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We should be accepting of people's identities, to a certain point.

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I believe that we should accept gay and trans people, along with others under those spectrums for who they are. However, I think that when people start using rat/rats as their pronouns, we shouldn't validate them. It's fine if you start using a new set of pronouns, for instance, you were born a boy, transitioned, and now people see you as a woman, but it's just dumb to identify with any word in the dictionary like this. It just gives people more ammunition to hurl at the LGBTQ community. Most people don't identify as a cat, but the ones that do get a lot of attention. Speaking of identifying as different species, I know people are going to compare being trans to this. I'll include a quote for everyone from comparing being trans to identifying as inanimate objects and species of animals.

"Yet, there is a marked difference between wanting to be another gender, considering the range and complexity of human gender, and wanting to be another species, something that is impossible...The one-animal-yearns-to-be-another construct at its heart, is a misunderstanding of what it means to be transgender."
-Parrish Turner

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  • JoesephJoeseph 1534 Pts   -  

    I believe that we should accept gay and trans people, along with others under those spectrums for who they are

    But most people do I would think , yet you think it's dumb to identify with something that's not on your preferred list of identities , that's demonstrate an inconsistency in your reasoning.


    However, I think that when people start using rat/rats as their pronouns, we shouldn't validate them. It's fine if you start using a new set of pronouns, for instance, you were born a boy, transitioned, and now people see you as a woman, but it's just dumb to identify with any word in the dictionary like this. It just gives people more ammunition to hurl at the LGBTQ community. Most people don't identify as a cat, but the ones that do get a lot of attention. Speaking of identifying as different species, I know people are going to compare being trans to this. I'll include a quote for everyone from comparing being trans to identifying as inanimate objects and species of animals.

    But what youre doing what you're doing now  is exactly what others have accused those who criticise the LGBTQ community of, saying its dumb is not an argument , to be consistent you have to demonstrate why you think it's dumnb, let's take Otherkins for an example......

    WIKI

    The term otherkin includes a broad range of identities. Otherkin may identify as creatures of the natural world, mythology, or popular culture.[7] Examples include but are not limited to the following: aliens, angels, demons, dragons, elves, fairies, horses, foxes, wolves, sprites, unicorns, and fictional characters.[8][9][10][11] Rarer are those who identify as plants, machines, concepts, or natural phenomena such as weather systems.[12]

    The term "therian" refers to people who spiritually identify as an animal of the natural world on a non-physical level. The species of animal a therian identifies as is called a theriotype.[13] While therians mainly attribute their experiences of therianthropy to either spirituality or psychology, the way in which they consider their therian identity is not a defining characteristic of therianthropy.[14] The identity "transspecies" is used by some.[15]

    Community
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    Otherkin communities online largely function without formal authority structures and mostly focus on support and information gathering, often dividing into more specific groups based on kintype.[11] There are occasional offline gatherings, but the otherkin network is mostly an online phenomenon.[11]

    The therian and vampire subcultures are related to the otherkin community, and are considered part of it by most otherkin but are culturally and historically distinct movements of their own, despite some overlap in membership.[1] The word alterhuman exists as an umbrella term which intends to encompass all of these subcultures, as well as others such as plurality.[16]



    "Yet, there is a marked difference between wanting to be another gender, considering the range and complexity of human gender, and wanting to be another species, something that is impossible...The one-animal-yearns-to-be-another construct at its heart, is a misunderstanding of what it means to be transgender."
    -Parrish Turner

    OK explain to me the difference between someone who claims to be Demigender or one who claims to be a rat?
  • jackjack 728 Pts   -   edited November 2024

    We should be accepting of people's identities, to a certain point.

    Hello F:

    Nahhh...  You're a FREE person in a FREE country..  And, you don't have to ACCEPT anybody, as long as your "certain point" above, is leaving them alone and minding your own business.  Ain't nobody here telling you that you can't be as bigoted as you wanna be either.

    Ain't this a great country, or what?

    excon
    Foxtrot22024
  • jackjack 728 Pts   -   edited November 2024
    Joeseph said:

    OK explain to me the difference between someone who claims to be Demigender or one who claims to be a rat?
    Hello Joeseph:

    When people are free, they'll do some mighty strange things.. And, I don't have to understand any of it, other than, in this great country of ours, as long as they require nothing of me, they're free to be as strange as they wanna be.

