Explain the relevance of the 144,000 Jewish witnesses in Revelation 7?

polytheistwitch

Christians complain about divination, consulting physics but embrace Revelation. 

JulesKorngold

Argument Topic: Lol

@RickeyHoltsclaw
What rubbish. 

RickeyHoltsclaw

@JulesKorngold ; Use Scripture and prove it "rubbish?"

RickeyHoltsclaw

@polytheistwitch ; Revelation is offered us by Jesus Christ our Creator...if you were wise and prudent, you will listen to Him.

1 The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show to his servants the things that must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John, 2 who bore witness to the word of God and to the testimony of Jesus Christ, even to all that he saw. 3 Blessed is the one who reads aloud the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear, and who keep what is written in it, for the time is near. Revelation 1

 

Joeseph

Briefly, explain the relevance of the 144,000 Jewish witnesses in Revelation 7?


Sure, it's a pile of horse sh-t .......are you any clearer now?

21CenturyIconoclast

@RickeyHoltsclaw

YOUR QUOTE WHERE YOU SAY YOUR BRUTAL SERIAL KILLER JESUS AS GOD DOES NOT LIE, NOT!:  "..... as Elohim does not lie but does exactly as He has promised ......."

"Rickey D.", Jesus as GOD did lie you continued Bible Dunce as shown in the passage below that is only one of MANY examples of Jesus LYING!, DUH!
"For this cause God shall send them strong delusion that they should believe a lie." ( 2 Thessalonians 2:11 ) 

Rickey D., why do you remain upon this Religion Forum to be made the continued BIBLE FOOL in front of the membership and Jesus (Hebrews 4:13) where the Atheists outright own you and your primitive thinking Christianity?  WHY?!!!  Do you like to be an air-headed Bible stoopid fool all the time, is that it? LOL!

NEXT BIBLE DUNCE EQUAL TO ...."RICKEYHOLTSCLAW".... THAT NO MORE KNOWS THE BIBLE THAN A FLATTENED CROW ON A TEXAS BACKROAD, WILL COMICALLY BE......?

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21CenturyIconoclast

@RickeyHoltsclaw



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RICKEY D., YOUR COMICAL QUOTE IN OPENING ANOTHER CAN OF WORMS REGARDING YOUR BIBLE, LOL!:  "Briefly, explain the relevance of the 144,000 Jewish witnesses in Revelation 7?"

Okay Bible Dunce Rickey, Revelation 7 starts out herewith: 

"After this I saw four angels standing at THE FOUR CORNERS OF THE EARTH, holding back the four winds of the earth to prevent any wind from blowing on the land or on the sea or on any tree. (2) Then I saw another angel coming up from the east, having the seal of the living God. He called out in a loud voice to the four angels who had been given power to harm the land and the sea: (3) Do not harm the land or the sea or the trees until we put a seal on the foreheads of the servants of our God." (Revelation 7:1-3)

Clearly, the main point to take from this part of Revelation 7 is that the earth is flat!  It has four corners and lies as flat as a pancake, therefore Rickey, please be careful and do not take any trips via the ocean because you might fall off the edge of the earth, okay Bible Dolt?!

"Then I heard the number of those who were sealed: 144,000 from all the tribes of Israel." (Revelation 7:4)

Yes, as shown in the passage above, only male Jews that are virgins will enter your 1400 square mile heaven!  RickeyHoltsclaw, are you a male Jew virgin? NOT, therefore no heaven for you upon your demise, so sorry.  

As to the question of those left on earth, your brutal serial killer Jesus never speaks of having two flocks, an earthly and heavenly class of followers. Remember Rickey, Jesus has one bride (Revelation 22:1), and she is not divided into two camps!  Those with their name in the book of life enter the New Jerusalem (Revelation 21:27) and those whose names are not in the book of life, "WHICH IS YOU," are thrown into the lake of fire (Revelation 20:15). 

Take note Bible Dunce RickeyHoltsclaw, there is a references in Psalm 37:29  to “inheriting the land” that is directed towards the promised land of Israel, which later became a type or figure of heaven. You are told by Paul in Philippians 3:20, that “your citizenship is in heaven.” Those who are occupied with what is earthly, LIKE YOU, will “end in destruction” according to the prior verse!  Whoops! Bible Contradiction Alert!  LOL!

Jesus as god once again LIES!: Rickey, you were created to see the face of your serial killer God as David wrote, “As the deer longs for streams of water, so my soul longs for you, O God. My being thirsts for God, the living God. When can I go and see the face of God?” (Psalm 42:1)  

BUT, if you are not a a virgin male Jew, of the sealed heaven-bound 144,000 JEWS described herein, you will never see god as the aforementioned verse so states, therefore Jesus' inspired words LIED again!

