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Opinions on Trump
in Politics

By FascismFascism 332 Pts
I would like to see both sides of the argument with NO INSULTS. 
joecavalry
  1. Opinion

    26 votes
    1. He is mostly good
      38.46%
    2. He is okay
      11.54%
    3. He is mostly bad
      50.00%


Arguments

  • I believe that Trump is a great president who is fulfilling his promises.
    jamesrothsGiorgioBruxGeorge_Horse
    DebateIslander and a DebateIsland.com lover. 
  • @joecavalry
    Sure, but are promises really worth it? I admire the fact that he actually started building the wall like he promised, but building a wall isn't really a good idea to start with. 
    jamesrothsGiorgioBrux
  • Actually Trump isn't going to build the wall any time soon after that DACA deal. Trump is just a moderate, at least he's better than Hillary, who is a criminal.
  • @MissDMeanor
    Yes I agree he is better than Hillary, but he can be a much better president. Hillary should be jailed. She committed treason many times. Someone that selfish shouldn't be allowed in politics. 
    George_Horse
  • Look I'm not one to advocate on behalf of Trump, but the guy's getting a pretty raw deal from those who oppose him.  I mean seriously...HILLARY is against him.  If THAT doesn't give you reason enough to support the guy then I don't know what would.  


    George_Horse
    "If there's no such thing as a stupid question then what kind of questions do stupid people ask"?

    "There's going to be a special place in Hell for people who spread lies through the veil of logical fallacies disguised as rational argument".

    "Oh, you don't like my sarcasm?  Well I don't much appreciate your stupid".


  • I am very pleased with Trump. Despite having no political experience, I say he is doing great and I am very proud to support him. 

    "Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God? " ~Epicurus

    "We must question the story logic of having an all-knowing all-powerful God, who creates faulty Humans, and then blames them for his own mistakes." ~Gene Roddenberry

    "A communist is like a crocodile" ~Winston Churchill
  • @Vaulk I agree. Hillary should be jailed. 

    @George_Horse Why do you think Trump is a good president? 
  • Trump is one of the most hated presidents of all time according to poles. Hillary was also on the listed of most hated candidates. Then again people today did not live to experience many of the president's. By with two widely hated president candidates. Was he elected because he is a approved present or because many think Hillary is worse. I hope is spelled everything manly names correctly. : )
  • @Nope Possibly. I would have voted for Trump over Hillary. 
  • Fascism said:
    @MissDMeanor
    Yes I agree he is better than Hillary, but he can be a much better president. Hillary should be jailed. She committed treason many times. Someone that selfish shouldn't be allowed in politics. 
    Hillary never committed a crime or anything like that you're just a hack being a hack. 
    Vaulk
  • Lets see Trump appointed wall street to run the government. Wall street fines have nose dived over 70%. He kills 1,000 a year from increased ozone, hes increased everyone's premiums by 30%, made it so you cant sue banks, hes made retirees 18 billion poorer by repealing a rule that requires financial advisories to do whats best for their clients, hes increased the cost of a house by $1,236 , he allowed internet companies to sell and buy your information, he diverted funds away from sex trafficking, increased methane pollution by 510,00 tons smog and air toxins kill thousands a year, hes killing 900 a year from silica exposure, the Americam tourism industry has already lost 11 billion dollars because of him, made it so extremely mental ill people can get guns, he took overtime away from 4.2 million people, he repealed the clean power plan killing 3,600 people a year, he repealed mercury reducing regulations resulting in 11,000 increased deaths a year, he removed energy efficiency standards making consumers 24 billion poorer. And we haven't begun to talk about how he's the most corrupt administration since Nixon. 
  • @Oakchairbc ;
    Her email-scandal. She used a private email and put national security at risk. 
  • So no one thinks hes OK. Wow he must be a pretty extreme guy.
  • @Oakchairbc
    Please read my description underneath my post. 
    "NO INSULTS"

    I'm trying to make some conversations here. Insulting people does nothing to convince them. All insulting me would do is make me more defensive and not understand your point. This is a website where civilized debates occur. If you want to insult people go to the youtube comment section. 