    Ain't freedom great?

    excon
    Joeseph
  • BoganBogan 629 Pts   -  
    If somebody wants to walk around with a teapot on their heads, then there is no law which prevents them from doing so.    However, the overwhelming majority of the population would consider them to al be nut cases.  .     When people who walk around with teapots on their heads start claiming that they must be addressed in a certain way, all they are going to get from the normal population is two fingers wort hof self righteous indignation.  (or one finger in the case of the USA)       If people who walk around with teapots on their heads can find normal people who claim that such behaviour is normal behaviour, then manage to rot out school boards, and then insist that they have the right to tell everybody else's children, that walking around with a teapot on your head is perfectly normal behaviour, then they are sowing the political wind.   This is especially so if a political party sees some sort of advantage to sucking up to people who walk around with teapots on their heads, and begins oppressing parents who object to this rubbish being taught to their kids.  
  • just_sayinjust_sayin 1368 Pts   -  
    @Foxtrot22024

    The notion that gender is 'all in the mind' is bull.  If gender is only in the mind and not about the body parts one has then people wouldn't want to cut off their penises and breasts.  If you have to add or cut off body parts to feel like you are a certain gender, then gender is about the physical body parts.  The fact is you can't discuss any of the 756 (or whatever the number is this week) genders without referencing biological males and females.  Try defining who a lesbian is attracted to without referencing either physical body parts or stereotypes of what a woman is.

    Adults should be free to live their lives as they see fit.  But it is unjust for them to demand that we must participate in their self delusion.  I should not be forced to use pronouns that do not match their biological sex, especially if my religious beliefs are that God made us male and female, 

    Since minors do not have the agency to fully comprehend the unintended consequences of prolonged puberty blockers or sex change operations, I can't support someone wanting to mutilate a minor's body, especially since studies show that minors who identify as a gender different than their body will not do so by the time they become an adult.  
  • JoesephJoeseph 1534 Pts   -  
    @jack

    Hello Jack,  I totally agree which is why I'm curious as to why our new user asks us all to treat others rhe way we wish to be treated yet he then doesn't want to do so with groups he calls " dumb" 
    jack
  • RickeyHoltsclawRickeyHoltsclaw 1291 Pts   -   edited November 2024
    @Foxtrot22024 ; Mental and Spiritual Illnesses should not be supported or allied with but rebuked and treated. Why not live in Truth as opposed to deception, why support deception?


  • polytheistwitchpolytheistwitch 288 Pts   -   edited November 2024
    Transgenderism is going to be one taboo and underground between now and when Trump takes office. I wouldn't be surprised if we see mass firings, doctors are going to quit treating people for fear of repercussions. So it really won't matter if you're accepting or not it'll become something you're not allowed to talk about.
  • MayCaesarMayCaesar 6920 Pts   -  
    What do you mean by "accepting"? I accept the fact that someone claims to be a gender that he is not, but I do not accept the claim itself unconditionally. In the quote you provided, I do not see a good argument for why gender self-identification should carry more weight than species self-identification. If I identify as a tree and reference the complexity of biological organisms, fuzzy borders between species, intricacies of human language and so on - how is you telling me that I am not a tree different from me telling you that you are not a woman? Whether you are something or not should be determined by how that something is defined, not by how you "feel" or self-identify.

    Now, if you really want me to call you a tree - if you experience something akin to a PTSD if I call you anything else - then fine, I will comply. But, first, such a request will have serious implications on my opinion of you (not very positive ones either), and second, given the awkwardness of it, I might just prefer to stop interacting with you at all. I befriend humans, not trees.

    Acceptance does not imply approval. I can accept someone doing something while having a negative opinion on it. If you want to shoot heroin all day long in your house - go ahead, I will not interfere. But I certainly will try to stay very far away from you.

    I have trans friends, and I treat them as I see them: as the gender they present themselves as. They did not impose it on me: they are great people and I respect their (in this case, not arbitrary) preferences. The moment people start lecturing me on what I "should" do though, my respect goes out the window. If you think that I am somehow morally obliged you to treat you however you want to be treated, then I might choose to treat you the opposite of that out of principle: I do not like being pressured by moralistic nonsense. Trust me to treat you with dignity, and I will. Have a low expectation of me by default - and you will get what you expect.
    FactfinderFoxtrot22024
  • FactfinderFactfinder 1894 Pts   -  
    @MayCaesar

    I accept the fact that someone claims to be a gender that he is not, but I do not accept the claim itself unconditionally.

    While I enjoyed your entire post this sentence stood out as profound wisdom and truth. I respect what others want to identify as too, but not to the point I must accept that it's reasonable to have a biological males in female only sports. They've still got the male upper body advantage even if they go all the way in the transgender journey. Nor do I accept I must believe them every bit as a woman as females who are born with an uterus and can carry a baby to term. They are not the same sex at the end of the day.
    MayCaesar
  • MayCaesarMayCaesar 6920 Pts   -  

    It is strange how the expectation of unconditional acceptance has become commonplace on the West, is it not? It used to be that people would come up with weird quirks, dress provocatively, speak in an unusual way as means of standing out from the crowd and asserting their independence - and acceptance by others was, if anything, undesirable, for it meant that they did not go far enough in asserting it. But now, in the "me-me-me" world, everyone accepting and approving of your quirks is the goal.

