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The EPA is expected to roll back greenhouse gas emission and fuel economy standards for automobiles.
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By PoguePogue 519 Pts
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“We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.” - Benjamin Franklin  So flat Earthers, man-made climate change deniers, and just science deniers.

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  • The only reason renewable energy will always be better than fossil fuels is sustainability.

    Global warming is proven yes but the causality being fossil fuel extraction primarily is less proven... Only NASA likes to advocate this.

    Google HFC, HCDC, CFC and FC

    Yes you Google it. That is main cause of global warming. Factory production needs to be fought or somehow made filterable when it emits these chemical compounds but thejminati tell us our electricity is the main cause... Of course it is, of course it is.
    Pogue
    Be tomorrow's hero, not today's idol.
  • PoguePogue 519 Pts
    The only reason renewable energy will always be better than fossil fuels is sustainability.

    Global warming is proven yes but the causality being fossil fuel extraction primarily is less proven... Only NASA likes to advocate this.

    Google HFC, HCDC, CFC and FC

    Yes you Google it. That is main cause of global warming. Factory production needs to be fought or somehow made filterable when it emits these chemical compounds but thejminati tell us our electricity is the main cause... Of course it is, of course it is.
    Why is it the main cause? Carbon dioxide itself is a main driver of the warming. Carbon is the main driver right now because this warming period is man-made. Burning fossil fuels is not just used for electricity. It is used for production. Carbon has always led to higher temperatures. 
    I could either have the future pass me or l could create it. 

    “We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.” - Benjamin Franklin  So flat Earthers, man-made climate change deniers, and just science deniers.

    I friended myself! 
  • Pogue said:
    The only reason renewable energy will always be better than fossil fuels is sustainability.

    Global warming is proven yes but the causality being fossil fuel extraction primarily is less proven... Only NASA likes to advocate this.

    Google HFC, HCDC, CFC and FC

    Yes you Google it. That is main cause of global warming. Factory production needs to be fought or somehow made filterable when it emits these chemical compounds but thejminati tell us our electricity is the main cause... Of course it is, of course it is.
    Why is it the main cause? Carbon dioxide itself is a main driver of the warming. Carbon is the main driver right now because this warming period is man-made. Burning fossil fuels is not just used for electricity. It is used for production. Carbon has always led to higher temperatures. 
    Carbon is within CFC HFC etc... You aren't proving me wrong.
    Be tomorrow's hero, not today's idol.
  • PoguePogue 519 Pts
    Pogue said:
    The only reason renewable energy will always be better than fossil fuels is sustainability.

    Global warming is proven yes but the causality being fossil fuel extraction primarily is less proven... Only NASA likes to advocate this.

    Google HFC, HCDC, CFC and FC

    Yes you Google it. That is main cause of global warming. Factory production needs to be fought or somehow made filterable when it emits these chemical compounds but thejminati tell us our electricity is the main cause... Of course it is, of course it is.
    Why is it the main cause? Carbon dioxide itself is a main driver of the warming. Carbon is the main driver right now because this warming period is man-made. Burning fossil fuels is not just used for electricity. It is used for production. Carbon has always led to higher temperatures. 
    Carbon is within CFC HFC etc... You aren't proving me wrong.
    I know it is within it. But why is it that instead of fossil fuels?
    I could either have the future pass me or l could create it. 

    “We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.” - Benjamin Franklin  So flat Earthers, man-made climate change deniers, and just science deniers.

    I friended myself! 
  • PoguePogue 519 Pts

    Welp we are officially. Except for MN right now. We are getting 10-15 inches of snow right now.
    Well it being cold does destroy global warming. I deleted the curse word because I do not want that low considerate rating. LOL
    I could either have the future pass me or l could create it. 

    “We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.” - Benjamin Franklin  So flat Earthers, man-made climate change deniers, and just science deniers.

    I friended myself! 
  • someone234someone234 609 Pts
    edited April 14
    Pogue said:
    Pogue said:
    The only reason renewable energy will always be better than fossil fuels is sustainability.

