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There are only two genders
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Try me. Tell me there are more. Come with facts to. Your gender is whats in your pants and on your chest. Only two combinations for that. Unless your counting bigenders. They exist.
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  • CYDdhartaCYDdharta 1076 Pts
    edited April 2018
    Try me. Tell me there are more. Come with facts to. Your gender is whats in your pants and on your chest. Only two combinations for that. Unless your counting bigenders. They exist.
    When you refer to big-enders, do you mean people like Kim Kardashian?  I don't see how they rate their own special gender. 

    funperson
  • I identify as an attack helicopter ;)
    Zombieguy1987Whatdoyouwantfromme
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  • I identify as an attack helicopter ;)
    In society an attack helicopter is not a term that has set pronouns to refer to it in the form of a live human being, this causes it to be something that you first need to mainstream to truly expect people to identify you as given that neither 'he' she' or 'they' applies but instead 'it' does.
  • EmeryPearsonEmeryPearson 124 Pts
    edited May 2018
    Just depends on prespective. If you associate gender = biological sex, there are only two genders. If you associate gender = a collection of social and cultural norms, you'll likely find an 'other' catagory to exist.

    'Gender' simply isn't as specific as 'sex'.

    https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/gender

    https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/sex
    Plaffelvohfen
  • ethang5ethang5 117 Pts
    AmericanFurryBoy

    There are only two genders

    Yeah. Everyone knows that. So?


    ZeusAres42Whatdoyouwantfromme
  • AlecAlec 69 Pts
    Gender is not a social construct.  The male brain is different from the female brain according to the NIH(https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/nih-funded-study-reveals-how-differences-male-female-brains-emerge).  The article states, "From this developmental state, distinctly male or female features eventually emerge,” said Dr. Hobert."

    If this is due to how males and females were raised in one particular society, then explain why every society that has ever existed on this planet has had pretty much the exact same gender roles.  Males were interested in universally male things and females were interested in universally female things.  There were exceptions, but these exceptions were rare and the people who had them still identified with their biological sex.

    If gender is a social construct, then what does it mean to be a male and what does it mean to be a female?
  • @Alec this may be the most uninformed comment I have ever read on this site. In Scotland the men wear kilts, basically a skirt. Do you have an interest in that? In Victorian England it was common for men to wear lots of makeup, do you have an interest in that? In some African countries it's common for men who are friends to walk around with their pinkies locked together, do you have an interest in that? In Japanese Kabuki theatre it's been common for men to play the roles of women, do you have an interest in that?

    All these things I listed are common in their respective societies for males and not females. These are special circumstances, or rare things, they are as ingrained as men in America having an interest in sports. There is no such thing as universally male things in every society that has ever existed. Please educate yourself before you try to sound so sure of yourself next time.
    Plaffelvohfen
  • AlecAlec 69 Pts
    WordsMatter 

    I'll be willing to concede that some aspects of how people act are from society, such as how they dress in some countries.  However, men in virtually every society that has ever existed are:

    -More likely to be the "breadwinners" in the family.
    -More likely to be competitive.
    -More likely to be aggressive.
    -More likely to be fast and strong, as in primitive societies, they were the hunters.
    -More likely to be imprisoned because they are more likely to be violent.
    -More likely to be interested in sex.
    -More likely to want to be promiscuous.
    -Less likely to be into raising kids as women.
    -Less likely to take ample amounts of time off from work because of a sickness in the family, even when they earn less then their wives.



  • AlecAlec 69 Pts
    WordsMatter 

    I'll be willing to concede that some aspects of how people act are from society, such as how they dress in some countries.  However, men in virtually every society that has ever existed are:

    -More likely to be the "breadwinners" in the family.
    -More likely to be competitive.
    -More likely to be aggressive.
    -More likely to be fast and strong, as in primitive societies, they were the hunters.
    -More likely to be imprisoned because they are more likely to be violent.
    -More likely to be interested in sex.
    -More likely to want to be promiscuous.
    -Less likely to be into raising kids as women.
    -Less likely to take ample amounts of time off from work because of a sickness in the family, even when they earn less then their wives.



