight forward literal message at all, had to be cloaked and dagger so that no one truly knows what it is saying or not? Especially considering the supposed stakes(?), passive aggressive turd of a god you got there just_lyin. LOL

LOL.  Let's paraphrase @FactFinder - 'Since the Bible isn't written in the language of stu-pid, then the Bible is wrong and not clear.  You can't expect someone to try and understand the Bible according according to the language and times it was written in."  

Factfinder

@just_sayin

Of course you didn't get it at all. You can't think. I said nothing about the language you speak. Don't blame me for your belief in fairytales. You choose it. Wish you chose a brain instead?

21CenturyIconoclast

@just_sayin

JUST_LYING; YOUR CULTIST CHRISTIAN QUOTE OF BEING BIBLE DUMBFOUNDED AGAIN!!!:  "One should read the Bible in the way it was intended to be read.  If a native speaker uses an idiomatic expression and someone fails to understand it, the problem is not with the native speaker.  Your issue with the Bible is not the fault of the Bible, but a lack of understanding of the idiomatic expressions used in it." 

1. BOTTOM LINE, JESUS DID NOT SPEND A "THIRD NIGHT" AS PER MATTHEW 12:40, THEREFORE THE PROPHECY OF JESUS BEING THE MESSIAH HAS FAILED!!!

1. From Good Friday afternoon of the mythical Jesus' death where that night is number one.
2. The end of Saturday is night number two
3. Early Easter Sunday morning when the serial killer Jesus arose as stated in Luke 24:1-3, he did not spend a "THIRD NIGHT" equal to Jonah being in the great fish for 3 NIGHTS as the prophecy in Matthew 12:40 so states in becoming the Messiah!  Can you do this simple math bible dumb as*s?!!!

2. BOTTOM LINE, JESUS WAS TO BE "NAMED," I REPEAT, "NAMED" IMMANUEL, WHERE HE WASN'T, THEREFORE JESUS' PROPHECY OF BEING THE MESSIAH AS PER ISAIAH 7:14 BLATANTLY FAILS!!!

English Standard Version: "Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign. Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a son, and shall call his NAME Immanuel."

The said bibles shown below also use the term; “and shall call his "NAME" Immanuel”  which is equal to the NAME of Jesus’ mother was Mary, and his step fathers NAME was Joseph, and IS relevant to a birth certificate!    GET IT BIBLE DUNCE?!

King James Bible

Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his NAME Immanuel.

New King James Version

Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a Son, and shall call His NAME Immanuel.

New American Standard Bible

Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, the virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and she will NAME Him Immanuel.

NASB 1995

“Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, a virgin will be with child and bear a son, and she will call His NAME Immanuel.

NASB 1977 

“Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, a virgin will be with child and bear a son, and she will call His NAME Immanuel.

Legacy Standard Bible 

Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, the virgin will be with child and bear a son, and she will call His NAME Immanuel.

Amplified Bible

Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Listen carefully, the virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and she will call his NAME Immanuel (God with us).

Christian Standard Bible

Therefore, the Lord himself will give you a sign: See, the virgin will conceive, have a son, and NAME him Immanuel.

English Standard Version

Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign. Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a son, and shall call his NAME Immanuel.

New King James Version

Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a Son, and shall call His NAME Immanuel.

New American Standard Bible

Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, the virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and she will NAME Him Immanuel.

NASB 1995

“Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, a virgin will be with child and bear a son, and she will call His NAME Immanuel.

NASB 1977 

“Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, a virgin will be with child and bear a son, and she will call His NAME Immanuel.

Legacy Standard Bible 

Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, the virgin will be with child and bear a son, and she will call His NAME Immanuel.

Amplified Bible

Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Listen carefully, the virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and she will call his NAME Immanuel (God with us).

Christian Standard Bible

Therefore, the Lord himself will give you a sign: See, the virgin will conceive, have a son, and NAME him Immanuel.

Literal Standard Version

Therefore the Lord Himself gives a sign to you, | Behold, the virgin is conceiving, | And is bringing forth a Son, | And has called His NAME Immanuel,

New American Bible

Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign; the young woman, pregnant and about to bear a son, shall NAME him Emmanuel.