    The idea that the world does not owe you anything and that in order to achieve something in life you have to work hard for it and tolerate discomfort - should come back to Western schools. It is pathological for the society to view lack of acceptance as unacceptable. :) When everyone around me is accepting of my claims, I know that I am doing something wrong. It means that my claims are not challenging enough, that I am losing myself in seeking approval from others.
  • RickeyHoltsclawRickeyHoltsclaw 1291 Pts   -  
    Accepting the demonic confusion of Trans won't solve the mental insanity of rejecting reality...stand for the Truth and place these confused men and women in institutions and provide them intervention.
  • FredsnephewFredsnephew 515 Pts   -  
    Argument Topic: But Rickey

    Accepting the demonic confusion of Trans won't solve the mental insanity of rejecting reality...stand for the Truth and place these confused men and women in institutions and provide them intervention.

    @RickeyHoltsclaw

    Some might say that rejecting reality, also means devoting ones existence to the adulation of mythical Middle Eastern folk heroes.


    Though the overriding principle that I always abide by, is:

    Everything that occurs within a Universe at an given moment, is naturally occurring.

    Religion and transsexualism alike.
  • RickeyHoltsclawRickeyHoltsclaw 1291 Pts   -   edited November 2024
    @Fredsnephew ; I would say that atheism is a complete rejection of logic and reality as the Bible clearly explains our origin and our eschatological destiny and this is under girded by flawless prophecy that is still unfolding before our very eyes...you people are too arrogant and stu-pid to acknowledge this because you are tools and fo-ols of Satan.

    Naturalism is a demonic ideology...there is nothing "Natural" about our creation or our genome and you're too arrogant and ignorant to acknowledge this.




  • FactfinderFactfinder 1894 Pts   -  
    @RickeyHoltsclaw


    I would say that atheism is a complete rejection of logic and reality as the Bible clearly explains our origin and our eschatological destiny and this is under girded by flawless prophecy that is still unfolding before our very eyes...you people are too arrogant and stu-pid to acknowledge this because you are tools and fo-ols of Satan


    Says the one who believes in magical fairytale elf gods/mythical characters like Satan and that Kangaroos migrated from Mt. Ararat over 7000 miles to Australia only some 6000 years ago. Not leaving a trace of evidence and just after disembarking from a boat built too small according to biblical specs to hold all animals of the earth on and the supporting livestock. So how in your logic Ricky how did plants grow on earth before the sun existed again?
  • RickeyHoltsclawRickeyHoltsclaw 1291 Pts   -  
    @Factfinder ; Light was available on Day-1...what don't you understand about this atheist?

    1 In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. 2 The earth was without form and void, and darkness was over the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.

    3 And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. 4 And God saw that the light was good. And God separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, the first day.


  • BoganBogan 629 Pts   -  
  • FredsnephewFredsnephew 515 Pts   -   edited November 2024
    Argument Topic: Hey Foxy

    @Foxtrot22024

    If a bloke want's to chop his balls of and call himself Betty.

    What the feck do I care.
    Foxtrot22024
  • Foxtrot22024Foxtrot22024 44 Pts   -   edited November 2024
    @Fredsnephew me neither. I didn't elaborate on who I was referring to. Some people take to the internet to mock trans identifying people and others in a derogatory way by making crude imitations of them. I don't give a shart if you are a boy, a girl, or any other gender. Express yourself however you want, do what you will with your body. It is a popular argument with anti-trans people to refer to a trans person wearing clothes of the gender they are transitioning to, and then put a pair of cat ears on or some crap and say that they are now a cat. It isn't fair to compare trans people to this.
  • RickeyHoltsclawRickeyHoltsclaw 1291 Pts   -  
    @Foxtrot22024 ; If you desire to reject nature and normalcy that is your business...you queers and trans just leave our children alone...they are NOT to be your subjects of deception!


  • Christianity is a fake religion drawn up by Rome. They appropriated the god of the Jews and somehow think that god will do something for them. They should keep their hands off our children and stay out of our schools.
  • RickeyHoltsclawRickeyHoltsclaw 1291 Pts   -   edited November 2024
    @polytheistwitch ; @Factfinder ; @Fredsnephew ; @GnosticChristian ; Christianity, in accordance with "religion" defined as mankind's attempt to establish a relationship with our Creator through human effort, is NOT a religion at all but Christianity is an intimate relationship established with our Creator, Jesus Christ, through faith-belief in Jesus, not works, as the promised Messiah who died for us to pay our sin-debt owed the Father, a debt we could never pay our self due the sin-nature inherited from our first father, Adam. Without Jesus as your Messiah and Mediator for sin, you will die in Hell in your sin because you unrepentant sin will NOT be permitted to enter the Kingdom (John 8:24; Revelation 21:27).

