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Is it fair to post 1 - 2hr long videos as evidence? Is it just a tactic to wear people down?
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I've found that when debating/discussing some subjects, people have a tendency to post long-winded videos as evidence, often an hour or so long. They will often post more than just one video at the same time.
My own opinion is that this is simply a tactic intended to flood you with too much 'evidence' to be able to view in your own precious time. It sits in the same category as Gish-galloping, for me.
I think that if a video does contain a valid point or genuine evidence you should be able to isolate that part and give a timeframe reference for it.
My free time is very limited and I'd be pressed to watch more than 5 minutes of a video.

(I tried to add a third option to the question but can't see how to do it)
AmericanFurryBoy
  1. Is it reasonable to expect people to watch entire videos more than 10-15 minutes long?

    12 votes
    1. Yes
      25.00%
    2. no
      75.00%
I don't get a great deal of free time, for this reason there may be long periods between my posts.
Please don't expect me to respond with insults and memes, I don't have time for it.
Please don't expect me to respond to Gish-galloping, I don't have time for it.



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  • i believe that it is far to post videos more than 15 minutes long as evidence but they should tell you the part in which they find important. Wail I believe they should be able to do so I do not believe you should be expected in any way to watch the entire video. Their should be a arrow pointing down right under the poll. Click it to add more opinions. If it is not their or does not work I don't know what to say. : )
    NonCredenti
  • It's up to the debaters. I prefer not to argue in that manner. I like to only use evidence for facts and statistics, instead of having the evidence argue for me with argumentative points and reasoning. 
  • There should be an "add option" below the 2nd option for making a poll.

    And I agree it's ludicrous to present hour long videos, even as evidence. I recommend trying to find a website that's trusted. And both sides are allowed to question the validity of sources, but making me watch a movie with "This video will make you understand my point" or anything vague like that makes me reject it, even if it might have information somewhere in there.
  • In my experience, people who post a lot of links/videos, or very long links/videos, in online debates tend to have very shallow ideas. They try to make up for their shallowness by providing some links they find randomly by googling, to create the impression of significance of their arguments. Posting a 2 hour long video can be an example of such strategy: the person does not have to debate anything and essentially refers their opponents to someone else.

    There are places for everything. References make a lot of sense in a serious study paper, or in a blog post making a strong statement. References do not make much sense on websites such as this, where we debate ideas and exchange opinions. "Link wars" are counter-productive in this regard, as, again, they forward one's opponent to those they linked, without providing any input on their own.
    Links can be used as a continuation of the statement made, but they cannot be a substitute for the statement.

    An example of a good reference usage:
    "This mathematical theorem can be proved via integration by parts, as shown [link] here".

    An example of a bad reference usage:
    "Coffee prevents cancer. This [link] claiming it is a proof".

    When someone posts a 2 hour long video to "prove" that NASA is secretly negotiating with aliens, it is clear that they have no argument. One who cannot provide support for their statement in a concise way does not have that support.

  • I don't want to spend that time watching a video, unless it is from a very credible source. However I will easily spend that much time, or more, reading the works of great philosophers or people in history. If you give me a passage by Playto, Marx, or John Locke I'll be more inclined to read it for two reasons. 1. I can trust that the source explains your position in depth and did their best to be logical in their presentation. I can trust that someone like them spent a very long time working towards the position they argue for. 2. Even if they argue for a position I disagree with, the works from greats and influential people in history is valuable knowledge regardless.

    Some YouTuber or no name, who employs tactics such as emotionally charged music when they present their argument, I can't trust they really know what they are talking about or are trying to manipulate and not let their argument stand on its own logic. I won't take the time to research who this no name source is and their history just to flush out those questions.
  • I see no issue with presenting evidence.
    AmericanFurryBoyanonymousdebater
  • @YeshuaBought ;

    Generally, do not present evidence that you expect that other people will spend more than 10 minutes looking at. If you want to use long videos, then write a summary or quote important sections of the video. The same goes for any other media.
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