Do you like DACA? - The Best Online Debate Website | DebateIsland.com - Debate Anything The Best Online Debate Website | DebateIsland.com
frame

Howdy, Stranger!

It looks like you're new here. If you want to get involved, click one of these buttons!

The Best Online Debate Website | DebateIsland.com. The only Online Debate Website with Casual, Persuade Me, Formalish, and Formal Online Debate formats. We’re the Leading Online Debate website. Debate popular topics, Debate news, or Debate anything! Debate online for free!


The best online Debate website - DebateIsland.com! The only Online Debate Website with Casual, Persuade Me, Formalish, and Formal Online Debate formats. We’re the Leading Online Debate website. Debate popular topics, Debate news, or Debate anything! Debate online for free!

Do you like DACA?
in Politics

By billpassedbillpassed 144 Pts
Do you want DACA to continue? Do you like DACA?
walterbaaarongjoecavalry
  1. ?

    10 votes
    1. Yes
      60.00%
    2. No
      40.00%



Debra AI Prediction

Predicted To Win
Predicted To Win
Tie

Details +



Arguments

  • No, DACA allows illegal immigrants to stay in the country which should not be allowed unless a border wall is built.
    GiorgioBrux
  • GiorgioBruxGiorgioBrux 9 Pts
    edited January 13
    The Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) was an American immigration policy that allowed some individuals who entered the country as minors and had either entered or remained in the country illegally, to receive a renewable two-year period of deferred action from deportation and to be eligible for a work permit.   

    According to FactCheck.org "there is no evidence that DACA holders are more likely to commit crimes than U.S. citizens." Factcheck.Org noted that "numerous studies have found that immigrants do not commit crimes at a higher rate than non-immigrants.".
    Fact-checkers note that, on a large scale or in the long run, there is no reason to believe that DACA recipients have a major deleterious effect on American workers' employment chances; to the contrary, some economists say that DACA benefits the overall U.S. economy.  Source: [10][12][11][44][45]
    Dreamers aren't either less likely to go to school; to the contrary,  DACA led to increased educational attainment. Source: [53]

    FiveThirtyEight, summarizing the findings of past research, wrote that "the threat of deportation alone would likely have a negative impact on families. Immigration-related stress and anxiety have been shown to have negative health effects... Generally, researchers believe the stress that stems from the fear of having a parent deported has far-reaching, negative effects on the health of children."[54] In an editorial for the New England Journal of Medicine, Atheendar S. Venkataramani, professor of medicine at the University of Pennsylvania, and Alexander C. Tsai, professor of psychiatry at Harvard Medical School, write "The evidence clearly indicates that rescinding DACA will have profound adverse population-level effects on mental health... DACA was never intended to be a public health program, but its population-level consequences for mental health have been significant and rival those of any large-scale health or social policies in recent history. Rescinding DACA, therefore, represents a threat to public mental health." Source:[55]

    21 percent of DACA-protected immigrants work in education and health services.The American Medical Association has estimated that under DACA or similar legislation, 5,400 additional physicians would work in the United States in coming decades, alleviating a projected shortage of primary care physicians. Source: [45]

    Conclusively Dreamers pay taxes, contribute to the country, work, and they improve the economic and overall situation to the country.
    DACA gives hope to minors that if deported may end working in poor working conditions or in organized crime so the program should continue.

    Global Source: Here
    Thanks for reading.

    OakchairbcPogueBaconToes
  • DACA reduces the deficit by 1.4 billion, expands the economy by a trillion, and directly helps a million people. Only a psychopath opposes it.
  • CYDdhartaCYDdharta 731 Pts
    edited January 14
    DACA reduces the deficit by 1.4 billion, expands the economy by a trillion, and directly helps a million people. Only a psychopath opposes it.
    According to the Joint Committee on Taxation (a source I know you love and trust) legalizing the Dreamers would actually cost the country $26 billion over the next ten years.

    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/dec/15/legalizing-dreamers-would-cost-26-billion-cbo/

  • CYDdharta said:
    DACA reduces the deficit by 1.4 billion, expands the economy by a trillion, and directly helps a million people. Only a psychopath opposes it.
    According to the Joint Committee on Taxation (a source I know you love and trust) legalizing the Dreamers would actually cost the country $26 billion over the next ten years.