JUST_LYING, you don't even realize in how BIBLE STOOPID you and your equally "Bible Nut Job" RickeyHoltsclaw are within this Religion Forum!

Your outright Christian Cult in you trying to defend it, continues to make you grasp for straws like you've done in the two examples that I have shown you above that show that JESUS IS NOT THE MESSIAH!!!!!

LEARN FROM RICKEY, HE IS KEEPING SILENT UPON THIS TOPIC SO AS NOT TO EMBARRASS HIMSELF, WHERE YOU SHOULD DO THE SAME!  LOL!!!!

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21CenturyIconoclast

@just_sayin

JUST_LYING, OMG, I just thought of something really big for you to make yourself well known among equally dumbfounded pseudo-christians like YOU in relation to your bible rewrites as shown in my post above!

Heads up JUST_LYING, do you want to be famous beyond reason in Christianity thoughout the world? As a dumbfounded pseudo-christian that you represent with pride, then all you need to do is for you to come out with a book relative to what the BIBLE LITERALLY SAYS, it really doesn’t!!!!  Wala!

Here is your plan to become so well known in Christian circles because you will be doing so many Christian Talk Shows! You will take the Bible, and as usual, if it states something that is disturbing or contradicting, you will simply rewrite, or remove said passages to take their embarrassment away, where ”Poof,” they’re gone!  

Or, you could use the ruse like Joseph Smith did in coming out with a new bible being the Book of Morons, excuse me, I meant the Book of Mormon, where you will state that Jesus as god came upon you in a dream where he wanted you to rewrite the Bible to take all of the disturbing and contradicting verses, and either remove them, or rewrite them to take their embarrassment away from him from now on!

OMG, the members in this Religion Forum could say that we knew you when you were grasping for straws that weren’t even there to begin with regarding your bible stoopidity and rewrites of same on DebateIsland, where you were known in being a part of the “Dynamic Duo of Bible Stoopidity” with RickeyHoltsclaw!

Just_LYING, think of this proposition as shown above in removing disturbing and contradicting passages, as helping your brutal serial killer Jesus in being more respected in the 21st Century of Science and Reason!

Just _LYING, please keep us updated on your new adventure where you will change the primitive thinking Bronze and Iron Age JUDEO-Christian bible to the point where the other religions will fall by the wayside in comparison, PRAISE ZEUS!  LOL!

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21CenturyIconoclast

@RickeyHoltsclaw


MEMBERSHIP: PERTAINING TO THE RUNAWAY RICKEYHOLTSCLAW!

Well, as explicitly seen since the poor RickeyHoltsclaw came back from his sabbatical of taking a short time off to try and regroup from being easily Bible Slapped Silly by Atheists that have forgotten more about the Bible than he will ever learn from it, the Christian Cultist Rickey cannot address my posts directed to him anymore!!!  

I knew this day would eventually come in his behalf because it was to easy for me to make him this Religion Forum's number one BIBLE FOOL, as other Atheists as well did with ease! LOL!


Here is a video of "RickeyHoltsclaw" since he cannot
address my posts anymore, but to only run away from them and hide
and he wants to call himself a Christian?!  NOT!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uI7ni7zL8qU

RUN RICKEY, RUN AWAY FROM ME BEING AN ATHEIST
THAT EASILY OWNS YOU AND YOUR CULTIST FAITH
OF CHRISTIANITY, PRAISE ZEUS!

21CenturyIconoclast

@just_sayin

JUST_LYING, can't find your "Big Boy" pants to be able to address these propositions that I have directed to you, where you've been RUNNING AWAY from for a long time within this thread?!   Are you now acting like the Christian Cultist RickeyHoltsclaw where you can't address the inspired words of Jesus in the following examples?  Listen if you are just to "SCARED" to even "try" to address the following, then for laughter, get the equal BIBLE DUNCE Rickey to help you!  OMG, this could be a skit on Saturday Night Live!  LOL!



NUMBER ONE: ADDRESS THE BIBLE BLATANTLY CONTRADICTING ITSELF 
AS SHOWN IN THE IMAGE BELOW!  BEGIN:




NUMBER TWO: ADDRESS THE BIBLE BLATANTLY CONTRADICTING ITSELF 
AS SHOWN IN THE IMAGE BELOW!  BEGIN:




NUMBER THREE: JESUS CAN’T BE THE MESSIAH BECAUSE HE ALLOWED THE VIOLATION OF THE SABBATH SUNDAY COMMANDMENT!

“Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is a sabbath to the LORD your God.” (Exodus 20:11)

BUT, the brutal serial killer Jesus of infants and suckling babies (1 Samuel 15:3) violates the Sabbath Sunday as shown herewith:

“At that time Jesus went through the grainfields on the Sabbath. His disciples were hungry and began to pick some heads of grain and eat them. When the Pharisees saw this, they said to him, “Look! Your disciples are doing what is unlawful on the Sabbath.” (Matthew 12:1-2)

Nonetheless, Jesus allowed his disciples to continue to work in picking grain that violates the 6TH Commandment verse in Exodus 20:11 herewith:  

“He answered, “Haven’t you read what David did when he and his companions were hungry? He entered the house of God, and he and his companions ate the consecrated bread—which was not lawful for them to do, but only for the priests………. For the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath.” (Matthew 12:3-4, 8)

The simple outcome is where Jesus denied and completely violated his fathers sixth commandment in letting his disciples to continue to work in picking grain as shown in Exodus 20:11 above, therefore, Jesus went against this bible verse shown above herewith: GOD SAID: "So you shall keep my commandments AND DO THEM: I am the Lord." (Leviticus 22:31)

THEREFORE, AGAIN, JESUS IS NOT THE MESSIAH!!!

JUST_LYING, I have many more Biblical axioms that I am going to direct to you personally that blatantly show that your serial killer Jesus IS NOT THE MESSIAH!  Therefore, just like before, address the above propositions first before I present the others at your embarrassing expense, understood BIBLE DUNCE? Huh?  

WAITING, BEGIN!

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21CenturyIconoclast

"JUST_LYING" IN MISSING IN ACTION AGAIN !!!

As with the case within this Religion Forums relative to our number two BIBLE FOOL "Just_Lying," when he cannot defend his primitive thinking Bronze and Iron Age JUDEO-christian bible, he has to runaway and go sheepishly into hiding again!  LOL!

Here is the link that the poor pseudo-christian "Just_Lying" cannot defend within this thread:
https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/193485/#Comment_193485

When is the "Dynamic Duo of Bible Stoopidity" of "RickeyHoltsclaw and Just_LYING" ever going to learn that the Atheists of this forum own them and their faith outright, where this premise has been proven time and time again!


Yes, I know, but here is a video of "Just_LYING" performing what he does best in running away from Atheists posts to him: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uI7ni7zL8qU







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21CenturyIconoclast

UPDATE ON "JUST_LYING" RUNNING AWAY FROM MY POSTS DIRECTED TO HIM IN THIS THREAD ALONE:  

The poor Bible LOSER Just_LYING was last Active today being October 23, 2024 was at 2:09PM!

Therefore, since "Just_LYING" is still running away from my posts to him, we can only assume that his mother hasn't washed his "Big Boy Pants" yet to be able to at least "try" in vain to address my posts!  ( Just_LYING soiled his pants the last time he tried to refute my posts, shhhhhhhh .....)


IS THERE ANY OTHER PSEUDO-CHRISTIAN THAT IS NOT AS BIBLE DUMB AS "JUST_LYING" TO BE ABLE TO HELP HIM WITH MY POSTS DIRECTED TO HIM? ...... ANYONE? ....... THE EGG UPON HIS FACE IS GROWING BIGGER EACH DAY!  









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polytheistwitch

I think the problem is when you say that there was nothing at some point. I find it hard to believe there was absolutely nothing and then there was something. The universe had to be something even if it's just an "empty" space existing within a set of rules that that governed it.

RickeyHoltsclaw

@polytheistwitch ; From where did that "empty space" find its genesis and why?

