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When Putin WINS his war on Ukraine, and we WITHDRAW from NATO, what'll happen to Europe?

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Hello:

Is this how World War III starts?  With Russia on Poland's doorstep, without the protection of NATO, who amongst you, doesn't think Putin will invade?

excon



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  • FactfinderFactfinder 1894 Pts   -  
    Could be but I don't think so. Biden is going to rush support to Zelensky now before Trump takes over plus Trump wants the war to end but not Ukraine. And do you think Ukraine won't use the big weapons they have and are still getting to finally strike Russia where it hurts since Biden won't be limiting their use for defense anymore? See the unnecessary carnage Biden and elitist liberals cost? He has said he'd work out a land deal in the past between them. That and the fact Trump doesn't cower to nuclear threats like Biden does as he knows anyone making them is desperate, also knowing there are know winners. Putin loves his ego too much to be the one that offs himself. 
  • Jules1Jules1 79 Pts   -  
    @Factfinder
    Trump not 'cowering' to nuclear powers is called being bellicose. The way Trump wants to end the war is to give him most or all of what Putin wants and say "No more" (seems familiar to another thing that happened in Europe, huh?) The US can't just decide to go all in on being aggressive or capitulate to Putin too much, Biden did ok for his part, but Trump wants to ally with Putin. Not the best idea at all, allying with a ruthless politician. I can agree with you, Putin has a huge ego, but Trump doesn't have a smaller one. 
  • jackjack 728 Pts   -   edited November 2024

    Biden is going to rush support to Zelensky now before Trump takes over plus Trump wants the war to end but not Ukraine.

    And do you think Ukraine won't use the big weapons they have
    Hello F:

    Really??  If they HAD those weapons they would have used them, and if they DO use them, that'll start WWIII.

    And, why, oh why, would Putin stop his war in the middle..  He didn't invade Ukraine so that he could run away without a victory.  Why would he do that???  Because Trump asked him to??

    Du*de..  I'm building me a shelter.  You??

    excon
  • FactfinderFactfinder 1894 Pts   -  
    @Jules1

    Trump not 'cowering' to nuclear powers is called being bellicose.

    Wrong. It would have exposed Putin's empty threats as Trump unlike Biden, understood what Russia can and can not do and still be around to be Russia. A nuclear war with us does not fit that scenario as Putin sees himself as another Alexander the Great, thus needed a quick victory over Ukraine, not an extermination event world wide.
  • Jules1Jules1 79 Pts   -  
    @Factfinder
    The more desperate he becomes, the likelihood he decides to use one as a message of his 'dominance' increases. I will admit, the Biden Administration has been a bit too permissive and the government in general doesn't seem too keen on continuing aid. But Trump is the worst of both, he can go from threatening nuclear war to saying that a peace treaty that gives up land is necessary. But one thing remains, he pals around with Putin and other strongmen.
  • jackjack 728 Pts   -  


    Wrong. It would have exposed Putin's empty threats as Trump unlike Biden, understood what Russia can and can not do and still be around to be Russia.
    Hello F:

    Soooo, Putin is the only one who has to understand what he can and can't do???  Really??  You're describing MAD, mutual assured destruction..  It's based on BOTH sides knowing what they can and can't do.  It works NOT because we TRUST 'em.  It's because we DON'T trust 'em..

    Look..  You wanted the orange man, and now you got him.. Deal with it.

    excon
    Factfinder
  • jackjack 728 Pts   -  
    Jules1 said:

    The more desperate he becomes, the likelihood he decides to use one as a message of his 'dominance' increases. .
    Hello J:

    There ain't no using ONE as a message..  There's use 'em ALL, or shut the f*ck up..  I 'd read up on MAD If I were you...


    excon

  • FactfinderFactfinder 1894 Pts   -  
    jack said:


    Wrong. It would have exposed Putin's empty threats as Trump unlike Biden, understood what Russia can and can not do and still be around to be Russia.
    Hello F:

    Soooo, Putin is the only one who has to understand what he can and can't do???  Really??  You're describing MAD, mutual assured destruction..  It's based on BOTH sides knowing what they can and can't do.  It works NOT because we TRUST 'em.  It's because we DON'T trust 'em..