    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/dec/15/legalizing-dreamers-would-cost-26-billion-cbo/

    This is going to be funny. If you bothered to read the stuff you are posting you might of noticed that it says this report does not include the macroeconomic effects. Now why might they produce a report without looking at the economic effects? Well if you bothered to read what I said you’d have noticed that this group is controlled and made up of republicans. The republicans asked for a report that didn’t include the economic effects and the republican joint committee gave it to them. Funny what happens when you take the time to read and understand what you are talking about.

  • This is going to be funny. If you bothered to read the stuff you are posting you might of noticed that it says this report does not include the macroeconomic effects. Now why might they produce a report without looking at the economic effects? Well if you bothered to read what I said you’d have noticed that this group is controlled and made up of republicans. The republicans asked for a report that didn’t include the economic effects and the republican joint committee gave it to them. Funny what happens when you take the time to read and understand what you are talking about.
    Hmmm, so you're saying JCT doesn't take into account secondary (or more) factors, that their report is short-sighted.  That makes sense, considering their chief of staff is a long-time Democratic staffer.
  • CYDdhartaCYDdharta 731 Pts
    edited January 15
    The Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) was an American immigration policy that allowed some individuals who entered the country as minors and had either entered or remained in the country illegally, to receive a renewable two-year period of deferred action from deportation and to be eligible for a work permit.   

    According to FactCheck.org "there is no evidence that DACA holders are more likely to commit crimes than U.S. citizens." Factcheck.Org noted that "numerous studies have found that immigrants do not commit crimes at a higher rate than non-immigrants.".
    Contradictory evidence certainly exists;

    Using newly released detailed data on all prisoners who entered the Arizona state prison from January 1985 through June 2017, we are able to separate non-U.S. citizens by whether they are illegal or legal residents. This data do not rely on self-reporting by criminals. Undocumented immigrants are at least 142% more likely to be convicted of a crime than other Arizonans. They also tend to commit more serious crimes and serve 10.5% longer sentences, more likely to be classified as dangerous, and 45% more likely to be gang members than U.S. citizens. Yet, there are several reasons that these numbers are likely to underestimate the share of crime committed by undocumented immigrants. There are dramatic differences between in the criminal histories of convicts who are U.S. citizens and undocumented immigrants.


    Young convicts are especially likely to be undocumented immigrants. While undocumented immigrants from 15 to 35 years of age make up about 0.81% of the Arizona population, they make up almost 8% of the prison population. Even after adjusting for the fact that young people commit crime at higher rates, young undocumented immigrants commit crime at twice the rate of young U.S. citizens. These undocumented immigrants also tend to commit more serious crimes.

    If undocumented immigrants committed crime nationally as they do in Arizona, in 2016 they would have been responsible for over 1,000 more murders, 5,200 rapes, 8,900 robberies, 25,300 aggravated assaults, and 26,900 burglaries.
    https://crimeresearch.org/2018/01/impact-illegal-aliens-crime-rates/

  • I support the general concept that people having spent extended time in this country, especially if they were welcomed here by our government due to a displacement from their home country, should have some sort of path for some of them to become citizens.  Whether or not DACA achieves that is a bigger question.

    But what I absolutely do not support is boldly declaring that everyone here illegally is up to no good and should be driven out of town on a rail.  We're better people than that.
  • I belive that illegal immigrants and DACA illegal immigrant should should be deported due to them not being US citizens. They came to the US when they were children, but they came illegally and were brought by their parents. If theu wanted to be US citizens, they should have came legally.
    DebateIslander and a DebateIsland.com lover. 
  • Grenache said:
    I support the general concept that people having spent extended time in this country, especially if they were welcomed here by our government due to a displacement from their home country, should have some sort of path for some of them to become citizens.  Whether or not DACA achieves that is a bigger question.

    But what I absolutely do not support is boldly declaring that everyone here illegally is up to no good and should be driven out of town on a rail.  We're better people than that.

    It was made clear to many of the people who were displaced that their status was temporary because of armed conflict or natural disaster in their home countries.  That's the meaning of "Temporary Protected Status".  Judging from the recent complaints to the language the president used to describe many of their countries, their reason for being here no longer exists and should thus be returned to their homes.  What is the real reason they aren't being returned?  It's the same as the reason DACA is being opposed.  The current Executive Vice President for Communications and Advocacy and former Clinton and Obama staffer, Jennifer Palmieri, recently made it clear, it's all about votes;


    The Center For American Progress (CAP) Action Fund circulated a memo on Monday calling illegal immigrants brought here at a young age — so-called “Dreamers” — a “critical component of the Democratic Party’s future electoral success.”