    Schools don't belong to fags, queers, pedophiles, perverts, they belong to our children via governmental edict and our children deserve to be protected from the demons in humanity.


  • All religions involve a relationship with deity quit acting like your special your religion is nothing more or less than any other religion. It's only 2,000 years old and you're constantly trying to shove your religion in the places to prove it's true because you have no faith 

  • RickeyHoltsclawRickeyHoltsclaw 1291 Pts   -  
    @polytheistwitch ; Here, listen to this...it will calm your nerves.
  • I'm perfectly calm and laughing my off at your stupidity.
  • RickeyHoltsclawRickeyHoltsclaw 1291 Pts   -  
    @polytheistwitch ; Sure you are...LOL
    polytheistwitch
  • FredsnephewFredsnephew 515 Pts   -  
    Argument Topic: Hey Rickey

    @RickeyHoltsclaw

    Everything that occurs within a Universe at any given moment, is naturally occurring.

    Ergo normal.

    You just need to be tolerant of the ongoing new normal.

    Chill out Rickey.

    Throw out the old books and go commune with nature.
  • RickeyHoltsclawRickeyHoltsclaw 1291 Pts   -  
    @Fredsnephew ; There is no "new normal"...it's all a repeat of human failure....you are a repeat of human failure...it will have an end also in Hell. You have chosen to die in stup-idity, arrogance, foolishness, ignorance...at least you won't die unaware. Jesus is your only HOPE!

    Ecclesiastes 1:9

    New International Version

    9 What has been will be again,
        what has been done will be done again;
        there is nothing new under the sun.




  • BoganBogan 629 Pts   -  
    @RickeyHoltsclaw


    Polywhatever quote       All religions involve a relationship with deity quit acting like your special your religion is nothing more or less than any other religion. It's only 2,000 years old and you're constantly trying to shove your religion in the places to prove it's true because you have no faith 

    He does have a point, Rick.   If you don't believe in abortion, don't have one.   But please stop preaching to other people that it is wrong, and getting in their faces about it.   .   Abortion is now accepted everywhere and if Christians who oppose abortion don't just leave people alone who do support abortion, then most people wiil become hostile to you.   Which, I presume is the real reason why Polywhatever is so hostile to your religion?  
  • BarnardotBarnardot 780 Pts   -  
    @polytheistwitch ;Christianity is a fake religion drawn up by Rome. 

    What the eff are you talking about?

    You don't say "fake religion" just like you don't say "French Champaigne". 

    Like what the?

  • Jules1Jules1 79 Pts   -  
    @Joeseph

    OK explain to me the difference between someone who claims to be Demigender or one who claims to be a rat?
    Don't know if this was already answered, but Demigender is someone who identifies somewhat with a gender, but not fully. It falls under the non-binary umbrella. Identifying as a rat is a falsehood weaponized by homophobes to de-legitimize the LGBTQ+ community. Almost nobody identifies as an animal in a completely physical way (no, furries don't count). I would also like to say that Otherkin is a fringe spiritual belief that can be somewhat co-opted into the LGBTQ+ community via xenogenders, which are usually either ironic or describe feelings. Same with therian. Hope this explains it, if not I would be happy to give a bit more specificity.
  • just_sayinjust_sayin 1368 Pts   -  
    Jules1 said:
    @Joeseph

    OK explain to me the difference between someone who claims to be Demigender or one who claims to be a rat?
    Don't know if this was already answered, but Demigender is someone who identifies somewhat with a gender, but not fully. It falls under the non-binary umbrella. Identifying as a rat is a falsehood weaponized by homophobes to de-legitimize the LGBTQ+ community. Almost nobody identifies as an animal in a completely physical way (no, furries don't count). I would also like to say that Otherkin is a fringe spiritual belief that can be somewhat co-opted into the LGBTQ+ community via xenogenders, which are usually either ironic or describe feelings. Same with therian. Hope this explains it, if not I would be happy to give a bit more specificity.
    Could you explain to me, if gender is not about biological sex, what it means to identify with a specific gender?  Can you explain it without appealing to biological sex or stereotypes about biological sex?  I honestly don't know what a biological man means if he says he identifies as a woman, but claims that gender is not about biological sex and the stereotypes around biological sex.  
  • Jules1Jules1 79 Pts   -  
    @just_sayin
    Biological sex is decided by chromosomes, we all learned this during biology. Recently (unless you count the german place that got burnt down) there has been evidence that the brain's idea of gender is not necessarily in-line with the biological sex, of course, one is much more likely to identify as their biological sex, but someone identifying as another gender makes scientifical sense and is normal enough to be documented, the reason that this evidence is being found so recently is that societal norms have suppressed subversive ideas on gender or the societies that did have it didn't really document too many transgender people. What has been documented are non-binary priests in India, who were only referred to by name and did not have a gender.

