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Germany's Immigration Crisis
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By FascismFascism 298 Pts
Germany is allowing many Muslim refugees into its lands and some of the population is against this. What are your thoughts? 
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  • Germany should not allow Muslims to come into their county due to the possible terrorist attacks that the Muslims may want to execute.
    LibertineStatesPogue
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  • I get so tired of this immigration debate. People act like ISIS could just take over all of Europe overnight. Not only would a full-fledged ISIS state in Europe be completely incompatible with the continent, the worst the ISIS forces could throw at them would be a mere dink in the Combined EU military armor. In other words: this is utter paranoia.

    I always liked how the French government handled the 1998 World Cup terror plot: The public was never informed of the incident, thus the terrorists never got the publicity they desired, and the people remained joyous at their national team winning the World Cup.
    Pogueqipwbdeo
  • Germany has to reform their immigration system and many other countries also have to put new immigration systems in place such as the US. 
  • @LibertineStates ;
    It's not only about ISIS. Germany is known to accept many refugees even if they don't qualify for refugees. Many Germans are fearing that their culture might be dwarfed in the near future by the Muslim culture. They are fearing that Germany might lose its identity. 
  • What intelligent human being cares about a meaningless, symbolic concept like 'identity'? Even if these refugees somehow 'take over' Germany, guess what? They still have to fend off 50 or so nations in Europe to maintain power, and on top of that, France and The United Kingdom have nuclear weapons, so invading those countries is pretty much out of the question. All this is is worrying over nothing.
  • @LibertineStates ;
    What intelligent human being cares about a meaningless, symbolic concept like 'identity'? Even if these refugees somehow 'take over' Germany, guess what? They still have to fend off 50 or so nations in Europe to maintain power, and on top of that, France and The United Kingdom have nuclear weapons, so invading those countries is pretty much out of the question. All this is is worrying over nothing.
    Most people care about their identity. It's a common thing humans do. It can be your religion, political belief, culture, or race. 
    And also if these refugees take over Germany, every country in Europe is not going to attack. These refugees would be able to take over Germany by outnumbering the German population, which is predicted to happen in the near future, and then gaining majority power in the elections. Europe has no reason to attack. It can be a democratic take over. 

    And once again, some of these "refugees" aren't refugees at all, but the government doesn't care. 
    LibertineStates
  • Germany should continue to allow immigrants to come into their country. It can help improve and increase their economy and country.
    Pogueagsr
  • agsragsr 816 Pts
    @therep, it can certainly help their economy but also need to be careful with vetting process to ensure it doesn't turn into a free for all
    Live Long and Prosper
  • One World

    One People.

    Nationhood and religion are just concepts. 

    Let's not forget that; most of the perceived present day immigration crisis and the rise of ISIS. Were induced by the U.S and it's Allies, meddling in the affairs of Middle Eastern and North African Sovereign States.

    As we have plunged so may peoples lives into crisis, it is therefore incumbent on us to alleviate the hardships we have imposed on so many displaced people.

    @passedbill ;
    Let's not also forget that the modern U.S. is a nation founded on immigration.
    LibertineStatesPogue
  • @Fredsnephew Germany isn't a nation founded on immigration. Merkel has invited hundreds of thousands of anti-Germans into her country. Gang rapes of German girls are a daily occurence. Germany is a country in deep social disorder on the brink of serious internal strife.
  • FascismFascism 298 Pts
    edited February 19
    @Fredsnephew ;
    One World

    One People.

    That's utopia and in order for most utopias to exist, something has to go. And in this case, national identity and culture goes. 

    It is not the general public to punish because of the governments incompetency. And many of the German immigrants aren't refugees anyways. 
    LibertineStates
  • edited February 19
    @Fascism Then good. National Identity and Culture are primitive concepts created by primitive people anyway, and if this is the price I must pay to not live like a caveman, then so be it.
    PogueFascism
  • I think they should allowed. Less than 2 percent of terror attacks in the EU from 2009-2013 were religiously motivated. There obviously should be a vetting process but 100,000 people should not be restricted because of 1 person. 
    Pogue
  • @Fascism ;

    One World. One People.

    There is nothing remotely utopian about this.

    Where else, other than planet Earth do we have to call home?

    How many nations, actually have a pure national identity?

    LibertineStates;  is correct in pointing out, that culture and national identity are merely conceptual notions. We believe what is taught to us as kids and we pass on this information, often with little regard for the validity and reality of this information.   @LibertineStates
    PogueLibertineStates
  • @Fredsnephew ;
    It's utopia because of the fact that you expect everyone to get along. 

    @Fredsnephew @LibertineStates ;
    Culture is always a part of humanity. No matter how primitive or futuristic humans become, culture is always going to be a part of them. And culture doesn't mean belief. Belief is a part of culture, but you can still be culturally German whether you are Muslim, Christian, or any other religion. 
    LibertineStates
  • edited February 23
    An idea doesn't become automatically justified because 'that's the way it always is.' People may not get along as years go on, but it's way better than willingly dividing ourselves. It isn't even that absurd to begin with, seeing as how people like Bill Hamid and Stephan El Sharaawy exist.
    Fascism
  • @LibertineStates Yes I agree that people should be trying to get along, but as I stated before, that is utopia. You can't expect everyone to get along. 
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