should We Restrict Debate on Religion?

marke

@Barnardot

Given that we know evolution and global warming are horse poop should we restrict discussions about those stinking subjects?

just_sayin

@Barnardot
Bernie,  I think there is a God and debates about religion can be beneficial.  However, I would agree that the site is over represented with religion debates.  I try to post a new political debate every two or three days, but the God haters (@FactFinder (@Stephen), @21CenturyIconoclast, @MayCaesar and @RickeyHoltsclaw (@Marke) dominate the posts, and other topics struggle to get any notice.  

Factfinder

@Barnardot

Works for me. I'm game

MayCaesar

If you look at the list of the threads I have created (over 40), only 2 of them had anything to do with religion. You do not have to wait for others to take the action; be the hero of your journey! Start threads on other topics, and the like-minded people will come!

Barnardot

@marke ;Given that we know evolution and global warming are horse poop should we restrict discussions about those stinking subjects?

In the case of evolution, it is a fruitless subject to debate since evolution has irrefutably been proven beyond a doubt so any debate would be as useful as arguing whether or not water is wet.

Global warming is still a contentious subject, full of unknowns and we will continue to have animated discussions as to the extent of global warming and its causes.

Barnardot

@just_sayin ;Bernie,  I think there is a God and debates about religion can be beneficial. 

I can understand that but I'm sure that there will be others who think that the sky is red, and that water is not wet. But is it beneficial or fruitful to debate those topics. I don't think so.

In all three cases it would be more beneficial to debate the factors and causes that make people think such nutty things.

Hay, here's a good one for you. They have come out with a great new product for campers and hikers. It is powdered water. You just add water and serve .

21CenturyIconoclast

@Barnardot

PART OF YOUR INITIAL POST:  "isn't it time to stop arguing about the whys and wherefores of why Jesus did this or God does that? The talk is all hypothetical anyway and since there is no evidence to back anything up, it makes for pretty useless debating topics."

SUBJECTIVELY WRONG!

1. Relating to Jesus "doing this or that" biblically proves that the pseudo-christian worships a brutal serial killer god where he has a propensity to murder innocent children and creating abortions!  This biblical FACT should always be brought to the forefront at the pseudo-christians embarrassing expense!

2. The "talk" is NOT biblically hypothetical because inept pseudo-christians believe that what the primitive Bible says, is the words of Jesus, and to them it is not "hypothetical," where said bible passages do back themselves up within the JEWISH-Christian bible by being written in the first place!

3. It is not "useless" to me to easily Bible Slap Silly®️ the pseudo-christians that are upon this Religion forum because it shows in how bible-stu-pid this faction truly is, where if they had a modicum of sense, they would jettison their primitive Bronze and Iron Age faith!  LOL!

4.  You want to restrict debate of Religion in a Religion Forum?  Huh?


Bamardot, remember, these pseudo-christian fools in the 21st Century are putting themselves into school boards, government offices, the Supreme Court, City Councils, etc., therefore they must be shown in what they represent ad infinitum, period!







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Barnardot

@MayCaesar ;be the hero of your journey! Start threads on other topics, and the like-minded people will come!

That's a great idea so that it should flush the religious crap down and off the page....the principle being is that religious nuts take things at face value.

So long as we don't go too far and end up posting topics like "The Mating Habits of African Dung Beetles" or "For How Long Should We Observe Paint Drying?". That would be enough to turn anyone onto religion .

Barnardot

@21CenturyIconoclast ;The "talk" is NOT biblically hypothetical because inept pseudo-christians believe that what the primitive Bible says, is the words of Jesus, and to them it is not "hypothetical," 

Yes, well that's my whole point. They believe it's not hypothetical but in actual fact it is hypothetical. So therefore, it is more beneficial to say, change the forum "Religion" to "Mental Health" so that we can argue constructively and even get those deluded nits coming round to realize the crap that they believe in and deal with the voices in their heads.

polytheistwitch

Yes this part of the site should be completely closed down. It's either atheist talking about how they're better than every theist that ever lived, the Christian god does /doesn't exist or creationism. Boring as hell. Technically these conversations should be above any atheist but they still slum it here all the time.

