What Kind of Mother Was Mary?

just_sayin

Stephen said:

What kind of mother would go joyously bounding off in jubilation and excitement to tell her cousin the good news that she was going to have a baby from god that was going to be hunted down, betrayed and arrested and put on trial  and then beaten senseless and then nailed to a cross to die an agonising death? 

And what kind of Mother would lose her holy god- given charge for four whole days and didn't even notice him missing at all for the first  whole day?

From Perplexity.ai:

There are several reasons why it took Mary and Joseph a full day to realize Jesus was not with them:

## Travel Customs

1. Large group travel: Families typically traveled in large caravans for safety, with relatives and friends[2][8]. 

2. Gender separation: Men and women often traveled separately, with children moving between groups[2][8]. This made it harder to keep track of individuals.

3. Age considerations: At 12, Jesus was nearly considered an adult in Jewish culture, so His parents likely granted Him more independence[9].

## Assumptions and Trust

1. Parental assumptions: Mary and Joseph assumed Jesus was somewhere in their traveling group[1][8].

2. Trust in Jesus: As a sinless child, Jesus had likely never given His parents reason to doubt His reliability[9].

3. Cultural expectations: It was customary for children to be watched over by the entire group[4].

## Journey Logistics

1. Day's travel: The group had already traveled a full day before stopping to reunite families[1][7].

2. Distance covered: The journey from Jerusalem to Nazareth was about 65-91 miles, typically taking several days[8][10].

3. Busy environment: With large crowds leaving Jerusalem after Passover, it would have been chaotic and easy to lose track of individuals[4].

## Divine Purpose

Some interpretations suggest that God may have allowed this separation for a specific purpose, as it led to Jesus' important interaction with the teachers in the temple[10].

This combination of cultural norms, travel practices, and circumstances contributed to the delay in Mary and Joseph realizing Jesus was not with them.

Citations:

[1] https://www.bible.com/bible/compare/LUK.2.43-51

[2] https://grace.allpurposeguru.com/2020/07/joseph-and-mary-in-jerusalem-leaving-jesus-behind/

[3] https://discussions.godandscience.org/viewtopic.php?t=35839

[4] https://www.workingpreacher.org/commentaries/revised-common-lectionary/first-sunday-of-christmas-3/commentary-on-luke-241-52-4

[5] https://www.workingpreacher.org/commentaries/revised-common-lectionary/first-sunday-of-christmas-3/commentary-on-luke-241-52

[6] https://community.logos.com/forums/p/98229/679223.aspx

[7] https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+2:41-52&version=GW

[8] https://christianity.stackexchange.com/questions/73709/why-did-joseph-and-mary-take-one-days-time-to-realize-that-jesus-had-been-left

[9] https://www.bibleref.com/Luke/2/Luke-2-43.html

[10] https://authorryanc.com/2018/12/21/the-time-joseph-mary-lost-jesus/

Stephen

just_sayin said:

Stephen said:

What kind of mother would go joyously bounding off in jubilation and excitement to tell her cousin the good news that she was going to have a baby from god that was going to be hunted down, betrayed and arrested and put on trial  and then beaten senseless and then nailed to a cross to die an agonising death? 

And what kind of Mother would lose her holy god- given charge for four whole days and didn't even notice him missing at all for the first  whole day?

From Perplexity.ai:

There are several reasons why it took Mary and Joseph a full day to realize Jesus was not with them:

Don't make me laugh.
 Can you understand this women's excitement and jubilation at being told that she was to give birth to gods son that would be hunted down, betrayed and arrested and put on trial  and then beaten senseless and then nailed to a cross to die an agonising death? because I can't. 
 Don't you think that this was  a cruel and deceitful promise to make to a mother while keeping from her the truth of her sons cruel torturous demise at such a young at age? How could god get so much wrong.?
As for losing her precious holy charge a gift from god himself no less for 4 whole days, had she forgot that this was a son of god that she had given birth to a heir to the throne that she been  given the responsibility  for.

21CenturyIconoclast

@Stephen



Stephen,

In your post regarding the WHORE MARY, the pseudo-christian crowd have to accept this story of not only an alleged "Virgin Birth," but also the fact that Jesus, through his "Spirit," celestially and INCESTUALLY impregnated his own mother, not only to be her son, but his own father as well which again proves that Jesus is NOT THE MESSIAH!  (Do the simple math)

As if the above wasn't embarrassing enough to the rational thinking Atheist, which does not include pseudo-christians, Jesus also became a bastard child in true Hebrew tradition because his step-father Joseph was not his paternal father!!!  Duh!