    The memo, co-authored by former Clinton communications director Jennifer Palmieri, was sent around to allies calling on Democrats to “refuse to offer any votes for Republican spending bills that do not offer a fix for Dreamers and instead appropriate funds to deport them.”...CAP Action’s memo says protecting DACA is not only a “moral imperative” for Democrats, it also key to getting votes.“The fight to protect Dreamers is not only a moral imperative, it is also a critical component of the Democratic Party’s future electoral success,” reads Palmieri’s memo, obtained by The Daily Caller News Foundation.“If Democrats don’t try to do everything in their power to defend Dreamers, that will jeopardize Democrats’ electoral chances in 2018 and beyond,” reads the memo. “In short, the next few weeks will tell us a lot about the Democratic Party and its long-term electoral prospects.”

    http://dailycaller.com/2018/01/08/leaked-memo-dreamers-are-critical-to-dems-future-electoral-success/
  • CYDdharta said:

    This is going to be funny. If you bothered to read the stuff you are posting you might of noticed that it says this report does not include the macroeconomic effects. Now why might they produce a report without looking at the economic effects? Well if you bothered to read what I said you’d have noticed that this group is controlled and made up of republicans. The republicans asked for a report that didn’t include the economic effects and the republican joint committee gave it to them. Funny what happens when you take the time to read and understand what you are talking about.
    Hmmm, so you're saying JCT doesn't take into account secondary (or more) factors, that their report is short-sighted.  That makes sense, considering their chief of staff is a long-time Democratic staffer.
    https://thinkprogress.org/cbo-estimates-dream-act-will-reduce-the-deficit-by-1-4-billion-over-ten-years-38e2fec6ef26/

    There is the JCT joint report that includes macroeconomic effects. 
    As I said before the republicans asked for a short signed report because the real report was an example of reality being bias for liberals. Hilariously you fell for their trick and thought you were pulling a gotcha but instead you just scored a self goal.
    Thank you. 
  • CYDdharta said:
    The Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) was an American immigration policy that allowed some individuals who entered the country as minors and had either entered or remained in the country illegally, to receive a renewable two-year period of deferred action from deportation and to be eligible for a work permit.   

    According to FactCheck.org "there is no evidence that DACA holders are more likely to commit crimes than U.S. citizens." Factcheck.Org noted that "numerous studies have found that immigrants do not commit crimes at a higher rate than non-immigrants.".
    Contradictory evidence certainly exists;

    Using newly released detailed data on all prisoners who entered the Arizona state prison from January 1985 through June 2017, we are able to separate non-U.S. citizens by whether they are illegal or legal residents. This data do not rely on self-reporting by criminals. Undocumented immigrants are at least 142% more likely to be convicted of a crime than other Arizonans. They also tend to commit more serious crimes and serve 10.5% longer sentences, more likely to be classified as dangerous, and 45% more likely to be gang members than U.S. citizens. Yet, there are several reasons that these numbers are likely to underestimate the share of crime committed by undocumented immigrants. There are dramatic differences between in the criminal histories of convicts who are U.S. citizens and undocumented immigrants.


    Young convicts are especially likely to be undocumented immigrants. While undocumented immigrants from 15 to 35 years of age make up about 0.81% of the Arizona population, they make up almost 8% of the prison population. Even after adjusting for the fact that young people commit crime at higher rates, young undocumented immigrants commit crime at twice the rate of young U.S. citizens. These undocumented immigrants also tend to commit more serious crimes.

    If undocumented immigrants committed crime nationally as they do in Arizona, in 2016 they would have been responsible for over 1,000 more murders, 5,200 rapes, 8,900 robberies, 25,300 aggravated assaults, and 26,900 burglaries.
    https://crimeresearch.org/2018/01/impact-illegal-aliens-crime-rates/

    ROTFL you know how you always whine about how others are bias?
    Hilariously your source is created and funded by a guy famous for fabricating research, tampering with data, using faulty statistics and lying.



    https://thinkprogress.org/debunking-john-lott-5456e83cf326/
  • Here is real crime data on immigrants.

    All reliable data and studies point towards undocumented immigrants being less likely to commit crimes then natives[1].

    Data from1970-2010 from 200 random metropolitan areas finds that less crime follows increases in immigration. Meta analysis finds crime deterring effect of immigration[2].

    A 2008 PPIC report found that us born men are 10 times more likely to be incarcerated then foreign born men[3].