Fredsnephew

Argument Topic: Hey Poly

polytheistwitch said:

Yes this part of the site should be completely closed down. It's either atheist talking about how they're better than every theist that ever lived, the Christian god does /doesn't exist or creationism. Boring as hell. Technically these conversations should be above any atheist but they still slum it here all the time.

@polytheistwitch

Something to stimulate the mind on a frosty morning.


As I see it, one should discuss what one chooses to discuss.


Nonetheless, take a look at the World Poly and see the social problems that religious ideological imagination causes.


Look, even you think that you should be able to dictate what I should or shouldn't do. 

marke

@Barnardot

Neither evolution nor global warming claims have been irrefutably proven, in spite of leftist cult member claims to the contrary.

Barnardot

@polytheistwitch ;It's either atheist talking about how they're better than every theist

Well at least that is being constructive and helpful by letting air heads know where they stand. Someone has to tell religious nuts that they are well under par so far as intelligence and social interaction go.

So it’s not so much a matter of atheists boasting about being better. As it happens we are without having to say it. But we have a duty to let people know when the gate has been left open in their top paddock.

polytheistwitch

@Fredsnephew The initial suggestion was made by an atheist, so talk to one of your brethren about it. I hold no position at this site and have no authority to do anything. I'm suggesting things just like every other poster here. So print out your post, roll it up and stick it in whatever one of your orifices you think needs the most packing.

polytheistwitch

@Barnardot Feel free to discuss it with your atheist friends, I have no particular interest in addressing your . Can tell a POS by their posts.

21CenturyIconoclast

@Barnardot

Uh, what am I missing in your content of no more religious talk in a Religion Forum?  Whereas, what you want to do can be accomplished in the many different "Communities" listed on the left side of this page, yes?

Therefore, we keep RELIGION in a RELIGION COMMUNITY FORUM to easily demean the religious nut jobs like our 4 Stooges of Bible Stupidity, and soon to be added is KINGIYK making it the 5 Stooges!

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Stephen

@Barnardot ;Said should We Restrict Debate on Religion? .. [God, Jesus,, Bible Christianity] 

I find it interesting that this has been highlighted. I have looked at some back pages in this religion  forum and found no other ideology has been discussed to my knowledge so far,  be it Buddhism, Taoism, Hinduism, Sikhism Paganism or even Islamism, a ideology that appears to  now be spreading across all Western nations and  at a phenomenal rate: - the Muslims must believe it is at  the "will of Allah"? 

I am not at all religious myself but I do find the bible to be a fascinating subject for discussion  when read and studied fully  and has as many weird and wonderful stories (Ezekiel) as there are vile, barbaric and abhorrent episodes. It also tells - though sketchy - a history  of one of  the earliest (but by no means the earliest) of mankind's nations /  civilisations.

Of the other  forums I have used in the past religion has always been 1st or 2nd most popular discussion board. Indeed, a quick check here on this forum will testify to this where religion appears the top forum and to which you have contributed yourself, and often too.

 The thing I do have a problem with concerning the bible is in which the way it has come down to us and in particular the manner in which it has been preached to us over millennia. As I have always said; scratch the surface of the scriptures and another story entirely appears.That is  called study.

But to even suggest that the religion forum should "restricted" for reasons of the subject being somehow a pointless exercise and "hypothetical anyway" , is, to my mind, nothing short of a selfish endeavour to silence those that believe the have a case for Christ and his teachings  and all that it involves, etc etc. 

Have you considered discussing one of the other ideologies for discussion, Barnard? How about Islam ? It is after all the new ideology on the block and as I mentioned, it spreading like wild fire across Europe and the rest of Western civilisation. 

Factfinder

On some of the bigger sites the trend is to sign in and then go the forum of choice that interests you. I think there is a way to set up your home page when you open this site up that let's you customize what it shows you here. Anyway, if not on the home page all anyone has to do is look to the left and you can skip to the forum you're interested in. So a restriction of any topic would just be a personal choice not to participate.