    So I ask you politely to stop using phrases like "you're just a hack being a hack." Simply state your point and explain. 
  • @Oakchairbc
    Her actions in Bengazi make her guilty of involuntary manslaughter. 

    Involuntary manslaughter refers to an unintentional killing that results from recklessness
    Benghazi resulted in deaths of Americans because of Hillary's Recklessness. Fit's the definition nicely, no?

    Not to mention her Email, Uranium, and the Democratic party funds.
  • Fascism said:
    @Oakchairbc ;
    Her email-scandal. She used a private email and put national security at risk. 
    She used email. Are you from The Onion?

  • @Oakchairbc
    Her actions in Bengazi make her guilty of involuntary manslaughter.
    I got my popcorn. Lets hear this story. 

  • @Oakchairbc
    Fascism said:
    @Oakchairbc ;
    Her email-scandal. She used a private email and put national security at risk. 
    She used email. Are you from The Onion?


    She used private email for secret information. And once again the ad hominems. 
    UnknownAnimeOtaku
  • @Oakchairbc

    Pleasw prove any of these claims.  This should be fun.
    UnknownAnimeOtaku
  • @Oakchairbc
    http://www.factcheck.org/2016/06/the-benghazi-timeline-clinton-edition/
    US lives were lost because of Hillary's recklessness
    UnknownAnimeOtakuSilverishGoldNovaFascism
  • Alright guys, let's get this started. Let's start with the "election" first. The election is herby pronounced Bull . *Mind my language* Obviously Hillary would have won but suddenly a spike victory? What happened there? Now, theres Trump's and Hillary's wrongs. Now the people have spoken, and the people now know who you are and what you do. *Cough cough Sex offender..* Anyway, back on to topic, Trump has been accused of sexual harassment towards numerous people. *Specifically girls* Which in fact people indeed have proof. Now comes Hillary's alligations, she was told of having incognito emails. Now they indeed have proof as well but if you really look into it the document they had provided the people with were fake. *In my opinion* Which then leads to Donald Trumps alligations towards Hillary. And a huge huge big cycle, I'm not trying to be rude or anything I just want you to realize that there are people out there who lie.
    FascismCYDdhartaSilverishGoldNovaGeorge_Horse
  • @UnknownAnimeOtaku ;
    UnknownAnimeOtaku said:
    And a huge huge big cycle, I'm not trying to be rude or anything I just want you to realize that there are people out there who lie.
    Literally all politicians, lol. Hillary and Trump are both guilty of this. 

    Alright guys, let's get this started. Let's start with the "election" first. The election is herby pronounced Bull . *Mind my language* Obviously Hillary would have won but suddenly a spike victory? What happened there? 
    No one knows. The election started bull by rigging the race against Bernie. Of course there is no proof that Bernie would have won, but then again, there is no proof for your statement either. 

    Now, theres Trump's and Hillary's wrongs. Now the people have spoken, and the people now know who you are and what you do. *Cough cough Sex offender..* Anyway, back on to topic, Trump has been accused of sexual harassment towards numerous people. *Specifically girls* Which in fact people indeed have proof. Now comes Hillary's alligations, she was told of having incognito emails. Now they indeed have proof as well but if you really look into it the document they had provided the people with were fake. *In my opinion* 
    The documents being fake is just a wild guess. People accused Russia of providing the false documents, but this is unlikely. Hillary herself admitted that she used the private emails. Plus Hillary has many other scandals. This is only one of them. 
  • Fascism said:
    @Oakchairbc ;
    Her email-scandal. She used a private email and put national security at risk. 
    Do you live in North Korea? Here in America using an email isn’t a crime. 
  • Are you illiterate because your link says absoleulty nothing that you say it does? So, so far you have nothing.
  • @Oakchairbc

    Pleasw prove any of these claims.  This should be fun.