    From 1980-2010 immigrants are 2-5 less likely to be in jail[4]

    Immigrants ages 12-23 all have lower crime rates then natives. Crime rates are 33% lower in some instances[5].

     In California immigrants make up 35% of the population yet only make up 17% of the prison population[7].

    Fact check no evidence undocumented immigrants commit more crime[6].

    Here's several other studies finding the exact same thing[8].

    [1]https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/research/criminalization-immigration-united-states

    [2]https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/immigrants-do-not-increase-crime-research-shows/

    [3]http://mediamatters.org/research/201106010027

    [4]https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/research/criminalization-immigration-united-states

    [5]https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/07/02/surprise-donald-trump-is-wrong-about-immigrants-and-crime/

    [6]https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/fact-check-no-evidence-undocumented-immigrants-commit-more-crimes-n777856

    [7]http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1717575,00.html

    [8]https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/26/us/trump-illegal-immigrants-crime.html

  • Here is real crime data on immigrants.

    All reliable data and studies point towards undocumented immigrants being less likely to commit crimes then natives[1].

    Data from1970-2010 from 200 random metropolitan areas finds that less crime follows increases in immigration. Meta analysis finds crime deterring effect of immigration[2].

    A 2008 PPIC report found that us born men are 10 times more likely to be incarcerated then foreign born men[3].

    From 1980-2010 immigrants are 2-5 less likely to be in jail[4]

    Immigrants ages 12-23 all have lower crime rates then natives. Crime rates are 33% lower in some instances[5].

     In California immigrants make up 35% of the population yet only make up 17% of the prison population[7].

    Fact check no evidence undocumented immigrants commit more crime[6].

    Here's several other studies finding the exact same thing[8].

    [1]https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/research/criminalization-immigration-united-states

    [2]https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/immigrants-do-not-increase-crime-research-shows/

    [3]http://mediamatters.org/research/201106010027

    [4]https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/research/criminalization-immigration-united-states

    [5]https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/07/02/surprise-donald-trump-is-wrong-about-immigrants-and-crime/

    [6]https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/fact-check-no-evidence-undocumented-immigrants-commit-more-crimes-n777856

    [7]http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1717575,00.html

    [8]https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/26/us/trump-illegal-immigrants-crime.html

  • Here is real crime data on immigrants.

    All reliable data and studies point towards undocumented immigrants being less likely to commit crimes then natives[1].

    Data from1970-2010 from 200 random metropolitan areas finds that less crime follows increases in immigration. Meta analysis finds crime deterring effect of immigration[2].

    A 2008 PPIC report found that us born men are 10 times more likely to be incarcerated then foreign born men[3].

    From 1980-2010 immigrants are 2-5 less likely to be in jail[4]

    Immigrants ages 12-23 all have lower crime rates then natives. Crime rates are 33% lower in some instances[5].

     In California immigrants make up 35% of the population yet only make up 17% of the prison population[7].

    Fact check no evidence undocumented immigrants commit more crime[6].

    Here's several other studies finding the exact same thing[8].

    [1]https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/research/criminalization-immigration-united-states

    [2]https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/immigrants-do-not-increase-crime-research-shows/

    [3]http://mediamatters.org/research/201106010027

    [4]https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/research/criminalization-immigration-united-states

    [5]https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/07/02/surprise-donald-trump-is-wrong-about-immigrants-and-crime/

    [6]https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/fact-check-no-evidence-undocumented-immigrants-commit-more-crimes-n777856

    [7]http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1717575,00.html

    [8]https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/26/us/trump-illegal-immigrants-crime.html

    LOL, stats from sanctuary cities, much less sanctuary states is hardly reliable.
  • VaulkVaulk 567 Pts
    edited January 24
    DACA was the result of a Presidential executive order that Obama himself admitted was illegal and beyond his authority to create.  It was wrong to create it, he said it the best himself.


    "If there's no such thing as a stupid question then what kind of questions do stupid people ask"?

    "There's going to be a special place in Hell for people who spread lies through the veil of logical fallacies disguised as rational argument".

    "Oh, you don't like my sarcasm?  Well I don't much appreciate your stupid".


Sign In or Register to comment.

Back To Top

DebateIsland.com

| The Best Online Debate Experience!
2018 DebateIsland.com, All rights reserved. DebateIsland.com | The Best Online Debate Experience! Debate topics you care about in a friendly and fun way. Come try us out now. We are totally free!

Contact us

customerservice@debateisland.com
Awesome Debates
BestDealWins.com
Terms of Service

Get In Touch