Stephen

Factfinder said:

 Anyway, if not on the home page all anyone has to do is look to the left and you can skip to the forum you're interested in. So a restriction of any topic would just be a personal choice not to participate.

Yep. I agree. Its not hard is it?....  to ignore something that one such as Barnard finds to be a pointless exercise and "hypothetical anyway" .   

Barnardot

@polytheistwitch ;I have no particular interest in addressing your . Can tell a POS by their posts.

I can understand what its like when you believe in so many Gods because that leads to depression and then a lack of interest in doing anything really. That's why I reckon that if you are going to get spirtualistic then it is better to believe in only one God or, like many people do, focus on one particular God at a time. You will find that your attention will improve, then you will be more interested in what is going on around you.

I don't know what you mean by POS although I have heard of POV which means Point of View. For example, you get a lot of POV videos on PH which means PornHub.

Barnardot

@Stephen ;Factfinder said: Anyway, if not on the home page all anyone has to do is look to the left and you can skip to the forum you're interested in. So a restriction of any topic would just be a personal choice not to participate. ..............Yep. I agree. Its not hard is it?....  to ignore something that one such as Barnard finds to be a pointless exercise and "hypothetical anyway" .   

But don't you reckon that's like sticking your head in the sand and not addressing the issue?

Religious nuts are then going to prattle on about the finer points of the Holy Trinity and miracles and resurrections as if somehow it's normal to do so. All I'm doing is trying to be selfless to help those selfish buggers because encouraging them to talk all that crap unchallenged in a forum is just squirting more gas on the fire.

Here's a suggestion. Maybe we can petition Aaron to place an auto-diversion link on the Religion forum that goes straight to a Mental Health forum. Members will already be posting about their psychotic episodes and delusions, and religious folk will gently get the message that their religious belief is no different to other loony things afflicting people.

polytheistwitch

@Barnardot Thought you were leaving,  l i a r. Dishonest as all us theists. 

Stephen

Barnardot said:

@Stephen ;Factfinder said: Anyway, if not on the home page all anyone has to do is look to the left and you can skip to the forum you're interested in. So a restriction of any topic would just be a personal choice not to participate. ..............Yep. I agree. Its not hard is it?....  to ignore something that one such as Barnard finds to be a pointless exercise and "hypothetical anyway" .   

[Q A ] But don't you reckon that's like sticking your head in the sand and not addressing the issue?

Religious nuts are then going to prattle on about the finer points of the Holy Trinity and miracles and resurrections as if somehow it's normal to do so. 

[B] All I'm doing is trying to be selfless to help those selfish buggers because encouraging them to talk all that crap unchallenged in a forum is just squirting more gas on the fire.

[C] Here's a suggestion. Maybe we can petition Aaron to place an auto-diversion link on the Religion forum that goes straight to a Mental Health forum. 

[D] Members will already be posting about their psychotic episodes and delusions, and religious folk will gently get the message that their religious belief is no different to other loony things afflicting people.

You'll have to excuse me. I am still struggling with this site. Many of the icons do not seem to work for me, so I shall address your questions thus.

[A] If that's their way of dealing with things, then so be it. For me it , the "crap" simply shows them for what they are; ignorant to their own scriptures and preaching.  I love it to be honest. I have found that atheist for the best part, know and understand their scriptures better than they do themselves. I particularly like it when they - the theist- point blank deny and lie about what is actually written in their own Bible.

[B]  They should be allowed to "prattle" till their hearts content. And who is it that is letting them go "unchallenged"?  The whole idea of a religion forum is to challenge them on their beliefs, and their own scriptures, otherwise the religion forum will simple morph into a RELIGOUSE forum thereby turning it into a Pulpit for those "religious nuts" and "selfless buggers" that you don't agree with << I think there is a name for that , could be "bigot", you'll have to correct me on that , Barnard.

[C] Why simply not a forum for mental health? You seem to be forgetting that no one can actually take hold of you and drag you to the religion forum. It is as  factfinder pointed out and I agree, there is a list to the left of the home page for you to 
choose<< see that word, it means you have a choice to ignore everything on that list that you don't like, Barnard, so why not take advantage of the wonderful choices available on that list? 

