Jesus Recruiting The Disciples

just_sayin

@Stephen

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When did Jesus meet Andrew, Peter, James and John?

The Gospels provide different accounts of when Jesus first met Andrew, Peter, James, and John. Here's a chronological overview based on the Gospel narratives:

## Initial Encounter (Gospel of John)

According to John's Gospel, the first meeting occurred near the Jordan River:

1. Andrew, initially a disciple of John the Baptist, met Jesus first[3].

2. Andrew then introduced his brother Simon (Peter) to Jesus, who gave him the name Cephas (Peter)[3].

## Calling by the Sea of Galilee (Synoptic Gospels)

The Gospels of Matthew, Mark, and Luke describe a subsequent encounter by the Sea of Galilee:

1. Jesus saw Simon (Peter) and Andrew fishing and called them to follow him[4].

2. Shortly after, Jesus called James and John, who were in a boat with their father Zebedee[4].

## Luke's Unique Account

Luke's Gospel provides a slightly different version:

1. Jesus used Simon's boat to preach to the crowd[4].

2. After a miraculous catch of fish, Jesus called Simon (Peter), James, and John to follow him[4].

While the exact timeline is not entirely clear, it appears that Jesus may have met Andrew and Peter briefly earlier, as described in John's Gospel, before formally calling them (along with James and John) to be his disciples by the Sea of Galilee, as recorded in the Synoptic Gospels[1][2].

Citations:

[1] https://hermeneutics.stackexchange.com/questions/819/reconciling-the-accounts-of-the-calling-of-simon-peter

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calling_of_the_disciples

[3] https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+1:35-42&version=NLV

[4] https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+4:18-22,Luke+5:1-11&version=NLV

[5] https://www.gotquestions.org/Jesus-inner-circle.html

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Stephen

just_sayin said:

@Stephen

From Perplexity.ai:

When did Jesus meet Andrew, Peter, James and John?

The Gospels provide different accounts 

The gospels provide different accounts of many issues and the meeting of the above mentioned disciples is not an isolated instance.
In other words they are clear contradiction.
But, no surprises, you haven't answered the question.

marke

@Stephen
Are these gospel writers really  expecting us to believe that these people - grown men - who didn't even know Jesus, would just "straightaway" forsake their nets, just drop everything leaving  their homes, jobs and families and lucrative businesses on the word and whim of a stranger  and  follow the stranger around the countryside, deserts and wilderness preaching about  something they didn't understand or had ever heard about, without a word of inquiry? 

Yes, that is the record.  Just because you don't believe the record does not mean the record is false.

Stephen

marke said:

@Stephen
Are these gospel writers really  expecting us to believe that these people - grown men - who didn't even know Jesus, would just "straightaway" forsake their nets, just drop everything leaving  their homes, jobs and families and lucrative businesses on the word and whim of a stranger  and  follow the stranger around the countryside, deserts and wilderness preaching about  something they didn't understand or had ever heard about, without a word of inquiry? 

Yes, that is the record.  Just because you don't believe the record does not mean the record is false.

Well apart from the fact that you have ignored the  contradictory account of these so called callings. You have also failed to explain to us why it was that they just dropped everything and followed a complete stranger without a word of inquiry,
Why is that skidmark,?

just_sayin

Stephen said:

just_sayin said:

@Stephen

From Perplexity.ai:

When did Jesus meet Andrew, Peter, James and John?

The Gospels provide different accounts 

The gospels provide different accounts of many issues and the meeting of the above mentioned disciples is not an isolated instance.
In other words they are clear contradiction.
But, no surprises, you haven't answered the question.

There are differences, but no contradictions.  

Matthew 4:18-22

18 As Jesus was walking beside the Sea of Galilee, he saw two brothers, Simon called Peter and his brother Andrew. They were casting a net into the lake, for they were fishermen. 19 “Come, follow me,” Jesus said, “and I will send you out to fish for people.” 20 At once they left their nets and followed him.

21 Going on from there, he saw two other brothers, James son of Zebedee and his brother John. They were in a boat with their father Zebedee, preparing their nets. Jesus called them, 22 and immediately they left the boat and their father and followed him.

The text does not claim this is their first meeting.

Luke 5

 One day as Jesus was standing by the Lake of Gennesaret,[a] the people were crowding around him and listening to the word of God. 2 He saw at the water’s edge two boats, left there by the fishermen, who were washing their nets. 3 He got into one of the boats, the one belonging to Simon, and asked him to put out a little from shore. Then he sat down and taught the people from the boat.

4 When he had finished speaking, he said to Simon, “Put out into deep water, and let down the nets for a catch.”

5 Simon answered, “Master, we’ve worked hard all night and haven’t caught anything. But because you say so, I will let down the nets.”

6 When they had done so, they caught such a large number of fish that their nets began to break. 7 So they signaled their partners in the other boat to come and help them, and they came and filled both boats so full that they began to sink.

8 When Simon Peter saw this, he fell at Jesus’ knees and said, “Go away from me, Lord; I am a sinful man!” 9 For he and all his companions were astonished at the catch of fish they had taken, 10 and so were James and John, the sons of Zebedee, Simon’s partners.

Then Jesus said to Simon, “Don’t be afraid; from now on you will fish for people.” 11 So they pulled their boats up on shore, left everything and followed him.

There is nothing in this account that contradicts the Matthew account.  It has more details, and may not even be the same incidence.  Nothing in the text is truly contradictory though.

John 1:35-42

The next day John was there again with two of his disciples. 36 When he saw Jesus passing by, he said, “Look, the Lamb of God!”

37 When the two disciples heard him say this, they followed Jesus. 38 Turning around, Jesus saw them following and asked, “What do you want?”