This comical narrative gets worse, where poor Joseph was so embarrassed over his incestual whore wife Mary and her unheard of virgin birth scenario, he quietly was thinking to divorce the slut Mary as shown herewith:  "Because Joseph her husband was a righteous man and did not want to expose her to public disgrace, he had in mind to divorce her quietly" (Matthew 1:19) 

There are other embarrassing biblical propositions to this narrative, but to not embarrass too many bible inept pseudo-christians at this juncture, I'll stop at this point, where they can thank me later.


CHRISTIANITY, MORE LAUGHABLE THAN SATURDAY NIGHT LIVE ON TV! .... LOL!





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marke

@Stephen
And what kind of Mother would lose her holy god- given charge for four whole days and didn't even notice him missing at all for the first  whole day?

Unlike the immoral ungodly commoner, Mary was a godly mother.

21CenturyIconoclast

@marke

Marke, barring the FACT that you cannot address my posts in my thread of " Bible Deplorable Morality," are you to SCARED AGAIN to address my post showing the whore Mary's true modus operandi in the link below?
https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/200861/#Comment_200861

And you want to call yourself a Christian if you can't defend the whore Mary? NOT! .... LOL!


Can another pseudo-christian as bible dumb as "Marke" help him out in the above situations?  Pleeeeeeese!









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Barnardot

@Stephen @marke @just_sayin There was no doubt, based on the circumstances, that Mary was a total bi*tch.

She was raped by God and probably didn't want the baby any way. And Joseph probably resented Jesus since Jesus was not his biological son. 
So, is it any wonder that the Bible conveniently left out Jesus's upbringing because it would have been ugly. Mary probably did drugs like hemlock daily and Joseph would have beaten the crap out of Jesus daily. 
So, Jesus had a dysfunctional upbringing and no doubt got bullied at school and taunted because of his bed-wetting.

It seems he didn't graduate and just bummed around looking like a hippie doing odd jobs as a builders laborer and running off to go fishing every other day.
Then of course, just like his contemporaries, Jones and Koresh, Christ starts a cult claiming he is the son of God. Koresh took 69 people down with him and Jones took a thousand down with him. By the time the authorities eventually caught Christ it is estimated that he was responsible for the death of hundreds of thousands of his cult followers.

marke

@21CenturyIconoclast

And you want to call yourself a Christian if you can't defend the whore Mary? NOT! .... LOL!

Blasphemy can be an unpardonable sin.

Mark 3:29

But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation.

Stephen

marke said:

@Stephen
And what kind of Mother would lose her holy god- given charge for four whole days and didn't even notice him missing at all for the first  whole day?

Unlike the immoral ungodly commoner, Mary was a godly mother.

You wouldn't have thought to considering her negligence of her holy royal charge. A heir to the throne,no less.

marke

@Stephen

Humans can be cruel, unjustly finding fault with others even though they don't know all the facts.

just_sayin

Stephen said:

just_sayin said:

Stephen said:

What kind of mother would go joyously bounding off in jubilation and excitement to tell her cousin the good news that she was going to have a baby from god that was going to be hunted down, betrayed and arrested and put on trial  and then beaten senseless and then nailed to a cross to die an agonising death? 

And what kind of Mother would lose her holy god- given charge for four whole days and didn't even notice him missing at all for the first  whole day?

From Perplexity.ai:

There are several reasons why it took Mary and Joseph a full day to realize Jesus was not with them:

Don't make me laugh.
 Can you understand this women's excitement and jubilation at being told that she was to give birth to gods son that would be hunted down, betrayed and arrested and put on trial  and then beaten senseless and then nailed to a cross to die an agonising death? because I can't. 
 Don't you think that this was  a cruel and deceitful promise to make to a mother while keeping from her the truth of her sons cruel torturous demise at such a young at age? How could god get so much wrong.?
As for losing her precious holy charge a gift from god himself no less for 4 whole days, had she forgot that this was a son of god that she had given birth to a heir to the throne that she been  given the responsibility  for.

Where does it say she was told that Jesus 'would be hunted down, betrayed and arrested and put on trial and then beaten senseless and nailed to a cross to die an [agonizing] death? 

I don't think telling Mary that she was giving birth to the Messiah was cruel.   

I think the AI explained the circumstances and situation of Jesus' disappearance well.  

Stephen

@just_sayin]
Stephen said: Where does it say she was told that Jesus 'would be hunted down, betrayed and arrested and put on trial and then beaten senseless and nailed to a cross to die an [agonizing] death? 