    Look..  You wanted the orange man, and now you got him.. Deal with it.

    excon
    Exactly. We know Putin never intended on being content with Ukraine cause he said as much. He wants no NATO country bordering his own. Ukraine of course had formally applied for entrance into NATO after throwing out all of the Russian government members/dignitaries in their country. Poland is in NATO so no, it was weak of Biden to trust Putin would "listen" to him because he got "tough" with him before. LOL.

    That's why we know Putin doesn't want nukes used anymore than we do. So yes we will deal with Trumps approach now because Bidens approach to dole out weapons and tie the hands of Ukraine in using them has caused the people of Ukraine to be bombed at will. That carnage will end I believe. Do you think that was a good way to support them? To allow them to be bombed at will the way Biden did? You're right Putin isn't to be trusted but self preservation can be trusted.
  • BoganBogan 629 Pts   -  
    Just like in the USA, the Leftist pendulum has reached it's zenith and Europe is swinging back to the Right.        If Ukraine falls to Putin it is because the wimpy Euros were too chickenshiit to stand up and do what is right.    Even without the USA and Canada, the 30 other NATO countries have a combined GDP 10 times higher than Russia, and defence spending three times higher than Russia, and even that could be greatly increased if they had listened to Trump and increased their defense spending.      Europe can handle this problem themselves instead of always crying to the USA after sneering at Americans whenever they feel safe.   

    After decades of virtue signaling, Europe is finally coming to it's collective senses regarding third world immigration.      Those European countries which were the most woke and the most welcoming of Arab crazies and African criminals are the very same ones now suffering the most from their misguided generosity.    Like Factfinder, they believed with all their hearts that races are equal and it took the near destruction of their own once peaceful and safe societies to make them realise that they were wrong.  
    jack
  • jackjack 728 Pts   -  
    Bogan said:

    If Ukraine falls to Putin it is because the wimpy Euros were too chickenshiit to stand up and do what is right.
    Hello B:

    "What is right?"  I can't tell..  Should the Europeans have armed Ukraine in their war with Putin, or should they have laid down for the Russians??  Is it good for Poland to share a border with Russia?

    excon


    Joeseph
  • BoganBogan 629 Pts   -  
    Oh hi, Jack.     If you want another example of how the USA's allies are having a lend of you and bludging on the US taxpayer, you have only to look at Australia this week.     Our socialist socialite Prime Minister who got caught recently getting payola from Qantas and is now in hiding, made a government decision detrimental to Australia's defense.    The Australian military had been asking for a dedicated Australian military satellite for reconnaissance and encrypted communications for decades, and the $7 billion dollars for that had already been allocated.   But our crooked, Biden like Prime Minister cancelled the project and instead gave the money to university students to reduce their loan depts, and thereby win the university student volte.   To hell with Australia's defense, You yanks can provide that.    All that lefties want is power and the perks which go with it.   Trump is correct as usual.   America's allies are bludging on the USA and people like yourself are too ignorant to even notice.  
  • FredsnephewFredsnephew 515 Pts   -  
    Argument Topic: Hi Jack

    @jack

    Putin can't invade everywhere.

    The trouble with a big border, is lots of people to upset, and lots of borders to defend.

    So what goes around will come around and then we will be back to square one.

    Trump will be senile or dead and Americans will be fed up with Republicans.

    Same old. 
  • RickeyHoltsclawRickeyHoltsclaw 1291 Pts   -  
    Trump will bring peace between Ukraine and Russia and Trump will starve Iran and bring peace to the Middle East, again.
  • BoganBogan 629 Pts   -  
    @jack ;    "What is right?"  I can't tell.. 

    I know that you have always had a problem with that concept.  

    Jack quote     Should the Europeans have armed Ukraine in their war with Putin, or should they have laid down for the Russians??

