God's Failed Promise Made to the Mother of Jesus

marke

@Stephen
Not a single part of this promise came to fruition. 

Nonsense.  Jesus was born of a virgin and He will return to earth to destroy the wicked and rule and reign for 1,000 years.

Revelation 20:4-6King James Version

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

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@marke

Nonsense.  Jesus was born of a virgin and He will return to earth to destroy the wicked and rule and reign for 1,000 years.

Any scientific proof of this mindless nonsense?

marke

@Factfinder

Science is powerless to prove history.

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@marke

Science is powerless to prove history.

Prove it.

Stephen

marke said:

@Stephen
Not a single part of this promise came to fruition. 

Nonsense.  Jesus was born of a virgin and He will return to earth to destroy the wicked and rule and reign for 1,000 years.

Revelation 20:4-6

King James Version4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Nope. wrong again , marke. The only thing Jesus inherited was three nails , two pieces of wood and a view overlooking the Kidron valley.

marke

@Stephen
The only thing Jesus inherited was three nails , two pieces of wood and a view overlooking the Kidron valley.

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According to the Christian faith, Jesus is the heir of all things, and Christians are co-heirs with him: 

• Jesus' inheritance

  Jesus inherited all things, including the earth, as the heir mentioned in the Abrahamic promise. He also inherited our inheritance from Adam, but was conceived by the Holy Spirit and was not born with original sin. 

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marke said:

@Stephen
The only thing Jesus inherited was three nails , two pieces of wood and a view overlooking the Kidron valley.

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According to the Christian faith, Jesus is the heir of all things, and Christians are co-heirs with him: 

• Jesus' inheritance

  Jesus inherited all things, including the earth, as the heir mentioned in the Abrahamic promise. He also inherited our inheritance from Adam, but was conceived by the Holy Spirit and was not born with original sin. 

Not according to the BIBLE. He sat on no thrown, he inherited nothing and he didn't become king of the Jews or though he may well have been.
Tell me, what was expected of the coming Messiah?

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@marke

Science is powerless to prove history.

Prove it.

I wouldn't say science is powerless, but I think it is important to recognize that they are different disciplines.  Science can confirm aspects of historical events.  Science can confirm that their was an earthquake about the time of Jesus' resurrection, for example.  From perplexity.ai:

Yes, there is some scientific evidence suggesting an earthquake occurred around the time of Jesus' resurrection, though it's important to note that the exact date and connection to the biblical account are still subjects of debate.

Geological studies of sediment cores from the Dead Sea region have revealed evidence of seismic activity that potentially aligns with the timeframe of Jesus' crucifixion and resurrection. A team of geologists, including Jefferson Williams, Markus Schwab, and Achim Brauer, analyzed sediment cores from the Ein Gedi Spa area near the Dead Sea[1][5]. Their findings, published in the International Geology Review, identified two major earthquakes:

1. A widespread earthquake in 31 B.C.

2. A seismic event occurring between 26 and 36 A.D.

The second earthquake falls within the period when Pontius Pilate was procurator of Judea, which aligns with the historical timeframe of Jesus' crucifixion[1]. Based on their analysis and additional factors such as the Jewish calendar and astronomical calculations, the researchers suggest that Friday, April 3, 33 A.D. is the most likely date for the crucifixion[1][3].

The geological evidence indicates that this earthquake was approximately magnitude 6.0 and likely caused moderate damage to Jerusalem, particularly to the western side of the Temple Mount[2]. While this evidence doesn't definitively prove the biblical account, it does provide a scientific basis for the possibility of an earthquake occurring around the time described in the Gospels.

It's worth noting that the Gospel of Matthew mentions two earthquakes: one at the crucifixion (Matthew 27:51) and another at the resurrection (Matthew 28:2)[2]. The geological evidence may correspond to either of these events, or potentially to a single event that was interpreted as two separate occurrences in the biblical narrative.

While this research offers intriguing evidence, it's important to approach these findings with caution and recognize that further study may be needed to establish a definitive link between the geological data and the biblical accounts.

Citations:

[1] https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna47555983

[2] https://gsa.confex.com/gsa/2012AM/webprogram/Paper204688.html

[3] https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/article/earthquake-evidence-may-reveal-exact-date-of-jesus-crucifixion/

[4] https://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/daily/biblical-topics/crucifixion/jesus-crucifixion-reflected-in-soil-deposition/

[5] https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/themelios/article/the-earthquakes-of-the-crucifixion-and-resurrection-of-jesus-christ/

marke

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Good post.  Archaeological evidence has rarely contradicted the Biblical record while confirming the Biblical record dozens of times.