That's my point.  Why didn't god tell his mother the whole truth, the real truth instead of telling her he would inherit David's throne and rule forever. Why did he leave out the gory details of her sons cruel demise at such a young age?

marke

@Stephen
You have an outrageous ego to assume God needs you to correct Him on how He deals with people.

Stephen

marke said:

@Stephen
You have an outrageous ego to assume God needs you to correct Him on how He deals with people.

And you are absolute shite at defending your god, your bible, and your corner. And answering questions.
Off you go now , skidmak.

marke

@Stephen

Only fools criticize Mary unjustly just like the fools who criticized the woman for annointing Jesus with an expensive oil.

Mark 14:2-4King James Version

2 But they said, Not on the feast day, lest there be an uproar of the people.

3 And being in Bethany in the house of Simon the leper, as he sat at meat, there came a woman having an alabaster box of ointment of spikenard very precious; and she brake the box, and poured it on his head.

4 And there were some that had indignation within themselves, and said, Why was this waste of the ointment made?

Stephen

marke said:

@Stephen

Only fools criticize Mary unjustly just like the fools who criticized the woman for annointing Jesus with an expensive oil.

Mark 14:4

King James Version4 And there were some that had indignation within themselves, and said, Why was this waste of the ointment made?

The woman anointing Jesus hadn't given birth to the " ONLY son of god", had she?  And the one doing the complaining was the thief Judas that was also hand picked or as you put it "called" by Jesus. Who, incidentally, did have a point, didn't he, skidmark?

marke

@Stephen

The sinner who anointed Jesus almost certainly had repented of her sins and been forgiven by Jesus.  Judas was never forgiven because he rejected Jesus and salvation because of his love for money.

Stephen

All irrelevant to this thread.  
Tell me: why didn't god tell Mary of her son's torturous demise? 

marke

@Stephen
  Tell me: why didn't god tell Mary of her son's torturous demise? 

God had His reasons for not instructing His followers in advance of all that Jesus was destined to go through to save humans from their sins.

Stephen

marke said:

@Stephen
  Tell me: why didn't god tell Mary of her son's torturous demise? 

God had His reasons for not instructing His followers in advance of all that Jesus was destined to go through to save humans from their sins.

Stop it FFS!. His mission failed miserable that ended in what has to be one of the cruellest deaths ever devised by mankind.

YOU tell us this had to happen this way to save us from our sins,but why couldn't your super duper  god simply tell us that our sins were forgiven. Why did it take such a cruel and vicious torturous death ... of his own son?

marke

@Stephen ;
 His mission failed miserable 

The devil thought he finally killed God on the cross.  How wrong the old degenerate turned out to be.

Stephen

marke said:

@Stephen ;
 His mission failed miserable 

The devil thought he finally killed God on the cross.  How wrong the old degenerate turned out to be.

So now you are telling us that "the Devil" thought he could "kill god". and it took him millennia to figure this out.
Tell me skidmark: How many other attempts did Satan have at "killing god"?

21CenturyIconoclast

@marke

MY QUOTE:  "And you want to call yourself a Christian if you can't defend the whore Mary? NOT! .... LOL!"

YOUR DUMBFOUNDED RESPONSE: "Blasphemy can be an unpardonable sin."

What has your dumbfounded response above to my statement above, have to do with THE FACT THAT YOU CANNOT DEFEND THE WHORE MARY in my post herewith:
https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/200861/#Comment_200861

You're just like the number one BIBLE FOOL RickeyHoltsclaw, where you have to continue to run away from BIBLICAL AXIOMS!

Therefore, AGAIN, you are NOT a Christian!




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21CenturyIconoclast

@just_sayin


Just_LYING, who is trying to be more BIBLE DUMB than RickeyHoltsclaw!

ANOTHER ONE OF YOUR STU-PID BIBLE QUOTES:  "I don't think telling Mary that she was giving birth to the Messiah was cruel."

How many times does it take for the inept mind of the pseudo-christian "Just_LYING" to comprehend that JESUS IS NOT THE MESSIAH???!!!


The following is one of MANY, MANY, MANY factual examples of why your brutal serial killer Jesus is NOT the Messiah!

Matthew quotes from Isiah 7:14 to show this miraculous pregnancy of the whore Mary, because she was not married to Joseph yet, was the fulfillment of prophecy. The purpose of this prophecy, in part, is to point out that Jesus was the promised Messiah, NOT!

“The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, "and they will call him Immanuel” (which means “God with us”). (Matthew 1:23) 

Just_LYING, do you want to call Matthew a in the passage above?!

