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The primitive thinking JUDEO-Christian bible says a Christmas tree is the way of the HEATHEN as described biblically herewith:
“Hear ye the word which the Lord speaketh unto you, O house of Israel: Thus saith the Lord, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them. For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe.
They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not. They are upright as the palm tree, but speak not: they must needs be borne, because they cannot go. Be not afraid of them; for they cannot do evil, neither also is it in them to do good.” (Jeremiah 10:1-5)
Pseudo-christians, deducing it down to its irreducible primary, what do you pay homage to when you have a Christmas Tree? The impetus for the tree is your brutal serial killer Jesus, and his alleged birthday!
Therefore, Jesus’ words say that this HEATHEN TREE becomes an "idol" of homage as it sits there being a fire hazard, where pseudo-christians are not to have idols (1 John, 5:21). The Xmas tree is also a graven image that pseudo-christians are to stay away from as well (Exodus 2:4). Either way, pseudo-christians go directly against their Jesus as god by having a HEATHEN XMAS TREE in their homes at Christmas!
Besides, the HEATHEN Christmas tree are derived from man, therefore Jesus as god is very specific about not following the traditions of men! (Mark 7:8, Mat. 15:3, Mark 7:13, Col. 2:8, Gal. 4:3, John 7:17, Titus 1:9, Rom. 8:14-16.)
AT CHRISTMAS TIME, NO HEATHEN CHRISTMAS TREES FOR PSEUDO-CHRISTIANS, SO SAITH THE WORD OF THE SERIAL KILLER GOD JESUS!
Here is an example of the mythical Jesus that has had enough of pseudo-christians having a HEATHEN XMAS TREE in their homes, where he lit this tree with fire to make his point in Jeremiah 10:1-5 shown above!
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If Christians worship a pagan god with trees as idols then the Christians are hypocrites.
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YOUR QUOTE OUT OF CONTEXT TO THE TOPIC: "If Christians worship a pagan god with trees as idols then the Christians are hypocrites."
Uh, the topic is that if pseudo-christians like YOU have a Xmas Tree, then you are HEATHENS so saith your serial killer Jesus! Get it Bible DUNCE?!
Take a deep breath, exhale, and read my initial post again to understand its true meaning!
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LOL!!! Trying to troll the yuletide carol, eh? What silliness! A Christmas tree is not an idol of worship. It is a symbol that reminds us of how the Christ child is our 'tree of life'.
The modern Christmas tree tradition originates from Germany in the 16th century, when devout Christians began bringing decorated trees into their homes for the Christmas season. The "paradise tree," which represented the Garden of Eden, became a focal point of Christmas celebrations. This tree was adorned with wafers and later replaced by cookies and candles, representing the light of Christ. It originally carried the connotation as a 'new tree of life' - symbolizing the eternal life that the Christ child would provide through his death and resurrection.
Think of it as a symbol in the same sense as the stones that the Israelites erected to remind them of God's blessings. To help your Biblical ignorance, here is my AI's response:
So you are competing with 1/4inchworm Joe for the one who knows the least about the Bible? At the rate you are going, you might win. But know that dumbness is the only thing that @Joeseph always measures bigger than everyone else in.
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Just_LYING, who wants Rickeys notoriety is being the number one BIBLE FOOL!
I'll start with this proposition first regarding your bible stoopidity. What part of the term "HEATHEN" don't you understand in Jeremiah 10:1-5 when it can refer to a dumbfounded pseudo-christian like YOU if you cut a tree down and bring it in the house and decorate it?!
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Seems straight forward to me. I know you hate that because things written with such obvious literal implications are harder for you to spin. But none the less 21Century accurately used the scripture from Jerimiah 10:1-5 and correctly interpreted it as the author had obviously intended. "Don't adorn trees as the heathen do in winter, that's idolatry" warns the elf god prophet. Centuries later German christians doing what they do best; saw a heathen tradition being practiced that their bibles warn them about but instead of answering the call of their elf god that they're supposed to revere, they decide they want to have that heathen traditional too; and just call it "in the name of Jesus" we highjack and steal this heathen tradition for winter solstice as our own. Despite their own elf book waning them. Your problem just_lyin is you always depend on circular logic of indoctrination when you're trying to talk to people who use critical thought and education.
https://www.zmescience.com/science/history-articles/origin-christmas-tree-pagan/#:~:text=Like most Christmas traditions, including,Christmas tree is entirely pagan.