21CenturyIconoclast

@just_sayin


Membership, has anyone seen the RUNAWAY "Just_LYING" hiding out in other topics here on DEBATEISLAND, where he has yet to address many of my posts to him as embarrassingly shown below IN THIS THREAD ALONE in his behalf:


1. Poor "Just_LYING" has been running away from this post for a long time now, and he wants to call himself a Christian?  NOT, LOL!!!
https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/193485/#Comment_193485


2. In this link below, "Just_LYING" is missing his calling where he is to remove or rewrite embarrassing verses in the Bible, because he says that what they literally state, they don't!  LOL!
https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/193475/#Comment_193475


3. In this post shown below, "Just_LYING" continues to RUN AWAY from it because it specifically shows that Jesus is NOT the Messiah!
https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/193283/#Comment_193283


4. Another topic that "Just_LYING" cannot address as a pseudo-christian BIBLE FOOL is within this link:
https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/193474/#Comment_193474


5. The Bible DUNCE "Just_LYING" stepped in the proverbial poo again because he essentially says that you need a crystal ball to understand in how you are to read the Bible, in other words again, what the Bible LITERALLY SAYS, is not what it really means!  Priceless! https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/193474/#Comment_193474


There are more runaway posts from "Just_LYING," but to save him from further embarrassment in front of the membership, I have only included the ones shown above.  Where in turn, "Just_LYING" can thank me later.

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polytheistwitch

@RickeyHoltsclaw.  Why does the universe have to have been created why can't it have just existed. I mean I can ask you the same questions about gods.

RickeyHoltsclaw

@polytheistwitch ; The Universe was created for cause as a repository for a Kingdom War initiated by Satan in the Spiritual Realm before Time began...that Coup and its destructiveness was removed, extricated, from the Kingdom and placed within the created Realm of Time partially constrained by physics as our entire creation is predicated upon WAR (war...which has inundated our existence from the Genesis forward) and a formal declaration of war was announced early in the Genesis in Genesis 3:15, a war that would proceed forward between Elohim (Genesis 1:1) who would enter the Realm of Time in flesh via the "seed of the (virgin) woman" and do battle with Satan and Satan's army...the battle strategy that Elohim would employ is first pictured for us in Genesis 3:21 which is a picture of The Gospel of Jesus Christ (Matthew 26:28) where Elohim, Himself, would shed innocent blood to clothe fallen humanity in a gifted-imputed "robe of righteousness" and thereby destroy the works of Satan, death-Hell-the grave, through an act of selfless love thereby modeling for the faithful angels in the Kingdom the honor and dignity and necessity of obedience to Elohim's will and the superiority of obedience to disobedience...our entire creation in Time, the previous 6000-years of war and horror initiated by Satan, acts a bulwark against future rebellion in the Kingdom where free will exists and is paramount by necessity; in fact, the primary reason Jesus our Messiah entered the Realm of Time was "to destroy the works of Satan" (1 John 3:8b) via the Gospel which was ordained "before Time began" (2 Timothy 1:8-10). 

You and I are but demonstrative vessels for a much superior life-form in the Spiritual Realm, the Angels, and those of temporary humanity who coalesce with and support Elohim in His battle with evil via faith in Jesus as Messiah will reap the benefits of that loyalty in Eternity...those who reject and war against Elohim will ultimately cease to exist subsequent Judgment via the "second death." (John 3 v. Revelation 20:11-15)

Time is a created entity for a specific cause and purpose and Time, this physical World will be dismantled and destroyed by fire (2 Peter 3:10; Revelation 21)...purified and made fit for the eternal Kingdom, the New Jerusalem (Revelation 21-22), where the faithful in Jesus as Messiah will serve Him, forever, in resurrected bodies fashioned after the resurrected body of Messiah (Philippians 3:21).

  

just_sayin

@21CenturyIconoclast
When will you answer the questions you were asked?  Why do you continue to run away?

1) How did a universe pop into existence from zero space?
2) How did life pop into existence from non-life?

21CenturyIconoclast

@just_sayin

JUST-LYING, YOUR CONTINUED OLD YARN WHERE YOU DON'T HAVE THE SENSE TO FEEL EMBARRASSED:  "When will you answer the questions you were asked?  Why do you continue to run away?" 1) How did a universe pop into existence from zero space. 2) How did life pop into existence from non-life?"

You simply cannot defend your feeble mind in making an outright fool of yourself in front of the membership, where this link prevails ONCE AGAIN at your embarrassing expense!
https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/194233/#Comment_194233


Therefore, as usual, you violate Jesus' inspired words herewith: "You were running well. Who hindered you from obeying the truth?" (Galations 5-7)








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