These are results for the archaeological record confirms many biblical accounts

Search instead for the archaelogical record confirms many biblical accoiunts

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Yes, archaeology has confirmed many biblical accounts, including the existence of people, cities, and other sites: 

• People

  At least 50 people mentioned in the Bible have been confirmed by archaeological evidence. These people appear in inscriptions written during the time period described in the Bible. 
• Cities

  Many cities described in the Bible have been found through archaeology, including Israelite cities, Judean cities, and cities from other regions. 
• Sites

  Many sites described in the Bible have been confirmed by archaeology, including:

  • Temple Mount: The present-day "wailing wall" in Jerusalem is a remnant of the second temple. 
  • Jesus' trial site: Ruins under the floor of an abandoned building near the Tower of David Museum appear to be the remains of Herod's palace, the site of Jesus' trial. 
  • Pool of Siloam: A first-century ritual pool was discovered near the mouth of Hezekiah's tunnel, which is the pool where Jesus healed the blind man. 
• Other discoveries

  Other archaeological discoveries that confirm the Bible include a Latin inscription mentioning Pontius Pilate, a fishing boat discovered near the Sea of Galilee, and a house in Nazareth with pottery shards dated to between 100 BCE and 100 CE. 

Some say that archaeology can provide insights where biblical historiography cannot. Others say that archaeology has never contradicted aspects of the Bible that can be corroborated by archaeology.

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@marke@just_sayin

Two meaningless posts back to back. 

Here, let's add another one...

ChatGPT The bible says the sun was created after the earth, does science agree?

The biblical narrative of creation in Genesis 1 describes the Earth as being formed before the Sun, which is not consistent with the scientific understanding of the formation of the solar system. Here's a comparison of the two perspectives:

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1. The Biblical Sequence (Genesis 1)

In the Genesis account:

• Day 1: Light is created, and day and night are established (Genesis 1:3-5).
• Day 2: The firmament (sky) is created (Genesis 1:6-8).
• Day 3: Dry land, seas, and vegetation appear (Genesis 1:9-13).
• Day 4: The Sun, Moon, and stars are created to govern day and night and mark seasons, days, and years (Genesis 1:14-19).

This sequence places the creation of the Earth and vegetation before the Sun, Moon, and stars.

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2. The Scientific Perspective

According to modern science:

• The Sun formed first, approximately 4.6 billion years ago, from a collapsing cloud of gas and dust in the Milky Way galaxy.
• The planets, including Earth, formed from the remaining material in the protoplanetary disk surrounding the young Sun. Earth formed about 4.5 billion years ago.
• The presence of the Sun's heat and light was critical for the development of Earth's atmosphere, climate, and eventually, life.

This sequence places the Sun before the Earth, contradicting the Genesis order if taken literally.

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3. Reconciling the Two Perspectives

For those seeking harmony between the Bible and science, several interpretative approaches have been proposed:

Symbolic or Theological Interpretation

• Some view the Genesis creation account as a poetic or theological narrative rather than a literal description of events. Its primary purpose is to convey truths about God as the Creator, the order of creation, and humanity's place in the universe, rather than scientific details.

Framework Hypothesis

• This interpretation suggests the six "days" of creation are not chronological but a literary structure emphasizing God's purposeful ordering of creation.

Appearance of Light Before the Sun

• Some interpret the "light" of Day 1 as a divine light or an unspecified light source that predates the formation of the Sun. This interpretation allows for a non-literal understanding of the sequence.

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4. Scientific Implications

From a strictly scientific standpoint, the Sun's formation precedes that of the Earth. The Sun's gravitational influence and energy were essential for the coalescence of matter into planets and for sustaining life on Earth.

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Conclusion

Science does not agree with the Genesis account if the narrative is interpreted literally regarding the sequence of the Sun and Earth's creation. However, many theologians and believers view the Genesis creation account as symbolic or theological, focusing on its spiritual and moral messages rather than its alignment with modern scientific understanding. The compatibility between the two perspectives often depends on how one interprets the biblical text.

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marke

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ChatGPT The bible says the sun was created after the earth, does science agree?

God created the earth on day 1.

Genesis 1King James Version

1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.

