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Will we ever travel faster then light?

Opening Argument

NopeNope 297 Pts
Scientist are cheaters they like to cheat (kind of). NO I DON"T MEAN WHEN COLLECTING EVIDENCE. I mean when their is something scientist wan't to do something but the laws of nature don't seem to allow it they look for loop holes. Like racing light. They would never beet light in a fare race (traveling through the same path) because the speed of causality won't allow it. So of course they look for loop holes (like wormholes and warp drives). Will they be successful and beat light in a race? Or will we fall to the raining race champion (that we know of).

I just wanted to start a debate in the new space community scene it is kind of empty and I like science.



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  • PoguePogue 492 Pts
    We could never directly be faster than light. It is impossible with our current understanding of physics. An object with mass can not move faster than an object without it.  However, I think the real question should be "Will we ever be able to get to a place faster than light?" This is theoretically possible. We could use wormholes or warp drive if they were known to exist. Those are not proven science. So right now, the answer is no. 
    anonymousdebater
    I could either have the future pass me or l could create it. 

    “We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.” - Benjamin Franklin  So flat Earthers, man-made climate change deniers, and just science deniers.

    I friended myself! 
  • NopeNope 297 Pts
    exotic matter
  • @Nope ;

    Scientists do not cheat.

    They simply propose theories which they subsequently investigate.

    Wormholes and warp drives are nothing more than theoretical propositions.

    Without the capabilities and work of scientists, we would be still be living in caves and trees, with a life expectancy of twenty years or less.

    The first being that realised the potential and ability to create fire was a scientist.

    Every basic rudiment of our present technological state of existence, things that we take for granted. Are all available to us now because of the work of scientists.

    As for your question. 
    I would have to say No.  We will never be able to travel faster than light. Simply because our mass is to great.

    Not unless we can convert matter into a state of electromagnetic radiation and subsequently re-establish matter into it's original state (Teleporting)  and then we would only be travelling, possibly at the speed of light.

    But of course this proposition inevitably brings into play, the ultimate question. 

    That is to say.  Why/how does matter exist in the first place. 

    If we were ever to get to grips with this conundrum, then maybe anything would be possible.
    anonymousdebater
  • NopeNope 297 Pts
    Fredsnephew

    I am getting the feeling my question was worded poorly. What my question means is can we travel from point A to point B faster than light could not can we reach speeds faster than light. My apologize.
    I do not think we would still be in trees without scientist. Scientist are people who study an aspect of nature. How can you be sure that the first person to create fire did it from studding nature and just got lucky. You would need to know the first person who created fire.

    We will problem be able to create matter into electromagnetic radiation at some point. I don't see why that is not possible. I thought matter was energy.
    I was thinking scene the speed of causality is well the speed of causality we would just bend space. This would of course require negative energy. Will we ever get negative energy we need? Is their some other thing oreventing us from getting thier faster than light we don't know about?
  • @Nope ;
    Briefly, with regard to science and scientists.

    Just take a moment and look up the definition of science in a dictionary. The definition is in fact very simplistic. 

    That is to say. Anyone can be a scientist. 

    You do not need a laboratory or vast amounts of funding to be a scientist.


    You make lots of assumptions based upon probability and possibility and of course there is no way of rebutting probability and possibility.

    At this moment in time we just have to accept that, given our current levels of understanding and knowledge, we must conclude that it is unlikely we will ever be able to travel between points A and B  faster than light.

    A fascinating topic to discuss, but a topic of science fiction, rather than a topic of imminent probability.














    anonymousdebater
  • The aliens already do.
    anonymousdebater
    Be tomorrow's hero, not today's idol.
  • NopeNope 297 Pts
    The aliens already do.
    Not spicif. Any one not from Singapore is an Alien to Singapore. I think a better term would be some aliens. The aliens is not well defined.
  • EvidenceEvidence 445 Pts
    Nope said:
    Scientist are cheaters they like to cheat (kind of). NO I DON"T MEAN WHEN COLLECTING EVIDENCE. I mean when their is something scientist wan't to do something but the laws of nature don't seem to allow it they look for loop holes. Like racing light. They would never beet light in a fare race (traveling through the same path) because the speed of causality won't allow it. So of course they look for loop holes (like wormholes and warp drives). Will they be successful and beat light in a race? Or will we fall to the raining race champion (that we know of).

