If These Were Not Jesus' Own Contradictory Words....

marke

@Stephen

Jesus is both God and the Son of God.  That is not something God gives unbelievers the ability to understand.

Stephen

Stephen said:

.....then the who put them into the mouth of the Christ?

Equal then not equal

 John 10:30 " I and the Father are one".   

John 14:28  “ I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I" .

I judge then I don't judge 

John 5:22 , 30. " Moreover, the Father judges no one, but has entrusted all judgment to the Son.  By myself I can do nothing; I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just".

John 8:15     " You judge by human standards; I pass judgment on no one.

John 12:47  " I do not judge that person. For I did not come to judge the world, but to save the world.

I am my own witness and it is true. Then It is not true.

John 8:14  “Even if I testify on my own behalf, my testimony is valid, for I know where I came from and where I am going".

John 5:31   “If I testify about myself, my testimony is not true.

Man is not my witness. Man is my witness .

John 33-34   “You have sent to John and he has testified to the truth. 34 Not that I accept human testimony; but I mention it that you may be saved.

John 15:27  "And you also must testify, for you have been with me from the beginning.

Before the default excuse of "CONTEXT!"  is raised, let me draw your attention to the fact that these verses are all  from the same gospel. 

And if they are not in "CONTEXT!"  then anyone is welcome to put these contradictions into "CONTEXT! for us showing us all how they make perfect sense when they are read in "context" . 

marke said:

@Stephen

Jesus is both God and the Son of God.  That is not something God gives unbelievers the ability to understand.

So as expected, you have fell at the first fence skidmark. As there ever a time that you have actually stretched the pea brain of yours and tried to answer something as simple as the one I posed above? 
 After all, it shouldn't be that difficult for someone like yourself that claims to have over 50 years BIBLE study under your belt.

just_sayin

@Stephen
From Getliner.com

The verses you've mentioned from the Gospel of John present a complex understanding of Jesus's role concerning judgment and authority. To reconcile these verses and understand their non-contradictory nature, we can analyze the themes and contexts of each passage.

    Contextual Interpretation

    1. **John 5:22, 30**

   - In this passage, Jesus states that the Father has entrusted all judgment to the Son, affirming the unique authority given to Him. He emphasizes that His judgment is just because He only judges according to what He hears from the Father. The statement “By myself I can do nothing” highlights His dependency on the Father’s will, indicating that His authority is derived rather than independent.

    2. **John 8:15**

   - Here, Jesus distinguishes between human standards of judgment and His own approach. He mentions that "I pass judgment on no one," which reflects His intention to highlight that human judgments can be flawed, subject to bias, and often disconnected from divine truth. His role is more about revealing the truth than imposing judgment based on incomplete human reasoning.

    3. **John 12:47**

   - In this verse, Jesus clarifies His mission, stating that He did not come to judge the world but to save it. This underscores that His primary focus is on salvation and reconciliation rather than condemnation. The distinction is made to emphasize His role as the Savior, aiming to draw people to life through His teachings and sacrifice rather than simply judging their actions.

    Integration of Themes

    To harmonize these passages, it is essential to view Jesus's statements within the broader context of His mission and relationship with the Father:

    Authority and Dependency**: Although Jesus is entrusted with the authority to judge, He continually expresses His dependence on the Father’s will, emphasizing that His judgments are aligned with divine righteousness and not based on human standards.

    Mission Focus**: The emphasis on saving rather than judging highlights His mission's compassionate nature. Jesus’s approach is designed to guide humanity towards salvation, reflecting the heart of God rather than exercising judgment in a punitive sense.

    Temporal vs. Eternal Judgment**: It can also be understood that in His earthly ministry, Jesus focused on offering grace and forgiveness. While He has the authority to judge, the context reflects the heart of His mission during His lifetime was to bring the message of hope and salvation. The ultimate judgment is a future event where His role will encompass both judgment and justice according to divine authority.

    Conclusion

    In summary, the verses do not contradict each other when understood in their broader context. They reflect a multi-faceted role of Jesus as both the entrusted judge and the Savior. His emphasis on saving rather than judging during His earthly ministry aligns with the nature of His mission, which is ultimately to redeem humanity while also emphasizing the righteous judgment entrusted to Him by the Father. This nuanced understanding reconciles His statements and highlights the theological depth found in the Gospel of John.

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Stephen

just_sayin said:

@Stephen
From Getliner.com

The verses you've mentioned from the Gospel of John

Now try answering them yourself.  

Stephen

Stephen said:

.....then the who put them into the mouth of the Christ?

Equal then not equal

 John 10:30 " I and the Father are one".   

John 14:28  “ I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I" .

I judge then I don't judge 

John 5:22 , 30. " Moreover, the Father judges no one, but has entrusted all judgment to the Son.  By myself I can do nothing; I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just".

John 8:15     " You judge by human standards; I pass judgment on no one.

John 12:47  " I do not judge that person. For I did not come to judge the world, but to save the world.

I am my own witness and it is true. Then It is not true.

John 8:14  “Even if I testify on my own behalf, my testimony is valid, for I know where I came from and where I am going".

John 5:31   “If I testify about myself, my testimony is not true.

Man is not my witness. Man is my witness .

John 33-34   “You have sent to John and he has testified to the truth. 34 Not that I accept human testimony; but I mention it that you may be saved.

John 15:27  "And you also must testify, for you have been with me from the beginning.

Before the default excuse of "CONTEXT!"  is raised, let me draw your attention to the fact that these verses are all  from the same gospel. 

And if they are not in "CONTEXT!"  then anyone is welcome to put these contradictions into "CONTEXT! for us showing us all how they make perfect sense when they are read in "context" . 

No takers, then?

Factfinder

@marke

Jesus is both God and the Son of God.  That is not something God gives unbelievers the ability to understand.

Apparently the same way it didn't give believers the ability to understand fiction and reality. So then you admit your bible is fallible in ways you don't understand but you blindly trust it anyway cause...?

marke

@Factfinder ;
 So then you admit your bible is fallible in ways you don't understand but you blindly trust it anyway cause...?

Those who believe the Bible contradicts itself are the blind ones.

Stephen

marke said:

@Factfinder ;
 So then you admit your bible is fallible in ways you don't understand but you blindly trust it anyway cause...?

Those who believe the Bible contradicts itself are the blind ones.

Well apart from that you again have actually failed to answer the question I posed, ADAIN. You haven't even attempted to show us why these contradictory verses and not contradictory.