Do Humans Really Die?

sunny

Argument Topic: allow me

oh man...there are so many theories to this...all I know is that heaven is not a place for anyone.

I think that the internet is very fond of the theory that the soul is passed on from the body and enters a new being with their memories completely wiped. this makes scientific sense as your memories exist due to your physical body (brain) storing information.

so imagine yourself right now. what are you sensing through your five senses? you might have been a turtle eaten by a shark in your past life, or a witch burned at the stake. except you don't remember that memory but you are still you...just without your defining qualities that make you unique.

so now think of how scary it is when the Milky Way is crashing into Andromeda and you're living...except it's not the you right now. the future you has no memory of the present you...and you are still you.

imagine yourself living through that time right now...except you have no memory of this life. but you are still experiencing the world and making new memories in the new world...but it's still you. and you will experience the universe crashing down on you. and you will live forever and ever without a rest, because your soul is constantly being recycled.

just a theory... but not like anyone would know if it was the real thing.

RickeyHoltsclaw

@JulesKorngold ; The human body will die due atrophy via a corrupted genome but the spirit will not die at the body's last exhalation. The spirit of the dead body will be instantaneously translated to one of two places contingent upon what the man or woman has done with Jesus our Messiah during their tenure within the Realm of Time. 

What happens when I die?

1) Death of the unfaithful/unbelieving.

2) Death of the faithful in Jesus Christ.

3) Death of babies, children, the mentally handicapped.

1) Death of the unrepentant/those who die having rejected Jesus Christ-Yeshua as Lord and Mediator for sin…

Every man and woman having attained an age of reason/accountability *(Numbers 14:28-30) possessing sufficient cognitive acuity to discern right from wrong, moral from immoral, to discern the righteous decrees (Natural Law) of our Creator as written upon our heart at conception…if this unfaithful man or woman dies in their body of flesh having rejected the pardon from death in sin and Hell freely offered by Jesus Christ-Yeshua earned for them at the Crucifixion, at the point of death of body, the unredeemed/unfaithful in their disembodied spiritual form will be instantaneously translated into the region Messiah-Jesus identifies as Hades-Sheol/Torments (Luke 16).

The disembodied spirit of the unfaithful at the last exhalation of the Earthly body in Time, will enter Hades-Torments fully cognizant, fully aware, fully interactive in the Spiritual World, more so than when constrained in the body of flesh that inhibited full cognition and reality due to the inherent limitations of sin/the fallen-nature/the curse inherited from our father, Adam (Ephesians 2:1-3).

The unfaithful that have been confined in Hades-Sheol/Torments from The Genesis of Time are currently awaiting the Judgment of the Condemned/The Great White Throne Judgment (Revelation 20:11-15) that will manifest subsequent to the Millennial Reign of Messiah-Yeshua that will manifest immediately subsequent to the coming Tribulation Period/the Apocalypse/a nuclear war that will be initiated by Islam-Allah/Satan v. Israel-Yeshua and consume the Nations of the Earth in the coming days.

Prior to the Judgment of the Condemned, the unfaithful detained in Hades-Sheol/Torments will receive a resurrected body of corruption (John 5:28-29) in order that they can stand in the Judgment before Jesus Christ-Yeshua (Romans 14:11; Philippians 2:10-11; Ecclesiastes 12:14). During adjudication, the condemned will be evaluated for the things done in the body while constrained by Time upon the Earth. No one will be found righteous for their works done in the body because God the Father has established an immutable Covenant between Himself and mankind that only by His grace (unmerited favor) through faith (trusting-believing) in His Son, Jesus Christ, and the innocent blood that Jesus shed at the Crucifixion can forgive, redeem, sinful mankind (John 3:16: Acts 4:12); therefore, the unrighteous man and woman at the Judgment of the Condemned, having rejected Jesus Christ as Lord, will be adjudicated “guilty” for sin, their name will NOT be found written in the Book of Life (Revelation 20:15) and they will be forced into the Lake of Fire/Hell/Gehenna and they will suffer for a period of time commensurate with the evil and rebellion performed in the body while constrained by Time upon the Earth; subsequent to this period of suffering, the unrighteous will die a “second death” and cease to exist forever (Revelation 20:14; Matthew 10:28). The “second death” is necessary because God the Father, in His purity-holiness-righteousness, will NOT permit the destructiveness of sin to enter the Eternal Kingdom of God (Revelation 21:27).