    TLDR: Biological sex usually influences gender identity, but sometimes it doesn't, and it makes scientific sense that sometimes it doesn't
  • just_sayinjust_sayin 1368 Pts   -  
    Jules1 said:
    @just_sayin
    Biological sex is decided by chromosomes, we all learned this during biology. Recently (unless you count the german place that got burnt down) there has been evidence that the brain's idea of gender is not necessarily in-line with the biological sex, of course, one is much more likely to identify as their biological sex, but someone identifying as another gender makes scientifical sense and is normal enough to be documented, the reason that this evidence is being found so recently is that societal norms have suppressed subversive ideas on gender or the societies that did have it didn't really document too many transgender people. What has been documented are non-binary priests in India, who were only referred to by name and did not have a gender.

    TLDR: Biological sex usually influences gender identity, but sometimes it doesn't, and it makes scientific sense that sometimes it doesn't
    How does someone know they don't identify as a certain gender if gender isn't directly tied to biological sex?  I still don't understand what it would mean if a biological male said he felt like a woman, without him making some appeal to either biological sex, or the stereotypes associated with biological sex.  Can you explain what a woman is if it is not directly linked to biological sex?  I truly wouldn't know what someone was talking about if they said they felt like a woman, but not in a biological or stereotypical way.
  • Jules1Jules1 79 Pts   -  
    @just_sayin
    Just for clearing it up, what do you consider a "stereotype" about gender? A biological male can identify as a woman due to how the brain works with gender, the brain sees it as just a concept and treats it as such. The separation in sex and gender is the way the body approaches it, sex is concrete and unchangeable, but gender is malleable and can be decided over time. So a woman has 2 definitions, one concrete, and one fluid. Either XX chromosomes, or the brain deciding upon the female gender. Do note that gender science is still developing and there could be a discovery that links gender to some biological function (there are already early studies suggesting that could be the case). If gender IS decided and concrete at some point in an individual's life, I will note that and correct myself, but for now, I hope my current answer suffices.
  • just_sayinjust_sayin 1368 Pts   -  
    Jules1 said:
    @just_sayin
    Just for clearing it up, what do you consider a "stereotype" about gender? A biological male can identify as a woman due to how the brain works with gender, the brain sees it as just a concept and treats it as such. The separation in sex and gender is the way the body approaches it, sex is concrete and unchangeable, but gender is malleable and can be decided over time. So a woman has 2 definitions, one concrete, and one fluid. Either XX chromosomes, or the brain deciding upon the female gender. Do note that gender science is still developing and there could be a discovery that links gender to some biological function (there are already early studies suggesting that could be the case). If gender IS decided and concrete at some point in an individual's life, I will note that and correct myself, but for now, I hope my current answer suffices.
    I am sure you are trying to be helpful, but you didn't say anything I can concretely latch on to that denotes to me the difference in someone who claims their gender is a man or a woman, if they aren't appealing to biological sex or sex based stereotypes.  By stereotypes, I would mean from a physical standpoint, wanting to look and dress like like a biological woman.  Other stereotypes I am thinking of as having qualities regarded as characteristic of women and girls, such as gentleness, nurturing, delicacy, or more modest.  More interested in fashion than sports.  
  • JoesephJoeseph 1534 Pts   -   edited November 2024
    @Jules1


    Don't know if this was already answered, but Demigender is someone who identifies somewhat with a gender, but not fully.

    You mean someone who is mixed up?

     It falls under the non-binary umbrella

    A pile of nonsense.

    . Identifying as a rat is a falsehood weaponized by homophobes to de-legitimize the LGBTQ+ community.

    No it's not and that's Ratist as it's a slur on rats. 


     Almost nobody identifies as an animal in a completely physical way (no, furries don't count).

    I've never heard of anyone in real life tell me they were non binary either,  so ?


     I would also like to say that Otherkin is a fringe spiritual belief that can be somewhat co-opted into the LGBTQ+ community via xenogenders, which are usually either ironic or describe feelings

    What a load of clap trap is anyone meant to take this seriously?


    . Same with therian

    " therian" ....LOL 

    . Hope this explains it, if not I would be happy to give a bit more specificity.

    Thanks for the effort , I learned biology at school scientifically we were told there's male and female or confused that's it's,  let's not complicate simple matters by pretending otherwise,
  • MayCaesarMayCaesar 6920 Pts   -  
    @Jules1

    Your argument does not make much sense. You are basically decoupling gender from sex. If gender really is separate sex, then what is it? Is it just an arbitrary label like a name? My name is May, and my gender is Caesar - is that how it works?