    If the chickenshiite Euroes had given the Ukrainians what they heeded 2 and a half years ago, the war would probably be over by now.

    Jack quote    Is it good for Poland to share a border with Russia?

    The Poles have never thought so.   What is your point?     Try writing 350 words so that I might be able to figure out where you are coming from.   
  • JoesephJoeseph 1534 Pts   -  
    @RickeyHoltsclaw

    ** Trump will starve Iran**

    Great to see you hold onto your christian values as in starve women and children, what part of christianity do you follow?
  • FredsnephewFredsnephew 515 Pts   -  
    Argument Topic: Hey Joe.

    Joeseph said:
    @RickeyHoltsclaw

    ** Trump will starve Iran**

    Great to see you hold onto your christian values as in starve women and children, what part of christianity do you follow?

    @Joeseph

    Fire and Brimstone.
  • JoesephJoeseph 1534 Pts   -  
    @Fredsnephew

    That's it , I'm delighted to be deemed good enough to be one of the demons.
  • RickeyHoltsclawRickeyHoltsclaw 1291 Pts   -  
    @Fredsnephew ; Oh...you superior liberal moron...Iran's Mullah's are filthy rich from the policies of the Democrat Demons you support...you have no idea and no clue....you are simply foolish. 
  • BoganBogan 629 Pts   -  
    @RickeyHoltsclaw ;      Oh...you superior liberal moron...Iran's Mullah's are filthy rich from the policies of the Democrat Demons you support...you have no idea and no clue....you are simply foolish. 

    Amen to that.    But go easy on Joseph, Rick, he is just a kid.  
  • FredsnephewFredsnephew 515 Pts   -  
    Argument Topic: Hey Rickey

    @Fredsnephew ; Oh...you superior liberal moron...Iran's Mullah's are filthy rich from the policies of the Democrat Demons you support...you have no idea and no clue....you are simply foolish. 

    @RickeyHoltsclaw

    Like I stated elsewhere Rickey.

    Power corrupts.

    Republican, Democrat or Mullah.

    Makes no difference,
  • BoganBogan 629 Pts   -  
    @RickeyHoltsclaw

    Hey Rick.    Joseph seems to have disappeared off DI?   I think that Aarong must have chucked him off after I dobbed Joseph in for calling my mother a sl*ut and a whore.    Good riddence.     Another abusive troll gone. 
    Halleujah!  
  • JoesephJoeseph 1534 Pts   -  
    @Bogan


    Hey Rick. Joseph seems to have disappeared off DI?

    LOL


     I think that Aarong must have chucked him off after I dobbed Joseph in

    LOL .....Bogan the squealer .



    for calling my mother a sl*ut and a whore.


    The truth hurts.


     Good riddence

    LOL   learn to spell ....


    . Another abusive troll gone. 

    Yet you're still here.



    Halleujah!  


    LOL .......Oh nearly forgot you're a c-nt as well.....
    Factfinder
  • FactfinderFactfinder 1894 Pts   -  
    @Joeseph

    Yet you're still here.

    Isn't that the way it always is? Trolls are always wrong and the first to call others "trolls". Usually like Bogan, after they lose another debate.




  • JoesephJoeseph 1534 Pts   -  
    @Factfinder

    Isn't that the way it always is? Trolls are always wrong and the first to call others "trolls". Usually like Bogan, after they lose another debate.


    Poor old Bogie is like a bar tenders cat full of wind and piss and not much else 
    Factfinder
  • There is never going to be a World War 3. People really need to quit throwing it around like it means something.
  • FactfinderFactfinder 1894 Pts   -  
    @polytheistwitch

    There is never going to be a World War 3. People really need to quit throwing it around like it means something.

    Definitely not in the same sense as the first two world wars. However an extinction event that can happen in a matter of hours is very possible. The more nations get their hands on nukes the more probable the threat becomes. One nut thinking they built a bunker capable of withstanding a nuclear winter for years, decades could be all it takes. Or a country losing a war deciding they're not going down alone. It's very hard to predict the future.
    jack
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