The above embarrassing and “alleged prophecy” indicates the divinity of Jesus, BUT, falls flat on its proverbial face because no one, not even the brutal serial killer Jesus’ family, disciples, or friends ever called him “Immanuel!”  Therefore said prophecy is NULL AND VOID!

THEREFORE, JESUS IS NOT THE MESSIAH!

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21CenturyIconoclast

@marke

MARKE, YOUR ONCE AGAIN INEPT POST: "The devil thought he finally killed God on the cross.  How wrong the old degenerate turned out to be."

Marke, in addressing another one of your statements proving that Jesus didn't really die as a true sacrifice, where he only took his "tomb nap" for only 2 1/2 days, that goes against scripture of 3 days, nonetheless, since Jesus didn't stay dead as a true sacrifice, then he really didn't die for your sins because he remained ALIVE!  GET IT BIBLE DUNCE?!

Marke, how does it feel in "Logically" knowing now that Jesus really didn't die for your sins?

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marke

@21CenturyIconoclast ; 
MY QUOTE:  "And you want to call yourself a Christian if you can't defend the whore Mary? NOT! .... LOL!"

  Mary was not a whore.  You have her mixed up with women like Jezebel, Kamala, and Dr. Jill.

Barnardot

@marke ;@21CenturyIconoclast @Stephen Mary was not a whore. 

That's probably because she was so ugly looking that she couldn't charge for it anyway.

The evidence does tend to suggest that she was a bit loose and was certainly no virgin by the time God got to her and raped her..

Stephen

21CenturyIconoclast said:

@marke

MARKE, YOUR ONCE AGAIN INEPT POST: "The devil thought he finally killed God on the cross.  How wrong the old degenerate turned out to be."

Marke, in addressing another one of your statements proving that Jesus didn't really die as a true sacrifice, where he only took his "tomb nap" for only 2 1/2 days, that goes against scripture of 3 days, nonetheless, since Jesus didn't stay dead as a true sacrifice, then he really didn't die for your sins because he remained ALIVE!  GET IT BIBLE DUNCE?!

Marke, how does it feel in "Logically" knowing now that Jesus really didn't die for your sins?

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Nice. 21 C
No one witnessed Jesus die. Those closest  to the cross were women and had never given testimony.
Indeed there are (no surprises) two versions  of exactly where these women stood when Jesus was said to have been crucified.

One version has them at the foot of the cross within speaking distance, while other versions have them looking from afar over a wall into a private garden owned by one of Jesus' rich and influential friends - that obviously didn't agree with handed over all his wealth or worldly goods to the "poor".
Yes, it appears according to some versions then that this was all a very private affair and  Jesus was actually "crucified" on property owned by his friend Joseph Of Arimathea.  Sounds all very staged , doesn't it 21 C?

marke

@Barnardot
 The evidence does tend to suggest that she was a bit loose and was certainly no virgin by the time God got to her and raped her..

You should never rely on 'evidence' published in smut magazines.

Stephen

marke said:

@Barnardot
 The evidence does tend to suggest that she was a bit loose and was certainly no virgin by the time God got to her and raped her..

You should never rely on 'evidence' published in smut magazines.

Smut being one thing but out and out violence, mental torture, rape and willful murder of innocent people is another which the BIBLE displays often. 

marke

@Stephen ;
 Smut being one thing but out and out violence, mental torture, rape and willful murder of innocent people is another which the BIBLE displays often. 

Sinners are responsible for abominable sins and wickedness, not God.

Stephen

marke said:

@Stephen ;
 Smut being one thing but out and out violence, mental torture, rape and willful murder of innocent people is another which the BIBLE displays often. 

Sinners are responsible for abominable sins and wickedness, not God.

Under normal circumstance you'd be correct. Skidmark. But you fail to see the problem you have with your own statement. 
You see, the BIBLE states clearly that god created evil. Evil was on the earth before the creation of Adam and Eve was wer just an after thought..... if we are to believe the BIBLE!

marke

@Stephen ;
 You see, the BIBLE states clearly that god created evil.

The word 'evil' has many definitions and connotations.  God did create evil but He did not create sin and does not commit sin.

Barnardot

@marke @Stephen ; God did create evil but He did not create sin and does not commit sin.

What the eff are you talking about? As the Bible clearly says; God raped the ar*se of a virgin and got her pregnant. 

If that's not sin then I would like you to explain what is.

Stephen

Barnardot said:

@marke @Stephen ; God did create evil but He did not create sin and does not commit sin.

What the eff are you talking about? As the Bible clearly says; God raped the ar*se of a virgin and got her pregnant. 

If that's not sin then I would like you to explain what is.

It was more likely that it was the high priest - the acting "Gabriel" that did the deed.