2) Death of the body relevant to the faithful in Jesus Christ…

Every man and woman having placed their faith in Jesus Christ as Lord and having received forgiveness of sin and having received the indwelling Holy Spirit as the Seal/Guarantor relevant to the Covenant of Grace established by God the Father through the Son, Jesus Christ (Ephesians 1:13), these faithful men and women having trusted in Jesus Christ as Lord, at the point of death of the body in Time, they are instantaneously translated into the presence of God the Father in the Kingdom in their disembodied state that is fully cognitively acute/aware (2 Corinthians 5:8). Those who die with Jesus Christ as their Lord, will serve God in the Kingdom in a variety of occupations and positions as they were prepared for same during the process of Sanctification while in the body upon the Earth (1 Corinthians 6:3; Revelation 1:6 & 5:10).

At the resurrection, the faithful in Jesus Christ will receive a resurrected body fashioned like the resurrected body of Jesus Christ (Philippians 3:21) that is impervious to death, disease, pain, suffering (Revelation 21:4). Forever, the faithful in Jesus Christ will serve Him in the Kingdom and beyond if He so chooses and in the presence of our God there is joy and peace and assurance that is everlasting and beyond human comprehension (1 Corinthians 2:9).

3) What about babes (unborn/born), children, the mentally handicapped, who die in the Realm of Time?

The Holy Spirit has articulated within God’s Covenant (the Scriptures) that where there is no Law there is no sin (Romans 4:14; 5:13); therefore, babies, children having not attained an age of reason *(Numbers 14:28-30), the mentally handicapped, these lacking the ability to fully understand God’s righteous decrees via the Divine-Natural Law are NOT culpable for sin; therefore, upon the death of the body, these innocent before the Lord are escorted into His presence and they are restored to full acuity and spiritual life in order to enjoy the fullness of joy and peace that is found only in the presence of our loving God.

But Jesus said, “Let the children alone, and do not hinder them from coming to Me; for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these.” Matthew 19:14 (NASB)

Speaking of the Eternal Realm, Jesus said…

Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, then My servants would be fighting so that I would not be handed over to the Jews; but as it is, My kingdom is not of this realm.”  John 18:36 (NASB)

*Note concerning the Age of Accountability/Reason as per Numbers 14:28-30 being 20-years-of-age. This is an assumption on my part relevant to what the Holy Spirit has said in a particular/specific dispensation. I do not know for certain what age my Lord considers a man or woman or child culpable for sin; I believe that this age varies with each person’s moral maturity and only our God knows that particular age (Psalm 139:2-3).

https://rickeyholtsclaw.com/2019/10/16/atheist-mocks-afterlife-what-happens-when-i-die/

 

Factfinder

@RickeyHoltsclaw

Religious spam.

Joeseph

@sunny

..all I know is that heaven is not a place for anyone.

No you don't know that and couldn't know that as you have zero proof for a place called heaven and even if you did how could you know it wasn't for everyone?

The rest of your post is speculative nonsense and void of meaningful implication.

Fredsnephew

Argument Topic: Hey Jules

@JulesKorngold

My take is, that the mass decays returning component parts back to the Universe.

A residual energy in the form of data could possibly also be generated.

And may or may not include memory.

Long shots though.

MayCaesar

A fundamental misunderstanding of quantum mechanics seems to take place here. The many worlds interpretation does not suggests that there are "parallel Universes" to which we can somehow transition. It merely suggests that at any given time point there is a number of possible futures one of which materializes as a result of a probabilistic roll. Once the future has been "chosen", other futures cease to be possible.

It is also impossible for consciousness to escape the brain. While we have very little understanding of consciousness, it is very clear that it is guided by the processes in a (living human's) brain, and once the brain dies, the consciousness goes as well. Consciousness cannot be purely a quantum-mechanical effect even in principle, since there is no such thing as a "purely quantum-mechanical effect".