5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

Although God had created light in the heaven on the first day He specifically created the sun and moon on the fourth day.

14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:

15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.

16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.

17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,

18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.

19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

Humans cannot possibly disprove the Biblical record because they cannot possibly know the exact timing of the order of creation and because God does not lie.

Stephen

It matters no what chat gp says . skidmark.

Jesus inherited nothing of those things promised to his mother. 

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@marke

Nonsense.  Jesus was born of a virgin 

That is nonsense as it has been refuted within the pages of your own bible. And you know it cause you had no refutation to offer in the way of rationale adult debate. Try reading the scriptures one day.

marke

@Stephen
 Jesus inherited nothing of those things promised to his mother. 

You are right to perceive that Jesus has not yet returned to Jerusalem to judge His enemies and establish His eternal rule over all the earth.

Stephen

marke said:

@Stephen
 Jesus inherited nothing of those things promised to his mother. 

You are right to perceive that Jesus has not yet returned to Jerusalem to judge His enemies and establish His eternal rule over all the earth.

And you have the brass bollocks to tell us that you " have studied the BIBLE for over 50 years"  yet simply cannot face the BIBLICAL fact  that, like all the claimed messiah' before him, Jesus'  mission failed as did the promise by god made to his mother Mary.

It appears then that god can continually break his promises  while no one else can.  Have you forgotten the vile story of  and what happened to his poor virgin daughter after he had made a promise?
Judges 11:30-40
30 And Jephthah made a vow to the Lord: “If you give the Ammonites into my hands, 31 whatever comes out of the door of my house to meet me when I return in triumph from the Ammonites will be the Lord’s, and I will sacrifice it as a burnt offering.” [...........]

 34 When Jephthah returned to his home in Mizpah, who should come out to meet him but his daughter, dancing to the sound of timbrels! She was an only child. Except for her he had neither son nor daughter. 35 When he saw her, he tore his clothes and cried, “Oh no, my daughter! You have brought me down and I am devastated. I have made a vow to the Lord that I cannot break.”

Tell me skidmark, what happened to Jephthah's ONLY virgin daughter?

marke

@Stephen
  Tell me skidmark, what happened to Jephthah's ONLY virgin daughter?

Jepthah made a foolish vow and then apparently killed his daughter.  That was Jepthah, not God.  Jepthah no doubt feared breaking his foolish vow after he made it and I sympathize with him for honoring his vow even though it cost him and his daughter agreat deal.  I don't believe the Lord supported Jepthah's vow or his method of honoring the vow.
Numbers 30:2

If a man vow a vow unto the Lord, or swear an oath to bind his soul with a bond; he shall not break his word, he shall do according to all that proceedeth out of his mouth.

Stephen

Stephen said:

marke said:

@Stephen
 Jesus inherited nothing of those things promised to his mother. 

You are right to perceive that Jesus has not yet returned to Jerusalem to judge His enemies and establish His eternal rule over all the earth.

And you have the brass bollocks to tell us that you " have studied the BIBLE for over 50 years"  yet simply cannot face the BIBLICAL fact  that, like all the claimed messiah' before him, Jesus'  mission failed as did the promise by god made to his mother Mary.

It appears then that god can continually break his promises  while no one else can. 

marke said:

@Stephen
  

Jepthah made a foolish vow and then apparently killed his daughter. 

As I said , god can continually break his promises as he did with the Virgin Mary but anyone else will suffer 9in this case) the loss of a child should they fail to keep theirs. 

marke

@Stephen ;
As I said , god can continually break his promises as he did with the Virgin Mary

You are deluded if you think God breaks His promises.

Stephen

marke said:

@Stephen ;
As I said , god can continually break his promises as he did with the Virgin Mary

You are deluded if you think God breaks His promises.

I have asked you tree times now:

What are the requirements of the expected Messiah?

marke

@Stephen
What are the requirements of the expected Messiah?

Here is what the Messiah requires:


Micah 6:8

He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the Lord require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God?

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@marke

You are deluded if you think God breaks His promises.

You are deluded if you think god exists to make promises. That's why you cry when you can't produce evidence of your imaginary elf god. 

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marke said:

@Stephen
What are the requirements of the expected Messiah?

Here is what the Messiah requires:


Micah 6:8

He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the Lord require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God?