RickeyHoltsclaw, isn't it about time AGAIN that you release yourself from easily being made the BIBLE STOOPID FOOL again relative to Revelation 7 this time, and leave this Religion Forum to lick your wounds, and then come back after you heal again?  Yes?

HERE IS RICKEY'S DAUGHTER READING HER BIBLE, WHERE SHE IS HAPPY THAT HER FATHER RICKEY DIDN'T SMASH HER AGAINST THE ROCKS AS JESUS AS GOD SAID IN THIS VERSE!  ...... WHEW!

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just_sayin

21CenturyIconoclast said:

@RickeyHoltsclaw

YOUR QUOTE WHERE YOU SAY YOUR BRUTAL SERIAL KILLER JESUS AS GOD DOES NOT LIE, NOT!:  "..... as Elohim does not lie but does exactly as He has promised ......."

"Rickey D.", Jesus as GOD did lie you continued Bible Dunce as shown in the passage below that is only one of MANY examples of Jesus LYING!, DUH!
"For this cause God shall send them strong delusion that they should believe a lie." ( 2 Thessalonians 2:11 ) 

Rickey D., why do you remain upon this Religion Forum to be made the continued BIBLE FOOL in front of the membership and Jesus (Hebrews 4:13) where the Atheists outright own you and your primitive thinking Christianity?  WHY?!!!  Do you like to be an air-headed Bible stoopid fool all the time, is that it? LOL!

NEXT BIBLE DUNCE EQUAL TO ...."RICKEYHOLTSCLAW".... THAT NO MORE KNOWS THE BIBLE THAN A FLATTENED CROW ON A TEXAS BACKROAD, WILL COMICALLY BE......?

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Why are you always bombing people's debates with off topic rants?  Why won't you ever answer the questions that have been put to you like:
1) How did a universe pop into existence from zero space?
2) How did life pop into existence from non-life?

You just always run away.

You said that God lies or causes people to lie.  That is not true.  What is the 2 Thessalonians 2:11 verse getting at?  Let's ask Jules' favorite AI:

Based on the search results and biblical context, here are the key points about the meaning of 2 Thessalonians 2:11:

1. This verse comes in the context of Paul discussing the "man of lawlessness" and events preceding Christ's return.

2. The "powerful delusion" is sent by God as a judgment on those who have already rejected the truth of the gospel. It's not that God is tricking people, but rather confirming the choice they've already made.

3. The verse says this happens "For this reason" - referring back to verse 10, which states these people "refused to love the truth and so be saved."

4. The "lie" likely refers to the deception of the Antichrist figure, who will claim to be God (verse 4).

5. This delusion is sent so that those who have rejected truth will fully believe the Antichrist's lies, leading to their condemnation (verse 12).

6. It's seen as an act of divine judgment - God giving people over to the falsehoods they've chosen to embrace rather than the truth.

7. Some commentators compare this to how God "hardened Pharaoh's heart" in Exodus - not forcing sin, but confirming someone in their freely chosen path.

8. The passage emphasizes human responsibility - these people are condemned because "they refused to love the truth" (v.10), not because God forced them to believe lies.

In essence, this verse describes God allowing those who have persistently rejected truth to become fully deceived by falsehood as an act of judgment. It's a sobering warning about the consequences of repeatedly spurning God's truth.

Citations:

[1] https://www.bibleref.com/2-Thessalonians/2/2-Thessalonians-2-11.html

[2] https://defendinginerrancy.com/bible-solutions/2_Thessalonians_2.11.php

[3] https://biblehub.com/commentaries/2_thessalonians/2-11.htm

[4] https://versebyversecommentary.com/1999/10/15/2-thessalonians-211/

[5] https://www.desiringgod.org/interviews/does-god-send-strong-delusions-into-the-world

[6] https://billmuehlenberg.com/2015/10/15/difficult-bible-passages-2-thessalonians-211/

[7] https://www.preceptaustin.org/2-thessalonians-2-commentary

[8] https://www.reddit.com/r/Christianity/comments/14b3o2j/explain_to_me_thessalonians_21112_what_does_it/

God doesn't deceive them. The Anti-Christ deceives them.  They were already deceived.  God removes any obstacles out of their path so they can continue on the path they themselves had already chosen.

The lawless man is produced by the spirit of evil and armed with all the force, wonders and signs that falsehood can devise. To those involved in this dying world he will come with evil’s undiluted power to deceive, for they have refused to love the truth which could have saved them. God sends upon them, therefore, the full force of evil’s delusion, so that they put their faith in an utter fraud and meet the inevitable judgment of all who have refused to believe the truth and who have made evil their play-fellow. - 2 Thessalonians 2:9-11 JB Phillips

Why do you seek to deceive others and misrepresent the Bible?