[D]  " loony things"? Sounds like bias and bigotry to me. Have you ever read the Bible for yourself. Barnard? I have found it to be good practice to know your subject when stepping into this sort of arena not to mention common sense.
No, I think the religion forum is doing just fine as it is but at the same time I do appreciate that you have your own opinion on a subject that you know very little about.

You missed my question, Barnard.
Here> Have you considered discussing one of the other ideologies for discussion, Barnard? How about Islam ? It is after all the new ideology on the block and as I mentioned, it spreading like wild fire across Europe and the rest of Western civilisation. In fact you appear to have missed my whole post>>

I find it interesting that this has been highlighted. I have looked at some back pages in this religion  forum and found no other ideology has been discussed to my knowledge so far,  be it Buddhism, Taoism, Hinduism, Sikhism Paganism or even Islamism, a ideology that appears to  now be spreading across all Western nations and  at a phenomenal rate: - the Muslims must believe it is at  the "will of Allah"? 

I am not at all religious myself but I do find the bible to be a fascinating subject for discussion  when read and studied fully  and has as many weird and wonderful stories (Ezekiel) as there are vile, barbaric and abhorrent episodes. It also tells - though sketchy - a history  of one of  the earliest (but by no means the earliest) of mankind's nations /  civilisations.

Of the other  forums I have used in the past religion has always been 1st or 2nd most popular discussion board. Indeed, a quick check here on this forum will testify to this where religion appears the top forum and to which you have contributed yourself, and often too.

 The thing I do have a problem with concerning the bible is in which the way it has come down to us and in particular the manner in which it has been preached to us over millennia. As I have always said; scratch the surface of the scriptures and another story entirely appears.That is  called study.

But to even suggest that the religion forum should "restricted" for reasons of the subject being somehow a pointless exercise and "hypothetical anyway" , is, to my mind, nothing short of a selfish endeavour to silence those that believe the have a case for Christ and his teachings  and all that it involves, etc etc. 

Have you considered discussing one of the other ideologies for discussion, Barnard? How about Islam ? It is after all the new ideology on the block and as I mentioned, it spreading like wild fire across Europe and the rest of Western civilisation. 

polytheistwitch

I have sent a link to this topic to the admins and I'm hoping they actually look at it and consider what your suggesting as an active member of the board hoping to see some change for the better.

jack

Barnardot said:

Should we restrict debate on religion?

Hello B:

Nahh.   Who's we, anyway??   It ain't me, cause I don't own sh*t.  And, it ain't you either.  Look.  When you put your own money into your own website, you can restrict anybody you want..  Until then, you're just some yahoo who happened down the pike..

excon

Barnardot

@polytheistwitch ;I have sent a link to this topic to the admins and I'm hoping they actually look at it and consider what your suggesting as an active member of the board hoping to see some change for the better.

That's a great idea. And further to my idea of auto-diverting the "Religion" forum to the "Mental Health" forum, the admin could make a sub forum called "Multiple Personality" forum for when there's a post about multiple Gods. They could shorten the forum name to "DID".

Barnardot

@jack ;Nahh.   Who's we, anyway??   It ain't me, cause I don't own sh*t.  And, it ain't you either.  Look.  When you put your own money into your own website, you can restrict anybody you want

Then we're getting into censorship which I don't believe in.

My concept isn't restricting Religion per say. The idea is to auto-divert the Religion forum to a Mental Health forum. That we can have fruitful discussions about how to deal with delusion and other mental issues. 

I think that we are over all that crap like; Derrr, Does God Exist and Derrr, What Is the Holy Trinity and like Derrr Jesus said this and like Derrr God Did That..... It just goes around in circles and helps nobody.

polytheistwitch

I hope your licensed to practice psychology.

Barnardot

@polytheistwitch ;I hope your licensed to practice psychology.

Well, no I'm not, my cousin is though if you want me to refer you to her.

She has sorted me out more than a few times.