Why choose to honor a God who will judge you unto death if you reject Him?

Factfinder

Your thread title proves there is no freewill in Christianity as you stated ostensively. 'Bend the knee or else'. That's something Putin would demand...

...honor a Putin dictator who will judge you unto death if you reject Him?

just_sayin

Factfinder said:

Your thread title proves there is no freewill in Christianity as you stated ostensively. 'Bend the knee or else'. That's something Putin would demand...

...honor a Putin dictator who will judge you unto death if you reject Him?

You seem to have a false notion of free will.  It appears you believe that free will means you can make any decision you want with no consequences.  It does not.  You are free to make your own choices, but you are not free of the consequences of them.  To claim that you don't have free will because you experience the consequences of your choices is a bad argument, that fails to observe that in order to experience the consequences of your choices, you had to have free will to make those choices in the first place.  

Factfinder

@just_sayin

You seem to have a false notion of free will. 

No, you do.

It appears you believe that free will means you can make any decision you want with no consequences. 

No, that's you inventing a strawman again.

 It does not. You are free to make your own choices, but you are not free of the consequences of them. 

Duh, captain obvious.

To claim that you don't have free will because you experience the consequences of your choices is a bad argument, that fails to observe that in order to experience the consequences of your choices, you had to have free will to make those choices in the first place.  

So a pirate ship mate is forced to walk the plank by the point of a sword chooses death? Cause he walks to the end and falls into the sea instead of death by sword? God is the pirate captain holding the sword, the pirate just wants to live, how does freewill work for the plank walker? It doesn't, the situation is totally controlled by the evil pirate Captain. 

True freewill has consequences and those can fall where they may: but when one party controls the consequences by exerting a demand of submission, then it's totalitarian rule that leaves no room for anyone to exercise freewill. See how critical thinking leads to reality based wisdom over your insecure faith in the childish indoctrination of myths?

MayCaesar

Some people are into extreme BDSM. We have to be understanding and accepting of it.

just_sayin

MayCaesar said:

Some people are into extreme BDSM. We have to be understanding and accepting of it.

Nah, May, only girls desperate for a green card think they have to be accepting of it.  just sayin

just_sayin

@Factfinder
True freewill has consequences and those can fall where they may: but when one party controls the consequences by exerting a demand of submission, then it's totalitarian rule that leaves no room for anyone to exercise freewill.

Deacon, you can choose to reject God.  He will not force you to spend eternity with Him.  That choice is yours.  God has offered a way to be forgiven of all sins.  That's grace.  Not totalitarian.  You can choose to accept his free offer or you can choose to reject it.  And many will do just that.  But to claim that you can do whatever you want and are never held accountable for your actions is special pleading on your part.  You have free will, but you are not free of the consequences of those choices.

Factfinder

@just_sayin

Deacon, you can choose to reject God. 

You carry on as if your elf god has importance in terms of reality. Myths for insecure YEC nuts are of no consequence.

RickeyHoltsclaw

Free will is the foundation for New Covenant relationship with our Heavenly Father. It is the one who "chooses" to honor the Father's will and "believe in the One He has sent into the World" to provide blood atonement for our sin that is granted eternal life.