    I just wanted to start a debate in the new space community scene it is kind of empty and I like science.

    Hey @Nope Are we still on with this conversation, because I love science too, real science.

    First, in what medium are you asking that we travel faster than light in, .. in water, in air, in a free fall, in a Zero-G Plane, in a Zero-G plane with no air, or in a vacuum, .. where?

    Second, what kind of "light" are we talking about, the one that has mass, or massless, because I don't think 'science' knows about "light" enough to decide if it's massless or has mass.
     They do claim it travels, so according to that, IMHO it has to have mass, or light would be "instant" (can explain). Also if it has mass, then it will be effected by the Laws of Special Relativity like mass/weight gain, time dilation and length contraction, right? So until we find all this information on light, we can't calculate the effects our ship, or we who are in the ship will be experiencing, or what force we need (in the different mediums we'll be traveling through) to accelerate our ship?

    Let's take a 100 kilogram iron ball into a Zero-G plane (since BB-Space where the imaginary ISS supposed to be, is just sci-fi stuff, and you will not get any answers from Googling such questions, meaning they never do any experiments in this fake space)
    Now as the plane dives and that 100kg ball is floating with us, how much force does it take to move that ball?
    In other words, do you think we could move it with a fluffy feather, .. or with a simple push of our little finger, .. what? This is important to know to calculate how much force we would need to propel our ship to the speed of light!?

    * I know that I could move an 18 foot boat in calm water, with 6 people sitting in it along with a 120hp engine with my finger. But I can't find any answers to how much force is needed to move a 100kg. ball in space? You'd think this would be common general information by now, with all this space travel and all, .. right?

    Thank you.
  • Nope said:
    Scientist are cheaters they like to cheat (kind of). NO I DON"T MEAN WHEN COLLECTING EVIDENCE. I mean when their is something scientist wan't to do something but the laws of nature don't seem to allow it they look for loop holes. Like racing light. They would never beet light in a fare race (traveling through the same path) because the speed of causality won't allow it. So of course they look for loop holes (like wormholes and warp drives). Will they be successful and beat light in a race? Or will we fall to the raining race champion (that we know of).

    I just wanted to start a debate in the new space community scene it is kind of empty and I like science.

    It's unlikely. Both a wormhole and a warp drive would require exotic matter, specifically something with negative mass. While there's nothing which inherently disallows the existence of negative mass, it's never been observed.
  • EvidenceEvidence 445 Pts
    Nope said:
    Scientist are cheaters they like to cheat (kind of). NO I DON"T MEAN WHEN COLLECTING EVIDENCE. I mean when their is something scientist wan't to do something but the laws of nature don't seem to allow it they look for loop holes. Like racing light. They would never beet light in a fare race (traveling through the same path) because the speed of causality won't allow it. So of course they look for loop holes (like wormholes and warp drives). Will they be successful and beat light in a race? Or will we fall to the raining race champion (that we know of).

    I just wanted to start a debate in the new space community scene it is kind of empty and I like science.

    It's unlikely. Both a wormhole and a warp drive would require exotic matter, specifically something with negative mass. While there's nothing which inherently disallows the existence of negative mass, it's never been observed.

    @EmeryPearson yes, anything is possible in a fairytale, especially a sci-fi fairytale where FTL is possible. CERN has a whole team of sci-fi writers inventing all kinds of exotic matter like bosons, wormhole's, negative mass, dark energy, leptons, clip-ons and so on. They get billions a month inventing things like that, and of course praying, and asking others to direct their prayers towards CERN and their Lord Shiva.
    I bet every science fiction author in the world wishes to work for CERN or NASA, .. who wouldn't, for that kind of money!?

    EmeryPearson
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