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So you are competing with 1/4inchworm Joe for the one who knows the least about the Bible?
Bwahahahahahawahahaha the Pentecostal virgin Just Lying is still obsessing about his miniscule size which is still in its wrapper.
You're only back after licking your wounds after your last schooling on the bible.
At the rate you are going, you might win.
Winning is a alien concept to you,
But know that dumbness is the only thing that @Joeseph always measures bigger than everyone else in.
Says Just Lying the retard who pretends to talk in tounges and claims the earth is 6,000 years old ......now that's truly dumb.
Hey don't take it out on us that god took the ole sinner your ole man , maybe pray from him to find your car keys instead apparently he's Ace at that.
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@21CenturyIconoclast
Thing is, Christians took a significant pagan solstice festival and made it their own.
It is thought that the character known as Jesus was likely born in September, some 4 to 6 years BCE.
And then we have Easter during the spring equinox period, hence more pagan symbolism.
For me, the celestial solar orbit of the Earth is far more worthy of my appreciation than a misrepresented Middle Eastern folk tale is.
So I will off to the spruce wood, adorn myself with holly and mistletoe and dance naked around the yule log with Poly.
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This is going to sting. There were pagan traditions of trees. However, to claim that Christmas is pagan is false. Its not that Christianity 'borrowed' pagan traditions because they liked paganism. It is much more brutal than that. Christianity took pagan symbols, by conquering pagans, then stripped their customs meanings of all of their pagan jargon, and made them their own. They crushed pagan culture and made it meaningless, and replaced their meaning with Christian themes. They didn't embrace paganism - they obliterated it. They don't call it a pagan tree now do they?
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Everything you said is historically correct at the pseudo-christians embarrassing expense relative to their mythical Christianity that they "try" and defend it in the 21st Century of Science and reason!
The mythical Christian ruse continues into the 21st Century.
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So, at least civilization has moved on from celebrating spiritual things. People want to keep it real.
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When someone walks under the mistletoe all you need to do is give them a kiss. You don't need to take off your clothes. But if you want to take it all the way, then good for you. At least it will keep you warm
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Jesus did not say what you falsely claimed He said.
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I told you it was a trigger warning message of truth.
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These "Christians" you claim "kill children for sport," if they do exist, cannot possibly be Christians God smiles down upon with His blessing.
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I remember what I posted alright, and I remember that you posted something about being naked. So, which were you, drunk or high? Or both?
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@polytheistwitch
So, I'm interested in the mistletoe thing.
And, Mid Wales is also not conducive to outdoor nakedness this time of year....But it doesn't hurt to dream.
And for sure, Judeo-Christians would also be aware of the significance of solar, lunar and astral activity and associated seasonal consequences.
And of course, the need to work old paganism into their new magic men hypotheses.
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Christmas time is that special time of the year when people like tounge talking Penticostal like , @just_sayin and Calvanist @marke go to church and congratulate each other on being " model christians ", they will speak of charity , tolerance and the christian message of offering shelter and food to those in need, this charade lasts once the service is on , once they leave church it's back to business as in detesting those who seek but cannot afford shelter , food , healthcare ......
If Mary and Joesph knocked on Just Lying or Markes door seeking assistance they would set the dogs on them and call the police ......
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Allowing undocumented immigrants to traffic drugs and human slaves across the US border while being paid by the US government to live employment-free is not compassion in any stretch of the imagination.
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Allowing undocumented immigrants to traffic drugs and human slaves across the US border while being paid by the US government to live employment-free is not compassion in any stretch of the imagination.
But I haven't mentioned them , I'm talking about those on low wages in the US you know the ones you and Just Lying say shouldn't get afforadale health care , subsidised housing and who you both think shouldn't get a decent living wage for their labours?
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Now I did not claim that there are not any pagans around today. I am saying that many of their customs would not be recognized. For example, if you walked into Walmart and asked for your yule tree, the employee would either tell you they don't have them, or say that if they do, they will be in the Christmas tree selection. Sure some pagans still exist - possibly on college campuses, maybe in the same section that furries and Jedi LARPers hang out, but just not as popular or as highly thought of.