    The older term "transsexual" makes more sense to me: a person has one biological sex, but feels belonging to another (which is a very well documented phenomenon going back millennia). "Transgender", on the other hand, is something outlandish. What is "gender" in the first place if it is not the same as sex? Are there any limitations on what I can call my "gender", or is it constrained by some properties of my organism?

    It seems to me that by jumping from sex to ill-defined "gender", the ideologues undermined their own position. Where previously they wanted to protect the rights and ensure respectful treatment of the people who feel detached from their biological sex, now they are instead accommodating weirdos with pink hair and a gazillion adjectives.
  • BoganBogan 629 Pts   -  
    @Jules1 ;    Just for clearing it up, what do you consider a "stereotype" about gender? A biological male can identify as a woman due to how the brain works with gender, the brain sees it as just a concept and treats it as such. The separation in sex and gender is the way the body approaches it, sex is concrete and unchangeable, but gender is malleable and can be decided over time. So a woman has 2 definitions, one concrete, and one fluid. Either XX chromosomes, or the brain deciding upon the female gender. Do note that gender science is still developing and there could be a discovery that links gender to some biological function (there are already early studies suggesting that could be the case). If gender IS decided and concrete at some point in an individual's life, I will note that and correct myself, but for now, I hope my current answer suffices.

    The overwhelming majority of people see your "explanation" as pure lunacy.    "Transgenderism" being forced down the public's throats in the USA was probably one of the most important reason why Trump won in a landslide.    Left wing DEI hire academics can drone on and on about self serving social theories, but the public will never accept that a man can magically turn into a woman just by putting on a dress and saying that he is a woman.     To accept that gender is "fluid" is to open up a can of worms with all sorts of unintended consequences for the whole of society.     From "transgender" inmates in female prisons getting female prisoners pregnant, to sex offenders who like exposing themselves to women going into female showers, change rooms, and locker rooms, taking off all of their clothes and walking around with erections, to completely destroying female spots.  

    One amusing situation occured on TV when there was yet another left wing panel of "experts" analyzing why the Dems lost the election.   A black guy suggested that the Democrats support for boys claiming to be girls was absolutely opposed by the overwhelming majority of electors.   Instead of discussing this rationally, a white "expert" across the table  simply started screaming at the top of his voice, "trans men are women!   Trans men are women!   Trans men are women!

    These people are lunatics and it shows.   .  
  • Foxtrot22024Foxtrot22024 44 Pts   -   edited November 2024
    Jules1: Don't know if this was already answered, but Demigender is someone who identifies somewhat with a gender, but not fully. It falls under the non-binary umbrella. Identifying as a rat is a falsehood weaponized by homophobes to de-legitimize the LGBTQ+ community. Almost nobody identifies as an animal in a completely physical way (no, furries don't count). I would also like to say that Otherkin is a fringe spiritual belief that can be somewhat co-opted into the LGBTQ+ community via xenogenders, which are usually either ironic or describe feelings. Same with therian. Hope this explains it, if not I would be happy to give a bit more specificity.
    @Jules1, I agree, this was the argument I was trying to make when I first posted this, but I can't word things so I'm glad you said this. Anyways, I am fine with whatever gender or sexuality someone has, because it doesn't affect me. What bothers me is when people against LGBT make up fake identities completely unrelated to this to try and prove a false point.
    Jules1Joeseph
  • Jules1Jules1 79 Pts   -  
    @MayCeasar
    Sex and gender are usually linked, but there are exceptions, like trans and non-binary people. 
    Transsexual was changed due to the confusion with homosexual, as adding sexual to the end now evokes the idea of attraction to a certain gender(s).
    Gender is limited to the 6 basic pronouns: She/Her, He/Him, They/Them. Though one can mix and match these according to their gender identity. 
    Weirdos with pink hair are still that, weirdos with pink hair. No matter their set of pronouns there will always be weirdos, using the existence of weirdos to justify hate against certain groups of people is a bad argument. There are people on the right with SS skull tattoos and claim we need genocide, does that represent the whole right? No, it would be silly to represent the worst of a group of people and claim it is the norm.
  • JoesephJoeseph 1534 Pts   -  
    @Foxtrot22024


    Anyways, I am fine with whatever gender or sexuality someone has, because it doesn't affect me. 


    But you said ..........

    but it's just dumb to identify with any word in the dictionary like this. 