They said, “Rabbi” (which means “Teacher”), “where are you staying?”

39 “Come,” he replied, “and you will see.”

So they went and saw where he was staying, and they spent that day with him. It was about four in the afternoon.

40 Andrew, Simon Peter’s brother, was one of the two who heard what John had said and who had followed Jesus. 41 The first thing Andrew did was to find his brother Simon and tell him, “We have found the Messiah” (that is, the Christ). 42 And he brought him to Jesus.

Jesus looked at him and said, “You are Simon son of John. You will be called Cephas” (which, when translated, is Peter)..  

Again, there is nothing in this account that directly contradicts the other 2 accounts, since neither Luke nor Matthew claim that was their first encounter with Jesus.

Stephen

just_sayin said:

Stephen said:

just_sayin said:

@Stephen

From Perplexity.ai:

When did Jesus meet Andrew, Peter, James and John?

The Gospels provide different accounts 

The gospels provide different accounts of many issues and the meeting of the above mentioned disciples is not an isolated instance.
In other words they are clear contradiction.
But, no surprises, you haven't answered the question.

There are differences, but no contradictions.  

  

Of course there is a  contradiction.  One tells a completely different story to the others. You pointed this out yourself.
And you still haven't manged to offer  any reason why these fishermen just wondered off as if in  trance to follow a man they didn't know leaving behind  their nets, just drop everything leaving  their homes, jobs and families and lucrative businesses . 

just_sayin

Stephen said:

just_sayin said:

Stephen said:

just_sayin said:

@Stephen

From Perplexity.ai:

When did Jesus meet Andrew, Peter, James and John?

The Gospels provide different accounts 

The gospels provide different accounts of many issues and the meeting of the above mentioned disciples is not an isolated instance.
In other words they are clear contradiction.
But, no surprises, you haven't answered the question.

There are differences, but no contradictions.  

  

Of course there is a  contradiction.  One tells a completely different story to the others. You pointed this out yourself.
And you still haven't manged to offer  any reason why these fishermen just wondered off as if in  trance to follow a man they didn't know leaving behind  their nets, just drop everything leaving  their homes, jobs and families and lucrative businesses . 

John's account appears to be a different account.  The others do not claim to be the first meeting.  It is even possible that Matthew and Luke's accounts are 2 different events, though they could be the same event.  I am trying to figure out why you think there is a contradiction?  What is contradictory?  You are sounding like the raging mad God hater on the site.  just sayin

Why should it amaze you that Jesus attracted disciples?  Andrew was a disciple of John the Baptist, and had heard of Jesus, maybe he had even been at Jesus' baptism.  Jesus attracted several people, not just the apostles.

marke

@Stephen

When believers recognize God's call, they respond immediately without asking asking questions or seeking to know why before responding.

Stephen

marke said:

@Stephen

When believers recognize God's call, they respond immediately without asking asking questions or seeking to know why before responding.

"God's call" .  So god's call is simply recognised by all those that he speaks to and they just drop everything and do his bidding? 

marke

@Stephen

Those who follow the Lord with all their hearts drop everything and follow Him when He calls them to do so.

Stephen

marke said:

@Stephen

Those who follow the Lord with all their hearts drop everything and follow Him when He calls them to do so.

I see. You do know what you have just opened yourself up to with that reply don't you skidmark ? 

Factfinder

@marke

Those who follow the Lord with all their hearts drop everything and follow Him when He calls them to do so.

So you finally admit one must be totally ignorant and gullible, willing to abandon objective critical thinking for fantasy and fairytales if they are to be a believer like yourself?

I've said that all along.

marke

@Factfinder

Following the Lord without reservation is not ignorance, it is wisdom.

Stephen

marke said:

@Factfinder

Following the Lord without reservation is not ignorance, it is wisdom.

Not what the lord says is it, skidmark? 
Keep on asking questions sayeth the lord. Proverbs - Hebrew - Timothey - James - Philippians -  - Matthew - Colossians - John -  Thessalonians - Romans - Peter and many more tell us if we seek knowledge and wisdom that we should keep asking questions.
Off you go now.

marke

@Stephen

Those who reject the Lord when He calls will not be chosen to serve Him.

Stephen

marke said:

@Stephen

Those who reject the Lord when He calls will not be chosen to serve Him.

Well we are talking about yet another of your comments telling us that we are not to question god. Which the BIBLE contradicts you, skidmark.

marke

@Stephen ;
Well we are talking about yet another of your comments telling us that we are not to question god. Which the BIBLE contradicts you, skidmark. 

The Bible does not instruct believers to say no to God when He calls for them to come or go.

Stephen

marke said:

@Stephen ;
Well we are talking about yet another of your comments telling us that we are not to question god. Which the BIBLE contradicts you, skidmark. 

The Bible does not instruct believers to say no to God when He calls for them to come or go.

Now you have stooped to purposefully misquoting me.???? Jesus!!!  you are so fkn desperate. I have said the BIBLE encourages us to continually ask questions. 

marke

@Stephen
  Now you have stooped to purposefully misquoting me.???? Jesus!!!  you are so fkn desperate. I have said the BIBLE encourages us to continually ask questions. 

I did not misquote you.  I did not quote you at all.  Nevertheless, there is a big difference between me saying followers of Jesus do not hesitate or ask for reasons before following Jesus when He calls, and you claiming that Jesus wants them to hesitate and ask questions before following Him when they know He is calling them to immediately follow Him without hesitation.

Stephen

marke said:

@Stephen
  Now you have stooped to purposefully misquoting me.???? Jesus!!!  you are so fkn desperate. I have said the BIBLE encourages us to continually ask questions. 

I did not misquote you.  I did not quote you at all. 

Then you responded with complete irrelevancy to what I actually said.