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Jesus never made provisions for the state to collect taxes from Christians to redistribute to others the state deemed worthy of the unearned monetary gifts.
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Jesus never made provisions for the state to collect taxes from Christians to redistribute to others the state deemed worthy of the unearned monetary gifts
What part of Christianity do you follow you raging hypocrite? Here are just a few bible verses you and other Christians like Just Lying totally ignore , maybe Jesus exempted you and Just Lying from following his teachings?
If anyone has material possessions and sees a brother or sister in need but has no pity on them, how can the love of God be in that person?
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If anyone has material possessions and sees a brother or sister in need but has no pity on them, how can the love of God be in that person?
Biblical statements are not to be wrongfully interpreted. For example, such an interpretation as yours condemns every democrat Christian in the US for not selling off their possessions to send the money to poor Haitians. Why do democrat Christians not empty their fat bank accounts to give away all their wealth to those less fortunate than themselves? Because even democrat Christians know God is not intending the Biblical teaching to be twisted into erroneous wild interpretations and applications.
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A ton of Christian mythology is based on the Greek and Roman pagan system. The fact that Christ is a demigod is totally based on Roman mythology and has nothing to do with Judaism.
Sigh. The Jewish people of Jesus' day would argue about the smallest issue of the law, even down to tithing spice. They kept a kosher diet. They would not eat with Gentiles for concern of adopting their religious practices. They would not eat meat that had been offered to idols. They would engage in ritualistic cleansing if they touched anything unclean. It is the apex of ignorance of Jewish beliefs and traditions to think they would embrace or copy other religious beliefs in any way. They were distinctly monotheistic in that culture.
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It seems evident to me that you missed the obvious in all of the Bible verses you cite. They are all about personal responsibility in helping those in need, not delegating that responsibility to the government as a substitute for personal service. Your verses prove @marke right.
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Right , so what's your interpretation of this .....If anyone has material possessions and sees a brother or sister in need but has no pity on them, how can the love of God be in that person?
. For example, such an interpretation as yours condemns every democrat Christian in the US for not selling off their possessions to send the money to poor Haitians
And every Republican unless you were the only one who sold of his property , well did you?
. Why do democrat Christians not empty their fat bank accounts to give away all their wealth to those less fortunate than themselves?
Because they claim to follow Jesus like you and just lying but totally ignore what he said,
Because even democrat Christians know God is not intending the Biblical teaching to be twisted into erroneous wild interpretations and applications.
So tell me how I'm twisting .....If anyone has material possessions and sees a brother or sister in need but has no pity on them, how can the love of God be in that person?
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ARGUMENT TOPIC : It's truly remarkable that I'm being attacked by you and Marke for praising Jesus for his charitable outlook on the poor of course he exempted American Republicans from his radical ways .....right?
It seems evident to me that you missed the obvious in all of the Bible verses you cite
OK tell me what I missed here ........ Also " render onto Caeser what is his " is a reference to paying your taxes which one would presume a so called christian governent would include provisio n for the poor.
If anyone has material possessions and sees a brother or sister in need but has no pity on them, how can the love of God be in that person?
They are all about personal responsibility in helping those in need, not delegating that responsibility to the government as a substitute for personal service.
So tell me how me how you and Marke follow the teachings of Jesus , you both resist minimun wage , affordable healthcare / education , subsidised housing etc , etc as you both believe the poor are unworthy of a living wage, right?
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YOUR QUOTE OF SUBSTANCE: "What do you call Jews who have Christmas trees?? Or, God forbid, us atheists who have Christmas trees?? Whaddya call us?"
Well, it seems that any TRUE JEW to his faith wouldn't be caught dead in celebrating Christmas that represents Jesus that they don't accept, because in essence, Christians stole their god Yahweh from the Jews and made him into Jesus, where if you think about it logically, the Jews according to pseudo-christians, don't have a god anymore! Besides, the Jews have their primitive celebration of Hanukkah to contend with.