    http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/2/15/14625014/obamacare-trump-regulation-marketplaces

    https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/04/ny-attorney-general-sues-energy-secretary-for-delaying-energy-efficiency-rules/

    https://thinkprogress.org/mats-delay-pruitt-trump-5c9ad958b44f

    https://qz.com/943988/trumps-rollback-of-the-clean-power-plan-is-statistically-likely-to-lead-to-thousands-of-preventable-american-deaths/

    http://wonkette.com/608805/hope-you-werent-too-excited-about-that-overtime-pay-people-making-from-24000-to-47000-a-year

    http://www.inboundreport.com/2017/03/07/first-estimate-trump-slump-to-cost-u-s-industry-nearly-11-billion/

    http://www.nationalnursesunited.org/news/entry/the-human-cost-of-trumps-rollback-on-regulations/

    https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2017/08/15/543714171/cbo-predicts-rise-in-deficit-if-trump-cuts-payments-to-insurance-companies

    https://thinkprogress.org/epa-delay-ozone-standard-582d2bebac5b/

    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/uninsured-rate-rising_us_59e8ddcbe4b061a7badaf856

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/18/us/politics/tax-cut-obamacare-individual-mandate-repeal.html

    https://www.thestreet.com/story/14259507/1/penalties-against-wall-street-firms-down-sharply-under-trump.html

    http://thehill.com/regulation/labor/327445-trumps-fiduciary-delay-will-cost-retirees-28b-critics-say

    http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2017/04/25/trump_s_canadian_lumber_tariff_is_bad_news_for_u_s_homebuilders.html

    https://thinkprogress.org/trump-military-involvement-middle-east-400c985fbf1c

    https://consumerist.com/2017/10/24/senate-votes-to-make-sure-you-cant-sue-your-bank-or-credit-card-companies/

    http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2017/04/28/how_ice_expanded_its_deportation_force_without_asking_congress_for_a_dime.html

    https://thinkprogress.org/epa-delays-methane-emissions-rule-489fe284d405


    How much fun was it really? 

    Pogue
  • jamesrothsjamesroths 28 Pts
    edited January 3
    Trump = Dumbass
    George_HorseFascism
  • I think Trump is a natural born rapper.


  • The rest of the World doesn't know whether to laugh or cry.
  • @Oakchairbc Unless its private email for top-secret information. 
  • Trump: not the best President, not the worst President, when compared to Hillary...
  • Trump is exposing the massive, government-wide corruption that is the democratic party. So there's that.
    George_Horse
  • @SuzyCreamcheese The Republican party is very corrupt too, although I accept it isn't nearly as corrupt as the Democrat party. 
  • @Fascism If anything, it's been corrupted by the same people who corrupted the DNC and the FBI and the DOJ and the IRS. They're referred to as Deep State.
  • MayCaesarMayCaesar 723 Pts
    He is okay in the sense that he is a common populist who talks a lot, but never takes any meaningful action. Which is better than a president taking destructive action, but worse than a president taking helpful action. In addition, I have never liked the institute of presidency in the first place since it gives too much power to one individual. I have been in favor of a parliamentary republic instead, and the current situation where the president does not do anything is as close to that system as the US has ever been.

    The only real negative effect from him that I can see is that he gave rise to all the people who did not care about facts. All those conspiracy theorists of all kinds (including those on these boards) felt emboldened by the fact that the country is ruled by one of their kind, and started speaking out everywhere. 

    But there is also a positive effect: Trump is not the kind of person to hold back out of politeness, and if he senses an issue in the society, he points it out. This leads to a lot of discussions, that in the past were silenced by political correctness, being carried out openly. Issues can only be resolved if they are discussed, and this is something a person with no checks in a high position in the society can facilitate.

    Overall, I would say he is slightly below average as far as the US presidents go. He is certainly an upgrade over Nixon or Obama, but a downgrade from Reagan, both Bushes and Clinton.
  • George_HorseGeorge_Horse 359 Pts
    edited June 28
    Trump = Dumbass
    And how is this assertion true? An unproved claim is NOT true. If I were to call Obama a "Terrorist patron" and "Un-American" would I be correct?  it is the same for your claim which you are unable to prove. Simply because you feel like you cannot agree with the president on any particular subject does not mean that he is quote a "Dumbass"
    "Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God? " ~Epicurus

    "We must question the story logic of having an all-knowing all-powerful God, who creates faulty Humans, and then blames them for his own mistakes." ~Gene Roddenberry

    "A communist is like a crocodile" ~Winston Churchill
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