It may be possible to transfer consciousness to a different carrier (such as a computer server) through careful manipulation, but it is not at all the same as consciousness "floating away" or something once the brain dies.

sunny

@Joeseph

No you don't know that and couldn't know that as you have zero proof for a place called heaven and even if you did how could you know it wasn't for everyone?

okay can you think of it this way? if heaven was real, where would it be? is it tangible? is it in the atmosphere? or is it in space? or is it entirely something only your spirit can access?

i hope you realize that your physical body passes away, meaning your memories will disappear too (as they are made by your brain and not your soul), meaning that you'll likely never find your family in the life you've lived. If heaven is amazing and beautiful, you wouldn't actually know, because pleasure is processed through your brain, which is dead.

again, sinners aren't forgiven of sin if they believe that believing in God erases their every sin. never use Jesus as a way to justify your sin, only as a way of proving that you are now better than the person you were before. "foolish arguments" are a sin, by the way. time to repent. 

The rest of your post is speculative nonsense and void of meaningful implication.

that's why it's a theory...ever heard of one?

Joeseph

@sunny

okay can you think of it this way? if heaven was real, where would it be? is it tangible? is it in the atmosphere? or is it in space? or is it entirely something only your spirit can access?

What would I wish to speculate on unproven nonsense?

i hope you realize that your physical body passes away, meaning your memories will disappear too (as they are made by your brain and not your soul), meaning that you'll likely never find your family in the life you've lived.

Yes thank you captain obvious for pointing out the fact we all die


 If heaven is amazing and beautiful, you wouldn't actually know, because pleasure is processed through your brain, which is dead.


What are you trying to say you're talking absolute gibberish.

again, sinners aren't forgiven of sin

"Sinners" what are they? What's "sin"?


if they believe that believing in God erases their every sin. never use Jesus as a way to justify your sin, only as a way of proving that you are now better than the person you were before. "foolish arguments" are a sin, by the way. time to repent. 

What are you trying to say you id-ot? What foolish argument have I made you id-ot? I'm trying to find out what you're trying to say child.

I don't recognise the terms " sin" and "repent" they are for ignorant uneducated sheep like you and yours.

that's why it's a theory...ever heard of one?

That's not a theory you foolish child,  you really need to look the term up .

Hitcounter

@JulesKorngold of course they don't how ludicrous, there is no such thing as death only the decay of the vessel that clings to life for a while 

sunny

@Joeseph

What would I wish to speculate on unproven nonsense?

uh...i don't know man, you were the one that replied to my other comment...

Yes thank you captain obvious for pointing out the fact we all die

that's the point of this thread?

What are you trying to say you're talking absolute gibberish.

wdym...you mean science is gibberish or heaven is gibberish

"Sinners" what are they? What's "sin"?

if you aren't christian why are you fighting me Joeseph...why are you so obsessed with me....go talk to your wife Joeseph she wants attention...what about the children..

What are you trying to say you id-ot? What foolish argument have I made you id-ot? I'm trying to find out what you're trying to say child.

I don't recognise the terms " sin" and "repent" they are for ignorant uneducated sheep like you and yours.

. I'm fighting AGAINST Christians. are you the one confused?

I literally said heaven isn't real to which you replied with "no you don't know that" so I'm like okay? Are you christian then?  But now you're here saying you don't know what sin or repent is, which proves you're not a christian. So do you understand that my response was pointing out the hypocrisy in Christianity?

That's not a theory you foolish child,  you really need to look the term up .

yeah it is. it just depends on how you characterize it. theory can be used for both a hypothesis and an evidence based statement. you don't have to look at my nonsense, I just shared an internet belief. Is that not the purpose of this thread??

Joeseph

@sunny

Oh dear another wall of gibberish from the ever angry tantrum throwing child ......who's going to be a .......lawyer ....bwahahahahaha 

It gotta hurt when you shot your fool mouth off on American law and I corrected you .........lawyer .......a top 50 college .......you're comedy gold ......

sunny

@Joeseph

. are you christian or not? I'm not christian and I think the religion has many many loopholes.

everything you say is all emotional text, no logical argument. I never said anything about American law so...maybe you're fighting invisible comments in your head.

Brunchfastfordinner

Personally I dont think theres an actual answer to this question. It is (Probably) impossible for us to know truly. Some say we go to heaven or hell. Some say we reincarnate. Some say nothing.. its just lights off. We will never know truly. I think we should not waste time on questions like this and just live our lifes too the fullest until we eventually learn what will happen next.

polytheistwitch

If you're interested in reading books that are supposed to be written by people who were talking with spirit on the other side I recommend: The Blue Island, the Afterlife of Billy Fingers and Astral City 

Joeseph

@sunny

The future lawyer asks am i Arheist after she asked ......