For Atheists, that easily outright own pseudo-christians and their Christianity as blatantly shown within this Religion Forum, they do it through "Tradition" of exchanging gifts, and especially for their children, and where would Santa Clause be if there was no Heathen Christmas celebration?!
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Just_LYING, who wants Rickeys notoriety is being the number one BIBLE FOOL!
What happened? I answered your post to me, whereas, you couldn't find another deceiving Apologetic Book to use to at least "try" and answer my post in return where I made you the pseudo-christian fool again? Whereas, you have been RUNNING AWAY from said post shown in the link below since I posted it it to you! SCARED AGAIN? Huh?
https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/199439/#Comment_199439
Just_LYING, I haven't even started to easily Bible Slap you Silly®️ in my threads topic, therefore put down your talking in tongues, handling snakes, and the other comical situations of your Pentecostal faith, and address the post in the link above.
Oh, I have been meaning to ask you if this following woman in the video below in the link, is your wife or girlfriend in being a Pentecostal like you are, where she is speaking in tongues? What a wonderful faith to belong to in your case, that easily makes you look mentally deranged!!! LOL!
https://www.tiktok.com/@ltpptv/video/7211876807711247662 ..... (click sound icon to "on")
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Oh, I have been meaning to ask you if this following woman in the video below is your wife or girlfriend in being a Pentecostal like you are, where she is speaking on tongues?
Just Lying is a Penticostal virgin obsessed with male d-ck sizes , Jesus would hate him
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JOESEPH; YOUR REVEALING QUOTE WHERE "JUST_LYING" WILL BE GOING TO HELL UPON HIS DEMISE!: "Just Lying is a Penticostal virgin obsessed with male d-ck sizes , Jesus would hate him."
Jesus will not only hate him, but he will be sending this deranged Pentecostal "Just_LYING" to hell upon his earthly demise, praise Jesus' revenge upon the sexually immoral!
"Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God." (1 Corinthians 6:9-10)
Here is an image of the deranged "speaking in tongues" Pentecostal "Just-LYING" subsequent to Jesus springing open the trap door to Hell at the Pearly Gates in his behalf for being sexually immoral!
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Here is an image of the deranged "speaking in tongues" Pentecostal "Just-LYING" subsequent to Jesus springing open the trap door to Hell at the Pearly Gates in his behalf for being sexually immoral!
Divine justice wouldn't you say ?....." as he sows so shall he reap " .......
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Here is an image of the deranged "speaking in tongues" Pentecostal "Just-LYING" subsequent to Jesus springing open the trap door to Hell at the Pearly Gates in his behalf for being sexually immoral!
The wicked have strange imaginations.
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ARGUMENT TOPIC : Just Lying and Marke run a mile from my question........So tell me how me how you follow the teachings of Jesus , you resist minimun wage , affordable healthcare / education , subsidised housing etc , etc as you both believe the poor are unworthy of a living wage, right?
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..So tell me how me how you follow the teachings of Jesus , you resist minimun wage , affordable healthcare / education , subsidised housing etc , etc as you both believe the poor are unworthy of a living wage, right?
Jesus does not explain how Christians can move their government to pay the expensive needs of the poor if the government does not have enough money to cover those costs. I suspect that not many officials in the US government want any advice about spending from Christian conservatives.
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Jesus does not explain how Christians can move their government to pay the expensive needs of the poor if the government does not have enough money to cover those costs
Well actually he does Jesus mentioned the rich selling their wealth and giving to the poor , did you ever read a bible you imbecile?
You previously said that Trump and his government were christians right? It seems they are like you as in they totally ignore the teachings of christ.
. I suspect that not many officials in the US government want any advice about spending from Christian conservatives.
Yet you claim your government is a christian one , you're all the same mealy mouthed hypocrites who detest the poor , don't forget to pretend to care about the poor and homeless this Christmas and pat each other on the back for being followers of christ , if Jesus and Mary knocked on your door looking for shelter you would turn the dogs on them.
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Well actually he does Jesus mentioned the rich selling their wealth and giving to the poor , did you ever read a bible you imbecile?
How much of your wealth and assets do you think Jesus is telling you to liquidate and give to the poor, or do you think Jesus was only asking Christians to sell everything and give all their assets to the poor? If so, why would God not also want the unregenerate to do the same thing?
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