    So if someone identifies as a cow you and Jules brand them "dumb" yet it doesnt affect either of you   can you resolve this total contradictory stance?
    Factfinder
  • Jules1Jules1 79 Pts   -  
    @Joeseph
    I do not brand people who like anthropomorphic animals 'dumb'. I am simply saying that there is next to no one who actually identifies as one, of course there are some, as there is one of anything, but using it against LGBTQ+ identities as a 'gotcha' is simply horrid. 
    Please, tell me, when did I call anyone who identifies as any specific thing "dumb"?
  • JoesephJoeseph 1534 Pts   -   edited November 2024
    @Jules1

    I do not brand people who like anthropomorphic animals 'dumb'. 

    That's correct you didn't , my bad but what you said was just as bad and totally incorrect as in ........

    Identifying as a rat is a falsehood weaponized by homophobes.......


    That's untrue and is doing exactly what you are accusing others of doing as you're branding those who disagree with you as " homophobes" 

    You have contradictory views you  cannot have it both ways 

    I am simply saying that there is next to no one who actually identifies as one, of course there are some, as there is one of anything, but using it against LGBTQ+ identities as a 'gotcha' is simply horrid. 


    How do you know how many do?  How many does there have to be to make the group part of LGBTQ+ COMMUNITY?  Isn't the plus sign meant to mean your designation will find acceptance and support?

    Again  I'm not using it against anyone its  all in my opening remarks, I'm objecting to the fact that the OP branded anyone who wasn't in his prefered grouping  "dumb" 
    Factfinder
  • JoesephJoeseph 1534 Pts   -  
    @Jules1 @Foxrtrot22024

    Do you accept these 72 gender types also? If not why not?

    Besides male and female, there are 72 other genders, which include the following:

    1. Agender: A person who does not identify themselves with or experience any gender. Agender people are also called null-gender, genderless, gendervoid, or neutral gender.
    2. Abimegender: Associated with being profound, deep, and infinite. The term abimegender may be used alone or in combination with other genders.
    3. Adamas gender: A gender that is indefinable or indomitable. People identifying with this gender refuse to be categorized in any particular gender identity.
    4. Aerogender: Also called evaisgender, this gender identity changes according to one’s surroundings.
    5. Aesthetigender: Also called aesthetgender, it is a type of gender identity derived from aesthetics.
    6. Affectugender: This is based on the person’s mood swings or fluctuations.
    7. Agenderflux: A person with this gender identity is mostly agender with brief shifts of belonging to other gender types.
    8. Alexigender: The person has a fluid gender identity between more than one type of gender although they cannot name the genders they feel fluid in.
    9. Aliusgender: This gender identity stands apart from existing social gender constructs. It means having a strong specific gender identity that is neither male nor female.
    10. Amaregender: Having a gender identity that changes depending on the person one is emotionally attached to.
    11. Ambigender: Having two specific gender identities simultaneously without any fluidity or fluctuations.
    12. Ambonec: The person identifies themselves as both man and woman and yet does not belong to either.
    13. Amicagender: A gender-fluid identity where a person changes their gender depending on the friends they have.
    14. Androgyne: A person feels a combination of feminine and masculine genders.
    15. Anesigender: The person feels close to a specific type of gender despite being more comfortable in closely identifying themselves with another gender.
    16. Angenital: The person desires to be without any primary sexual characteristics although they do not identify themselves as genderless.
    17. Anogender: The gender identity fades in and out in intensity but always comes back to the same gendered feeling.
    18. Anongender: The person has a gender identity but does not label it or would prefer to not have a label.
    19. Antegender: A protean gender that can be anything but is formless and motionless.
    20. Anxiegender: This gender identity has anxiety as its prominent characteristic.
    21. Apagender: The person has apathy or a lack of feelings toward one's gender identity.
    22. Apconsugender: It means knowing what are not the characteristics of gender but not knowing what are its characteristics. Thus, a person hides its primary characteristics from the individual.
    23. Astergender: The person has a bright and celestial gender identity.
    24. Astral gender: Having a gender identity that feels to be related to space.
    25. Autigender: Having a gender identity that feels to be closely related to being autistic.
    26. Autogender: Having a gender experience that is deeply connected and personal to oneself.
    27. Axigender: A gender identity that is between the two extremes of agender and any other type of gender. Both the genders are experienced one at a time without any overlapping. The two genders are described as on the opposite ends of an axis.
    28. Bigender: Having two gender identities at the same or different times.
    29. Biogender: Having a gender that is closely related to nature.
    30. Blurgender: Also called gender fuss, blurgender means having more than one gender identities that blur into each other so that no particular type of gender identity is clear.
    31. Boyflux: The person identifies themselves as male, but they experience varying degrees of male identity. This may range from feeling agender to completely male.
    32. Burstgender: Frequent bursts of intense feelings quickly move to the initial calm stage.
    33. Caelgender: This gender identity shares the qualities or aesthetics of outer space.
    34. Cassgender: It is associated with the feelings of considering the gender irrelevant or unimportant.
    35. Cassflux: There is a fluctuating intensity of irrelevance toward gender.
    36. Cavusgender: The person feels close to one gender when depressed and to another when not depressed.
    37. Cendgender: The gender identity changes from one gender to its opposite.
    38. Ceterogender: It is a nonbinary gender where the person has a specific masculine, feminine or neutral feelings.
    39. Ceterofluid: Although the person is a ceterogender, their identity keeps fluctuating between different genders.
    40. Cisgender: Being closely related to the gender assigned at birth during the entire life.
    41. Cloudgender: The person’s gender cannot be comprehended or understood due to depersonalization and derealization disorder.
    42. Collgender: Various genders are present at the same time in the individual.
    43. Colorgender: In this category, colors are used to describe gender, for example, pink gender or black gender.
    44. Commogender: The person knows that they are not cisgender yet continues to identify as one for a while.
    45. Condigender: The person feels their gender only under specific circumstances.
    46. Deliciagender: Associated with the feeling of having multiple genders but preferring one over the other.
    47. Demifluid: Having multiple genders, some fluid while others are static.
    48. Demiflux: A combination of multiple genders with some genders static, whereas others fluctuating in intensity.
    49. Demigender: The individual has partial traits of one gender and the rest of the other gender.
    50. Domgender: The individual has multiple genders with one dominating over the rest.
    51. Duragender: Having more than one gender with one lasting longer than the others.
    52. Egogender: It is a personal type of gender identified by the individual alone. It is based on the person’s experience within the self.
    53. Epicene: It is associated with a strong feeling of not being able to relate to any of the two genders of the binary gender or both of the binary gender characteristics.
    54. Esspigender: The individual relates their gender identity with spirits.
    55. Exgender: The denial to identify with any gender on the gender spectrum.
    56. Existigender: The person’s gender identity exists only when they make conscious efforts to realize it.
    57. Femfluid: The person is fluid or fluctuating regarding the feminine genders.
    58. Femgender: A nonbinary gender identity that is feminine.
    59. Fluidflux: It means to be fluid between two or more genders with a fluctuation in the intensity of those genders.
    60. Gemigender: The person has two genders that are opposite yet they flux and work together.
    61. Genderblank: It is closely related to a blank space.
    62. Genderflow: The gender identity is fluid between infinite feelings.
    63. Genderfluid: The person does not consistently adhere to one fixed gender and may have many genders.
    64. Genderfuzz: More than one gender is blurred together.
    65. Genderflux: The gender fluctuates in intensity.
    66. Genderpuck: The person resists to fit in societal norms concerning genders.
    67. Genderqueer: The individual blurs the preconceived boundaries of gender in relation to the gender binary or having just one gender type.
    68. Gender witched: The person is inclined toward the notion of having one gender but does not know which.
    69. Girlflux: The individual identifies themselves as a female but with varying intensities of female identities.
    70. Healgender: A gender identity that gives the person peace, calm, and positivity.
    71. Mirrorgender: Changing one's gender type based on the people surrounding.
    72. Omnigender: Having or experiencing all genders.
  • Foxtrot22024Foxtrot22024 44 Pts   -  
    @Joeseph, this debate was a dumb post I made after an argument with a friend I had. I don't even know what to think anymore... 
    Joeseph
  • JoesephJoeseph 1534 Pts   -  
    @Foxtrot22024


    this debate was a dumb post I made after an argument with a friend I had. I don't even know what to think anymore... 


    It's all good , no worries.
    Foxtrot22024
  • Jules1Jules1 79 Pts   -  
    @Joeseph
    You just showed different versions of being gender fluid or xenogenders, which I support. Most xenogenders describe feelings toward gender, and are not meant to be a standalone identity. Genderfluid is just going with the flow when it comes to gender, I don't see the problem with it.
  • JoesephJoeseph 1534 Pts   -  
    @Jules1


    Right so identifying as Astralgender you're fine with yet if one identifies as a rat you say  ....Identifying as a rat is a falsehood weaponized by homophobes...

    Do explain as  you admit you accept Astralgender but  not someone who identifies as a rat as you stipulated.....I am simply saying that there is next to no one who actually identifies as one.....so using your criteria those identifying as Astralgender are  homophobes right?


    BTW the OP has admitted his mistake in posting up,  your position is lost time to move on.
  • Jules1Jules1 79 Pts   -  
    @Joeseph
    Being a rat is different than having a feeling about your gender. They are not even close to similar. I agree about stopping the debate here, I really dislike speaking about gender here considering it eventually gets jumped by Rickey or Bogan. 
    Foxtrot22024
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