........okay can you think of it this way? if heaven was real, where would it be? is it tangible? is it in the atmosphere? or is it in space? or is it entirely something only your spirit can access?

My reply ........

What would I wish to speculate on unproven nonsense?


Dear oh dear.......i told you also I have no desire to communicate with you as youre a compusive and constantly in a rage.


I never said anything about American law 

Yes you did and I corrected you on not knowing the law of your own country so that's yet another lie.

Fredsnephew

Argument Topic: HaHa

@sunny @Joesep ;@polytheistwitch.

Kids and Poly and Billy Fingers. Is why I enjoy these debating sites so much.


See Brunchfastfordinner for the correct answer.

Fredsnephew

Argument Topic: Brunchy.

@Brunchfastfordinner

I'm interested to know how or why you came up with that name.

Were you sort of...having a very late breakfast and the name just sprung to mind?

Brunchfastfordinner

@Fredsnephew Are you some sort of witch?

RickeyHoltsclaw

@JulesKorngold ; Human Kind will die in body due the Adamic sin-nature and the Adamic curse (Genesis 2:16-17; Romans 5:12). Humanity, subsequent Adam's fall, is born spiritually dead and the body will die physically due the curse of sin but those who trust in Jesus will never truly die as their spirit, redeemed by the atoning blood of Jesus, the true self, simply transitions into the Spiritual Realm the moment of the last exhalation in Time (2 Corinthians 5:8). 

Those who die in body having rejected Jesus as Messiah, these will die in their sin and their spirit apart from the dead body, fully aware and conscious, will be translated into Spiritual Realm of Sheol-Hades/Torments (Luke 16) and there they will await the Judgment of the Condemned (Revelation 20:10-15). These unrighteous dead will receive a resurrected body of corruption (John 5:28-29) and stand in adjudication before Jesus Christ and they will be judged for the things done in the body while constrained by Time and physics, they will be adjudicated "guilty" for sin and suffer in fire commensurate with the evil done in their body during life upon Earth then they will lose body, spirit, in the Lake of Fire, this is the "second death" for those who have rejected the saving grace and mercy of Jesus.

Fredsnephew

Argument Topic: Hey Brunchy

@Brunchfastfordinner


Took you almost a month to reply.

Where you been?


No, I don't do spells or have a black cat.


But I do occasionally like a good brunch instead of dinner, but always a light breakfast first thing.


So what would typical brunch requisites be for you?


And for sure, no point in worrying about afterlives...Best just to wait and see...Or not see...As the case might be.

Brunchfastfordinner

@Fredsnephew
1: My computer exploded after I opened a file called notavirus.exe (Not joking)
2: My normal brunch is either a breakfast burrito or a mcdonalds breakfast sandwich

Fredsnephew

Argument Topic: Hey Brunchy

@Brunchfastfordinner

You've probably never heard of a Full English.

Brunchfastfordinner

@Fredsnephew No I also had those

Fredsnephew

Argument Topic: Hey Brunchy

@Brunchfastfordinner

Yum Yum.

Barnardot

@Brunchfastfordinner @Joseph @Factfinder @sunny @Fredsnephew @polytheistwitch ;We will never know truly. I think we should not waste time on questions like this and just live our lifes too the fullest until we eventually learn what will happen next.

Well here's something that's really interesting. 

There was a Doctor called Duncan MacDougall a hundred years ago and he had this theory that the soul literally has physical weight. So what he did was go around the hospitals and weigh dying patients. Then he would slap a pillow over their faces until they died then weigh them again. I don't think there was anything conclusive from the experiments but to my mind he was a bit of a di*khead anyway. If the soul has "physical" properties then surely he would have found a "physical" way of detecting the soul floating through the room like some sort of colored mist or ultra sound.

Fredsnephew

Argument Topic: Hey Barney

@Barnardot

DNA can remain intact for hundreds of years.

To cremate or not cremate, that is the question.

Barnardot

@Fredsnephew ;DNA can remain intact for hundreds of years. To cremate or not cremate, that is the question.

Well you could be onto something there.

Even if you 100% cremate a body there will still be DNA from that person. Like the toilet seat where he lived for example and everything he ever touched in his life. And it is possible to build a person from DNA so in all practicality is near impossible to kill the beast.

marke

@JulesKorngold

The idea that humans don't really die is a novel theory but hardly scientifically acceptable as fact.