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Is Modern Feminism a Joke in the First World?

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Common arguments:
Pay gap(in the U.S.)~ Location matters. If you look at the chart below, you see that major states have less pay gap

And compare it with the minimum wages of the top ten states
1. Washington D.C – $12.50/hr
2. Washington – $11.50/hr
3. California (Tie) – $11.00/hr
4. Massachusetts (Ties) – $11.00/hr
5. Arizona (Tie) – $10.50/hr
6. Vermont (Tie) – $10.50/hr
7. New York – $10.40/hr
8. Colorado – $10.20/hr
9. Connecticut (Tie) – $10.10/hr
10. Hawaii (Tie) – $10.10/hr
Also, compare it with the number of women who stay at home

Education~
Female education in the U.S. has increased dramatically.


Justice system~ The justice system treats males more harshly than females.
http://fcx.sagepub.com/content/7/2/146.short
It shows how females receive shorter sentences for sex crimes than men
Read more here:
https://journalistsresource.org/studies/government/criminal-justice/courts-lenient-sentencing-bond-women

Addition articles to read:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/storyline/wp/2014/12/11/women-are-dominating-men-at-college-blame-sexism/?utm_term=.07fd1fed5375
https://www.forbes.com/sites/karinagness/2016/04/12/dont-buy-into-the-gender-pay-gap-myth/#7c1287492596
https://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/showthread.php?t=4155241
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  1. Live Poll

    Is feminism a joke?

    14 votes
    1. Yes
      50.00%
    2. No
      50.00%
  2. Live Poll

    Do feminist exaggerate sexism?

    14 votes
    1. Yes
      78.57%
    2. No
      21.43%
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  • natbaronsnatbarons 133 Pts   -  
    Feminism should be stopped due to it potentially promoting an anti-male agenda.
    Zombieguy1987
  • someone234someone234 647 Pts   -  
    In the end, in the old true way of leadership, everyone worshipped the king and not the queen. The queen was to be loved, adored and the woman everyone would f*** the hell out of if they could get away with it.

    Then times changed. Even the females were less happy because men treated them less like things to be adored and more like equals and women hate being masculine.

    That being said, if a female is quite masculine minded they do make great leaders and if a male is quite feminine minded they make great nurses and house-husbands so it's also about the spectrum.

    I support sexism but I support a spectrum.

    Women are the gel of society, men are the thing that gives the gel purpose.
    BaconToes
  • someone234someone234 647 Pts   -  
    Very proud of this moment 

    PogueBaconToes
  • PoguePogue 584 Pts   -  
    @natbarons
    It is not an anti-male agenda. It supports equality of women with men. 
    I could either have the future pass me or l could create it. 

    “We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain .” - Benjamin Franklin  So flat Earthers, man-made climate change deniers, and just science deniers.

    I friended myself! 
  • MajoMILSdlGMGVMajoMILSdlGMGV 103 Pts   -  
    Like most things in this world, feminism began with a clear purpose and a good one at that, but then ignorance and stupidity come into the equation. A lot of women have taken feminism to extremes, this because women who hate men call themselves feminist, when in reality they are not, they just say they are without even believing in the cause at all. It also suddenly became a trend and again, people who don't know and don't believe in the real cause call themselves feminists and begin to act in name of the cause. People have manipulated and corrupted feminism and now it has in a way become a joke. 

    We see feminists in the streets attacking men, even men who fight for the same cause, because they have warped view of what feminism is. Feminist fight for equity or equality, not against men. They used to fight for women to be taken seriously and to be given the value and the voice that we deserve. It's a disappointment that the original cause feminists fought for has now been lost because of ignorance. 
    BaconToesZombieguy1987
  • AmpersandAmpersand 858 Pts   -  
    A varying paygap by state is still a paygap.

    It's true that women do receive advantages in terms of how they are sentenced, but that argument falls short for me because:

    1) It is an argument which only applies to a small fraction of individuals (criminals) and doesn't apply to the vast majority of people.

    2) It ignores the fact that feminists are after equality and therefore this is a difference they are looking to eradicate too

    3) It is an argument I have seen dozens of times, but only ever in the context of an excuse to ignore discrimination against women. I have never once seen anyone making this point bring up societal and prison reforms to help address this balance, only ever referencing the issue as a stick to beat feminists with.
  • someone234someone234 647 Pts   -   edited March 2018
    @Ampersand my case is that women actually dig dominance in men and men dig women appreciating their dominance.

    By men I mean masculine people and vice versa, I don't mean born with the xy or xx genitalia alone.

    Thus, feminism is seeking equality but feminine people are attracted to those higher up in inequality and masculine people thrive when they are the top of that food chain.

    In other words, equality makes women less attracted to men and makes men feel less manly.
  • VaulkVaulk 813 Pts   -  
    I'm really staggered by this but I actually agree with @someone234.  I don't think for a second that Women actually want to be equal to Men for the most part.  Granted Women might want some of the same things and they might want to equalize certain aspects of society to a higher degree of fairness...but I don't think they truly want it all to be equal.

    I don't really have time to explain the rationale for this but I'll come back to it later. 

     someone234 said:
    In other words, equality makes women less attracted to men and makes men feel less manly.
    So much this ^
    "If there's no such thing as a question then what kind of questions do people ask"?

    "There's going to be a special place in Hell for people who spread lies through the veil of logical fallacies disguised as rational argument".

    "Oh, you don't like my sarcasm?  Well I don't much appreciate your stup!d".


  • AmericanFurryBoyAmericanFurryBoy 531 Pts   -  
    I would like to say that I am completely okay with feminism. But I dont really agree with third wave feminists. Mostly because they push a more female in power instead of equality agenda. Again, I’m not saying I dont like feminism, I’m just saying i dont agree with the views of the third wave ones.
    Zombieguy1987BaconToes
    Not every quote you read on the internet is true- Abraham Lincoln
  • AmericanFurryBoyAmericanFurryBoy 531 Pts   -  
    Not every quote you read on the internet is true- Abraham Lincoln
  • MayCaesarMayCaesar 5966 Pts   -  
    Feminism is just an idea that women, who historically have been given a secondary role in the society, should have the role changed to the one equal to that of men. This idea is hardly a joke, and even the most tyrannical societies in the world (barring a few Sharia ones which do not conform with the Western idea of human rights), at least, try to pretend that they share the idea of feminism.

    However, as any other popular and politically powerful idea, it can be bent and twisted by various power groups to suit their agenda, which has little to do with feminism. One of the common manifestations of it is the "scientific field" called "feminist studies", which is a blatant pseudo-science and a way of a few powerful movements to establish a foothold on campuses around the world, where they can poison the youth with their ideas. There is no science in "feminist studies", it is a worthless field that does not produce any specialists qualified to work anywhere but serve the interests of those movements' leaders.

    Many individuals also take on a banner of "feminism" to propagate and market their personal horrible ideas, that have nothing to do with the actual feminism.

    But then, it all was pretty expected from the beginning. In the end, the vast majority of human rights activists are first and foremost concerned with their own rights. And when a human rights organization is tasked to defend the interests of a particular fraction of the population, rather than those of the entire population - then the selfishness of people is bound to result in advocacy for much more than just equality. This is just how the world works.
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