So faith plus works is the legalistic requirements for an imagined god? Why do you run around making a fool of yourself with your scientific and biblical illiteracy then? Just blindly believe like you're supposed to, give your elf god credit for good and take the blame for the bad like your elf fairytale commands of you.

Stephen

marke said:

@Stephen
I have asked you three times now: What are the requirements of the expected Messiah?

Here is what the Messiah requires:


Micah 6:8

He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the Lord require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God?

So you don't have fkn clue, do you? I didn't ask you  "what the Messiah requires" you clown!
I shall rephrase it for your low understanding:
What is the criteria for one to be accepted as the Messiah?

marke

@Stephen
  What is the criteria for one to be accepted as the Messiah?

The Bible prophesied of Jesus' birth, his life, His death and resurrection, and His future reign.  Those fulfilled prophecies are proof that He is who He claimed to be.


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According to scholars, Jesus fulfilled between 300 and 570 Old Testament prophecies. Some of the prophecies that Jesus fulfilled include: 

• Lineage: Jesus was from the line of Jacob and the family of Jesse
• Birthplace: Jesus was born in Bethlehem
• Kingship: Jesus was David's kingly heir
• Virgin birth: Jesus was born of a virgin
• Ascension: Jesus ascended to heaven
• New covenant: Jesus fulfilled the new covenant promised in the Old Testament

Other prophecies that Jesus fulfilled include: 

• He would bruise Satan's head
• He would be a priest after Melchizedek
• He would appear after the rebuilding of Jerusalem
• He would appear before the destruction of Jerusalem by the Romans

21CenturyIconoclast

@marke

MARKE; YOUR BIBLE DUMB ASSS QUOTES TO PROVE JESUS FULFILLED PROPHECIES, NOT!:  

• Lineage: Jesus was from the line of Jacob and the family of Jesse

Your serial killer Jesus was NOT born through Jacob, as the Messiah had to be through the blood line of King David, understood BIBLE DOLT?!

1. This is simply because Mary was a LEVITE and not from the House of David as the Bible states for Jesus to be the Messiah!
2. Jesus was his own father and son of the whore Mary in the incestual act of Jesus through his "Spirit" impregnating his own mother, ewwwwww!
3. The Hebrew lineage is always thought the father,  and since Joseph was Jesus' stepfather, Josephs linage through King David doesn't count!

Now if you need references to the biblical FACTS shown above, then it blatantly shows in how totally BIBLE STOOPIED you are within this forum! ... LOL!



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Stephen

marke said:

@Stephen
  What is the criteria for one to be accepted as the Messiah?

The Bible prophesied of Jesus' birth, his life, His death and resurrection, and His future reign.  Those fulfilled prophecies are proof that He is who He claimed to be.


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According to scholars, Jesus fulfilled between 300 and 570 Old Testament prophecies. Some of the prophecies that Jesus fulfilled include: 

• Lineage: Jesus was from the line of Jacob and the family of Jesse
• Birthplace: Jesus was born in Bethlehem
• Kingship: Jesus was David's kingly heir
• Virgin birth: Jesus was born of a virgin
• Ascension: Jesus ascended to heaven
• New covenant: Jesus fulfilled the new covenant promised in the Old Testament

Other prophecies that Jesus fulfilled include: 

• He would bruise Satan's head
• He would be a priest after Melchizedek
• He would appear after the rebuilding of Jerusalem
• He would appear before the destruction of Jerusalem by the Romans

Well you spent a very long time searching for an answer....only to be WRONG AGAIN!!!!!

marke

@21CenturyIconoclast ;
 Your serial killer Jesus was NOT born through Jacob, as the Messiah had to be through the blood line of King David, understood BIBLE DOLT?!

You should stop falsely labeling your Lord a serial killer.  Both of Jesus' earthly parents were descendants of King David.

marke

@Stephen
  Well you spent a very long time searching for an answer....only to be WRONG AGAIN!!!!!

I did spend some time on the posts about the Berezovka mammoth but other than that I don't think I spent much time on any other post.

Stephen

@marke Here is another promise  that god has broken. 
Genesis 17:7 KJV.  And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant.

But it turns out that he was breaking and  making covenants with other "religions.". 

marke

@Stephen ; 
Genesis 17:7 KJV.  And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant.

God has never broken His word.

Stephen

marke said:

@Stephen ; 
Genesis 17:7 KJV.  And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant.

God has never broken His word.

So how many "new" covenants has god made since his covenant with Abraham?