Why are you such a coward?

Why won't you answer the questions put to you like you demand others do for you?

Why do you bomb people's debates with off topic issues?

RickeyHoltsclaw

@just_sayin ; Good to see you still tolerate this clown...enjoy yourself...

Fredsnephew

Argument Topic: Hey Rickey

@RickeyHoltsclaw

People wrote stuff.

Still do.

RickeyHoltsclaw

@Fredsnephew ; The Scriptures are provided you by the Holy Spirit who is Elohim...if you deny Him you deny Truth and life.

21CenturyIconoclast

@just_sayin


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Just_LYING,

SINCE RICKEYHOLTSCLAW NOW ACCEPTS THAT I EASILY OWN HIM AND HIS CHRISTIANITY BECAUSE HE CANNOT ADDRESS SAID POST OF MINE SHOWING JESUS AS GOD LIED, then I will address your bible stupidity upon this topic!


RUN RICKEY, RUN AWAY FROM YOUR BIBLE WHEN I PRESENT IT TO YOU BIBLE LOSER!  LOL!





JUST_LYING, YOUR QUOTE OF IRRATIONAL THINKING AND BEING A DUNCE IN NOT ACCEPTING LITERAL VERSES: "You said that God lies or causes people to lie.  That is not true.

THE VERSE IN QUESTION:  "For this cause God shall send them strong delusion that they should believe a lie." ( 2 Thessalonians 2:11 ) 

Your pre-school intellect is having a hard time again with actual LITERAL passages as shown above.  You can bring forth a myriad of your Satanic Apologetic Books that you have to copy and paste from until Hell freezes over, but you will NEVER take away the biblical fact that what the verse in question above states, and that is once again; GOD SENDS A "DELUSION" THAT THEY SHOULD BELIEVE A LIE, therefore Jesus LIED!!!!!!!!!!

DELUSION:  the act of tricking or deceiving someone : the state of being deluded
LIE: to make an untrue statement with intent to deceive



YOUR DUMB ASSSS QUOTE AGAIN: "Why are you always bombing people's debates with off topic rants?"

I am not "bombing" pseudo-christians topics, I am "correcting their bible stoopidity" like I did with our number one bible fool RickeyHoltsclaw, and you as well.  Get it Bible Dunce?



YOUR IRRATIONAL THINKING QUOTE AGAIN FOR THE UMPTEENTH TIME:  "Why won't you ever answer the questions that have been put to you like:1) How did a universe pop into existence from zero space? 2) How did life pop into existence from non-life?"

Ho hum, I will answer your two questions AFTER you answer mine that you have been running away from since MAY 9, 2024 that were way before you asked me your questions above!  Simply put for your simple mind, my questions were FIRST, your questions were SECOND, therefore in chronological order, you answer mine first and foremost, DUH!!

Here is the link AGAIN for you to respond to in answering ALL 19 of my questions directed to you before I address your two questions:

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/193084/#Comment_193084

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polytheistwitch

There's absolutely nothing in the Bible that relates Revelation back to Jesus Christ.

21CenturyIconoclast

@RickeyHoltsclaw

RickeyHoltsclaw, this Religion Forums number one BIBLE STU-PID FOOL, and runaway of same!

Rickey, since you have to run away from my posts to you now, where you finally admitted that my superior bible knowledge trumps your pre-school knowledge of same, so you have to take the position now of why should you continue to embarrass yourself in front of the membership when I easily Bible Slap you Silly!   Priceless!

Furthermore at your embarrassing expense, then as shown, are we to expect your equally bible stu-pid fool "Just_LYING" to answer for you now upon biblical topics because as explicitly shown, you can't do it yourself?  YES?  LOL!


Yes, I knew this day would come where poor RickeyHoltsclaw has to run away from me being an ATHEIST that has forgotten more about the primitive thinking Bronze and Iron Age bible, than Rickey will ever learn from it, praise ZEUS!



RUN RICKEY, HURRY, RUN FROM MY POSTS TO YOU AS A BIBLE LOSER!




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Fredsnephew

Argument Topic: Hey Rickey.

@RickeyHoltsclaw

Because number 144001 failed to show.

RickeyHoltsclaw

@polytheistwitch ; Jesus is the Author revealed in Revelation...the entire Book is about Jesus and the Tribulation and causation and Israel and the Millennial Reign and Judgment and the destruction of the present Earth and Heavens and the New Jerusalem....

Prologue

1 The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show to his servants[a] the things that must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John, 2 who bore witness to the word of God and to the testimony of Jesus Christ, even to all that he saw. 3 Blessed is the one who reads aloud the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear, and who keep what is written in it, for the time is near.  Revelation 1