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marke

@Stephen
You show an abysmal lack of understanding of God and the Bible.

Stephen

marke said:

@Stephen
You show an abysmal lack of understanding of God and the Bible.

That is not argument, that is a statement... about me.

just_sayin

@Stephen
" He [Jesus the Jew ] will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his father David, and he will reign over Jacob’s descendants forever; his kingdom will never end.”

Luke's gospel is generally dated at 70 - 90 AD.  I think it is earlier because in the sequel - Acts, Paul is not dead at the end of that book, suggesting that he had not died before it was written.  Anyways, Luke is writing to a primarily non-Jewish audience, so he doesn't do as many Old Testament references as Matthew, who is writing primarily to a Jewish audience.  The statement in Luke is true as far as Christian theology goes.  Jesus did sit down at the right hand of God in heaven (see Acts) and was the Messiah of the Jews.  His kingdom is an eternal one, where both Jacob's descendants and anyone else who puts their trust in him go.  

Stephen

Stephen said: " He [Jesus the Jew ] will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his father David, and he will reign over Jacob’s descendants forever; his kingdom will never end.”


just_sayin said:

@Stephen


Luke's gospel is generally dated at 70 - 90 AD.  I think it is earlier because in the sequel - Acts, Paul is not dead at the end of that book, suggesting that he had not died before it was written.  

Well, regardless of what you only "think", Paul never met Jesus . Paul was still going around murdering Christs supporters.And Luke's gospel was written well after the crucifixion.  And  non of this alters the  fact that the author of Luke's gospel had to have known that Jesus failed to achieve the promises made to his mother by god. And certainly failed to achieve anything that was expected of the Messiah to come. 

Luke and Mathew couldn't even agree on what this holy god given child's name was supposed to be if the OT prophecy is to be believed. 
Was it Jesus? or was it Immanuel?

marke

@Stephen
Well, regardless of what you only "think", Paul never met Jesus .

Paul met Jesus on the road to Damascus in a similar way that Abraham saw Jesus on Mt. Moriah.

John 8:56

Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.

Stephen

marke said:

@Stephen
Well, regardless of what you only "think", Paul never met Jesus .

Paul met Jesus on the road to Damascus in a similar way that Abraham saw Jesus on Mt. Moriah.

Nope. Paul - the that would be ll things to all men when it suited him, claims only yo have seen a vision of Jesus. while he was on the road to murder more followers of Jesus.

marke

@Stephen

Paul conversed with Jesus in person, something that most Christians have never done.

Stephen

marke said:

@Stephen

Paul conversed with Jesus in person, something that most Christians have never done.

Nope.wrong again skidmark

Paul was a self confessed .  He admits to being a to further the cause of his agenda. 
 
Romans 3:7

King James Version

7 For if the truth of God hath more abounded through my lie unto his glory; why yet am I also judged as a sinner?

just_sayin

Stephen said:

Stephen said: " He [Jesus the Jew ] will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his father David, and he will reign over Jacob’s descendants forever; his kingdom will never end.”


just_sayin said:

@Stephen


Luke's gospel is generally dated at 70 - 90 AD.  I think it is earlier because in the sequel - Acts, Paul is not dead at the end of that book, suggesting that he had not died before it was written.  

Well, regardless of what you only "think", Paul never met Jesus . Paul was still going around murdering Christs supporters.And Luke's gospel was written well after the crucifixion.  And  non of this alters the  fact that the author of Luke's gospel had to have known that Jesus failed to achieve the promises made to his mother by god. And certainly failed to achieve anything that was expected of the Messiah to come. 

Luke and Mathew couldn't even agree on what this holy god given child's name was supposed to be if the OT prophecy is to be believed. 
Was it Jesus? or was it Immanuel?

Jesus did not fail to meet the claim Luke makes.  Jesus indeed establishes a spiritual kingdom.  Now it is true that many Jews of Jesus day expected the Messiah to establish a military kingdom.  However, that is not Luke's claim.  

Stephen

just_sayin said:

Stephen said:

Stephen said: " He [Jesus the Jew ] will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his father David, and he will reign over Jacob’s descendants forever; his kingdom will never end.”


just_sayin said:

@Stephen


Luke's gospel is generally dated at 70 - 90 AD.  I think it is earlier because in the sequel - Acts, Paul is not dead at the end of that book, suggesting that he had not died before it was written.  

Well, regardless of what you only "think", Paul never met Jesus . Paul was still going around murdering Christs supporters.And Luke's gospel was written well after the crucifixion.  And  non of this alters the  fact that the author of Luke's gospel had to have known that Jesus failed to achieve the promises made to his mother by god. And certainly failed to achieve anything that was expected of the Messiah to come. 

Luke and Mathew couldn't even agree on what this holy god given child's name was supposed to be if the OT prophecy is to be believed. 
Was it Jesus? or was it Immanuel?

Jesus did not fail to meet the claim Luke makes.  Jesus indeed establishes a spiritual kingdom.  Now it is true that many Jews of Jesus day expected the Messiah to establish a military kingdom.  However, that is not Luke's claim.  

There is absolutely no mention of a spiritual kingdom in any of the four gospels. 

marke

@Stephen

God spoke to Saul (Paul) verbally on the road to Damascus.

Acts 9:5

And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.

Stephen

@marke
 That has nothing to do with your claim of Jesus' "spiritual" real. 
Look, Luke wrote his gospel after Jesus was crucified. But even with this knowledge he seems to have ignored that the promise had failed to come to fruition.
Luke 1:32-33 New International Version

  " He [Jesus the Jew ] will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his father David, and he will reign over Jacob’s descendants forever; his kingdom will never end.”
FAIL!

marke

@Stephen
 The Lord God will give him the throne of his father David, 

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Stephen

Not interested in you Al responses. 

 My point is Luke wrote his gospel after the crucifixion knowing Jesus' mission had failed.

marke

@Stephen ;
 My point is Luke wrote his gospel after the crucifixion knowing Jesus' mission had failed.

The entire New Testament was written after Jesus rose again, proving His mission had not failed.

Stephen

marke said:

@Stephen ;
 My point is Luke wrote his gospel after the crucifixion knowing Jesus' mission had failed.

The entire New Testament was written after Jesus rose again, proving His mission had not failed.

There you go again, denying what god himself predicted for his son. he didn't " inherit the throne of David" and  " his kingdom didn't last for ever" . In fact it never began.

marke

@Stephen @Stephen ;
 he didn't " inherit the throne of David" and  " his kingdom didn't last for ever" . In fact it never began.

That prophecy has not yet been fulfilled.

Stephen

marke said:

@Stephen @Stephen ;
 he didn't " inherit the throne of David" and  " his kingdom didn't last for ever" . In fact it never began.

That prophecy has not yet been fulfilled.

I see. So yell me what good has it done for those that  first spoke the prophecy and what good has it done those that were living at the time of Jesus?