    Global warming is proven yes but the causality being fossil fuel extraction primarily is less proven... Only NASA likes to advocate this.

    Google HFC, HCDC, CFC and FC

    Yes you Google it. That is main cause of global warming. Factory production needs to be fought or somehow made filterable when it emits these chemical compounds but thejminati tell us our electricity is the main cause... Of course it is, of course it is.
    Why is it the main cause? Carbon dioxide itself is a main driver of the warming. Carbon is the main driver right now because this warming period is man-made. Burning fossil fuels is not just used for electricity. It is used for production. Carbon has always led to higher temperatures. 
    Carbon is within CFC HFC etc... You aren't proving me wrong.
    I know it is within it. But why is it that instead of fossil fuels?
    The truth is to be studied, not spoon-fed. Find out by doing the googling I told.
    Be tomorrow's hero, not today's idol.
  • PoguePogue 519 Pts
    Pogue said:
    Pogue said:
    The only reason renewable energy will always be better than fossil fuels is sustainability.

    Global warming is proven yes but the causality being fossil fuel extraction primarily is less proven... Only NASA likes to advocate this.

    Google HFC, HCDC, CFC and FC

    Yes you Google it. That is main cause of global warming. Factory production needs to be fought or somehow made filterable when it emits these chemical compounds but thejminati tell us our electricity is the main cause... Of course it is, of course it is.
    Why is it the main cause? Carbon dioxide itself is a main driver of the warming. Carbon is the main driver right now because this warming period is man-made. Burning fossil fuels is not just used for electricity. It is used for production. Carbon has always led to higher temperatures. 
    Carbon is within CFC HFC etc... You aren't proving me wrong.
    I know it is within it. But why is it that instead of fossil fuels?
    The truth is to be studied, not spoon-fed. Find out by doing the googling I told.
    So, your evidence is that I should find it. Nice! I did google it. It said nothing about it being the main cause of man-made climate change. I even used https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0,33&q=main+causes+of+manmade+global+wa. What showed up that said anything except fossil fuels was methane. That is not more dominant than fossil fuels at causing it. 
    I could either have the future pass me or l could create it. 

    “We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.” - Benjamin Franklin  So flat Earthers, man-made climate change deniers, and just science deniers.

    I friended myself! 
  • @Pogue you are so smart, forgive me for daring to question your NASA findings. Do you know which organisation says what I say? Many.
    Be tomorrow's hero, not today's idol.
  • PoguePogue 519 Pts
    @Pogue you are so smart, forgive me for daring to question your NASA findings. Do you know which organisation says what I say? Many.
    And those organizations are?
    I could either have the future pass me or l could create it. 

    “We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.” - Benjamin Franklin  So flat Earthers, man-made climate change deniers, and just science deniers.

    I friended myself! 
  • Be tomorrow's hero, not today's idol.
  • PoguePogue 519 Pts
    So how does that prove it is the “main cause”? They do contribute to it. However, none of those sources say it is the main cause. This would mean that refrigerators and AC’s are the main causes.  
    I could either have the future pass me or l could create it. 

    “We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.” - Benjamin Franklin  So flat Earthers, man-made climate change deniers, and just science deniers.

    I friended myself! 
  • MayCaesarMayCaesar 582 Pts
    Well, coming from the part of the world where such standards do not exist, I do not miss the strong smell of gases and an airport-level noise on public streets. Modern First World cities are much more pleasant to be on, and the cars are much more pleasant to be in, partly because of the standards that require them to be more fuel-efficient and quiet, and for the fuel itself to be cleaner. Rolling back on those standards developing for over 45 years is a strange decision, to say the least, and I do not see how it benefits anyone - including the domestic car producers, who, thanks to the standards, do not have to compete with the sales of cars produced in countries devoid of these standards.

    In addition, as someone currently shopping for a car, MPG is one of the main characteristics for me, as I do not feel like spending a fortune on gasoline/diesel. It is awesome that we have so many cars nowadays with high MPG levels (40-50). I would not want to go back to 70-s, when fuel costs dominated the costs of cars themselves and their maintenance.
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