  • When you refer to one's gender you are referring to there biology. And judging it off whether they have something in their pants is a ludicrous idea. Because people can be born missing something or have something extra. But, when you boil it all down there is one ultimate defining factor. And that is the chromosomes; of which there are only two, you have the XX chromosome which has been labeled as the female chromosome by our society, and you have the XY chromosome which has been labeled the male. So for the leftist who try and argue so many things on the basis of science or as they often refer to it as "popular" science, your so commonly referenced source states that there are only two genders. And, no matter how many operations are performed on an individual and, no matter how much hormones you pump into them you will not change their gender their chromosomes the same. And they will define their being. And the social ideology that states that an individual can choose their gender is a ludicrous and poisonous idea. All moral ideologies need to have factual foundations to stand. And seeing as the facts about gender is found in science the multi-gender movement has no ground to walk on.
      I am not saying that people don't have a right to claim they are a boy or girl. All I am saying is that just because they say they are doesn't mean they are. So, don't attempt to make me or anyone else go against our better judgment and rebel against common sense by saying we need to except a man as a woman and a woman as a man or any other socialistic, "politically correct" gender.
  • MayCaesarMayCaesar 1653 Pts
    Rigorous science perfectly recognizes the phenomenon of gender dysphoria. Now, that phenomenon can be interpreted in two ways: it can be interpreted as the body tricking the brain into believing the person is of a certain gender, or the brain tricking the body into believing the person is of a certain gender. A biological male with a dysphoria can be seen as a female whose body is anomalous, or a male whose brain is anomalous. It all depends on whether the baseline for your judgment is the body and the brain, that is it.

    In the end, socially it doesn't matter, does it? If a person feels like a female and undertakes all the procedures to change their body accordingly, then the only reason to still call them a male would be a terminological stubbornness. I for one do not care what chromosomes anyone I interact with has; I do not use a microscope to look in their cells and decide what to call them before the interaction starts.

    It has nothing to do with "socialism" and other nonsense; it is a simple acceptance. Socialism is the opposite of acceptance. Socialism tells people what they are and what they have to do. People deciding for themselves who they are is the ultimate manifestation of individualism, and even if their decision can be criticized from the biological perspective, socially it is irrelevant.

    When you have blue eyes, but undertake the operation that gives your eyes green tint, then people will perceive your eyes as green and call you green-eyed. You may be "naturally" blue-eyed, but calling you green-eyed is not a mistake given the context. Similarly, calling a transwoman a woman is not a mistake in the context of the social interaction. It may be a mistake from the perspective of chromosomes, but I doubt a single person in the world makes a decision on what to call someone in personal interaction based on first investigating their cell structure. Or maybe someone does, but those people are so anti-social and weird that they might as well call a transwoman a flower, with no loss of the meaning.
    kevin_burkePlaffelvohfenWhatdoyouwantfromme
  • CYDdhartaCYDdharta 1076 Pts
    MayCaesar said:
    Rigorous science perfectly recognizes the phenomenon of gender dysphoria. Now, that phenomenon can be interpreted in two ways: it can be interpreted as the body tricking the brain into believing the person is of a certain gender, or the brain tricking the body into believing the person is of a certain gender. A biological male with a dysphoria can be seen as a female whose body is anomalous, or a male whose brain is anomalous. It all depends on whether the baseline for your judgment is the body and the brain, that is it.

    In the end, socially it doesn't matter, does it? If a person feels like a female and undertakes all the procedures to change their body accordingly, then the only reason to still call them a male would be a terminological stubbornness. I for one do not care what chromosomes anyone I interact with has; I do not use a microscope to look in their cells and decide what to call them before the interaction starts.
    Yeah, there are situations where it matters;

    In the United Kingdom, officials moved a convicted sex offender to female prison after he claimed to be transgender. He then sexually assaulted female
    ...
    Julia Beck, a reporter for the Women’s Liberation Front, testified in opposition to the bill. She said it would require female survivors of rape to share space with biological men in women’s shelters.
    https://www.reviewjournal.com/opinion/opinion-columns/victor-joecks/transgender-movement-has-become-a-war-on-women-1640693/




  • MayCaesarMayCaesar 1653 Pts
    @CYDdharta

    I was talking about regular social situations. When it comes to competitive sports or prisons, obviously things get more complicated. Although, for that matter, I have never understood why people in prisons should be separated by genders. If the prison security is good, then it does not matter. If it is not good, then improving it should be the primary concern of the prison administration.
  • This debate isn't about whether or not it should be socially acceptable for an individual who was born a man identifies as a woman or some other gender. The topic of this debate is are there only two genders. And when it comes down to it there are only two genders no matter what you label them to be.
    WhatdoyouwantfrommePlaffelvohfen
  • MayCaesarMayCaesar 1653 Pts
    @kevin_burke

    But these two are interconnected. If in the social context genders are somewhat fluid, then, again in the same social context, there is also no reason to assume that there are only two genders. There is infinity, in fact, as far as we are talking about it in a proper domain.

    Biologically, humans, indeed, have only two genders - however, nobody (as far as my knowledge tells me) exhibits the characteristics of only one gender, and everyone has certain traits from both genders. The vast majority of people's organisms are simply dominated by one gender traits, but there are exceptions, such as, for example, hermaphrodites.
    As such, strictly speaking, gender is a continuum between two extremes (maybe more, but the research on that is vague as of now). Practically speaking, it makes sense to split most people into two genders based on the predominant traits in them.

    This is hardly the only case in which social and scientific contexts lead to different outcomes. Think about such a basic thing as speaking as another example. Scientifically, our speech is just a set of sound waves and, hence, should not affect much. Practically, speech can even trigger wars, because we give more meaning to these sound waves than pure physics does. It is much the same with the matter in question, in my view.
    kevin_burke
  • @MayCaesar
    There is no such thing as female characteristic or a male characteristic. Only human characteristics. Just because woman tend to be more emotionally driven and a man is emotionally driven doesn't make him female. And men tend to be more aggressive and a woman is aggressive doesn't make her a man.
    There is no reason to identify as a gender that isn't what you are on a biological level. Because gender isn't what defines you as a person the morales in which you live by are what define you as a person.
    "Gender roles" are only in place to define our sexuality.
  • MayCaesarMayCaesar 1653 Pts
    edited April 16
    @kevin_burke

    Eh, no, I am not talking about the emotional components at all, but, rather, about the physical biological make-up. Chromosomes alone wary between humans, and there is even a small minority of humans with chromosomes that do not match any of the two genders at all and present either a third gender, or, more accurately, a hybrid of two genders. I mentioned hermaphrodites already, but there are also people who have rare chromosomes such as XXY, XYY, XXYY and probably other combinations I am not aware of.
    One way of looking at this is seeing it as a deviation from nature. Another is seeing it as a natural thing which we simply have not understood well yet. It is a matter of perspective.

    Gender roles are what is important in the society with regards to genders. Like I said, nobody cares what chromosomes you or I have. People care about completely different things, such as how masculine/feminine we are, mostly. I strongly prefer women to men, and that is not because of their chromosomes, but because of certain physical and behavioral traits they tend to have. However, if someone who was born a male, for all purposes, looks and acts how I would expect a woman to act, then I have no reason not to consider this person to be a woman as far as societal interaction goes. Biologically it is more complicated, but I am not a biologist, so it is not of that much importance to me.

    In practice, it really comes down to how we respond to someone identifying as something out-of-the-ordinary. I do not have any problem with someone saying that they are a third gender, or that they are a bigender, or that they are a non-gender, etc. I like people who know where they stand and aren't afraid of making it clear. I cannot read other people's minds, so I can never know how genuine their convictions are and how physically hardwired they are, so to speak. Hell, I am a pretty weird person in many regards, and I am proud of my weirdness, so why would I have anything against the perceived weirdness in others?

    It is when the victim card is pulled out that I start having an issue with the subject.
    Plaffelvohfen
  • kevin_burkekevin_burke 47 Pts
    edited April 16
    @MayCaesar
    It is clear that neither one of us are going to persuade the other. Because we have branched into a social area that completely depends on your ideology.
    I to hate when the victim card is used. They have the right to identify as who they chose to. I also have they right to refuse to acknowledge them as that. And when that right is infringed upon I don't take kindly to it. I call a spade a spade as I see it.
    I believe we both stand on the same side of things just look at them from different views.
    I'm not a biologist I only know what I've learned from high school. The triple and quadruple chromosomes are news to me and don't know what to think of them.
    It was an honor debating with you, and refreshing to hear someone from your side dabate with intelligence and understanding.
    Thankyou
    MayCaesar
  • MayCaesar
    So we both agree that biology states that there are only two genders?
     There are no characteristics confined to a single gender but the are traits that are found more often in one. Such as the stereotype that girls are emotionally driven. But, not all girls are;does that make them partially a boy? Or if a boy is emotionally driven; does that make him part girl? Or does it juist make them human.
    Gender isn't something that can be warped.
     We are all one in the same when it comes down to what we are made of. The dividing lines between humans and other species, that we have labeled as gender isn't there to be a factor to show who we are as people, but is there to give us a clear understanding of how we need to express our sexuality. 
    Gender doesn't define you the morales you chose to live by define you.
  • MayCaesar
    So we both agree that biology states that there are only two genders?
     There are no characteristics confined to a single gender but the are traits that are found more often in one. Such as the stereotype that girls are emotionally driven. But, not all girls are;does that make them partially a boy? Or if a boy is emotionally driven; does that make him part girl? Or does it juist make them human.
    Gender isn't something that can be warped.
     We are all one in the same when it comes down to what we are made of. The dividing lines between humans and other species, that we have labeled as gender isn't there to be a factor to show who we are as people, but is there to give us a clear understanding of how we need to express our sexuality. 
    Gender doesn't define you the morales you chose to live by define you.
    Whatdoyouwantfromme
  • edited April 18
    there are only two genders men and b*tch
    PlaffelvohfenWhatdoyouwantfromme
  • you can be male female or trans thats it
  • ZeusAres42ZeusAres42 206 Pts
    If by gender you mean sex then yes if in not all then definitely most cases there is only one sex which is a biological fact.

    If you're referring to a gendered brain then there is actually neuroscientific evidence that states that there is only one gendered brain. https://www.theguardian.com/science/2019/feb/24/meet-the-neuroscientist-shattering-the-myth-of-the-gendered-brain-gina-rippon

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