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Objective ethical values do exist and these are them

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Determination of process of objective justification

 

If the purpose is objectively justified ideas, the method has to be objective justification. The respective process has to be determined.

Justification has logical stations, (e.g : value, concept, law, social norm, application to specific situation)

the last one being the result of the justification, a maxime, (maxime in form law or social norm)

and the first one having to be objective facts. Any other kind of idea would either not be objective and thus fail to fulfill the purpose of objective justification (subjective facts, perception) or not be a fact and thus be an idea that has to be justified itself and thus cannot be the first station of objective justification (values, emotions).

A maxime has to have a basic value as origin. By consequence, between the first and the last station has to be a station that makes the transition from an objective fact to a basic value. (this intern process will be explained in the additional reflexion)

These three stations are the mandatory stations of objective justification in their given order. Practically applied, there can be a multitude of logical steps, in dependance of the specific situation. These logical steps will not be referred to as station.

 

Résumé : Process of objective jusitification =  Objective facts => Basic values => Maximes

 

Additional reflexion :

In order for a general fact to be correspondable to/by logical considerations result in a basic value, the general facts needs to fulfill specific conditions. The sub-set of objective facts that will be referred to as static facts. Static facts are facts that do not provoke active processes (e.g : P=m*g or distilled water is constituted by H2O). There is no imaginable consideration in which such a static fact results in a basic value. The complement of the sub-set of static facts (objective facts that are not static facts) is the sub-set of what will be referred to as dynamic facts. Dynamic facts are facts that do provoke active processes (e.g : natural selection(, whose controversy as objective fact is not of relevance, as this example is meant to fulfill the purpose of illustration)) Such a dynamic fact can potentially result in a basic value. (Considerations in which this is applied will be made in “Application of process of objective justification)

 

Résumé : Applicable objective facts : Dynamic facts (provoking active processes)

 

Application of process of objective justification

 

Objective dynamic fact : External selection.

A species is an ensemble of individuals that can reproduce inclusively and exclusively with other individuals of the same species. The individuals of each species share a set of genetic similarities. (Some of these genetic similarities can be the reason for which the respective individuals can only reproduce with other individuals of the same species or they can be the result of this circumstance.) This set of genetic similarities will be referred to as genetic pool.

It exists a set of species. (This is also correct if the set of species is an empty set. Even if their is no life, external selection simply applies to a set of species that happens to be an empty one. Therefore, this fact is permanent.)

A multitude of variables (food sources, habitats) in repetitive interaction with the genetic pool of the respective species determines its survival or its extinction.

The application of this process to every species will be referred to as external selection. (As a result of the interaction between the variables and the genetic pool of a given species, the species may become extinct and be taken out of the set of existing species, or it may survive and not be taken out of the set of existing species. Additionally, a new species may emerge.)

The species that survive are by definition the ones that have the genetic pool of the highest quality, its quality being defined in relationship to the multitude of variables that it is interacting with.

This external selection results in a qualitative improvement of what will be referred to as the overall genetic pool of the set of species, its quality being defined by the quality the respective genetic pools of all/each/every species.

 

Basic value : By logical consequence, each species has the basic value survival of the own species, being subdivisable into preservation and (preventive) expansion. For this purpose, the multitude of variables and the genetic pool are to be optimized in respect to this goal.

 

Basic value : By logical consequence, the set of species has the basic value improvement of its overall genetic pool. For this purpose, the external selection is to be optimized in respect to the qualitative improvement of the overall genetic pool of the set of species.

 

Objective dynamic fact : Internal selection.

A species is an ensemble of individuals that can reproduce inclusively and exclusively with other individuals of the same species. Each individual has a set of genetic caracteristics that he does not share inclusively with every other individual of the same species. This set of genetic caracteristics will be reffered to as genetic potential/identity.

It exists a set of individuals within a given species. Each individual corresponds to a bloodline such that the reproduction of the respective individual is the equivalent of the continuation of its bloodline and the absence of reproduction of the respective individual is the equivalent of the termination of its bloodline. (such as a parent and his kid share a same bloodline)

A multitude of variables (attractivity, survival) in repetitive interaction with the genetic potential/identity of the respective individual determines the continuation or termination of the respective bloodline.

The application of this process to every individual within a given species will be referred to as internal selection. (As a result of the interaction between the variables and the genetic potential/identity of a given individual, the corresponding bloodline may be terminated and be taken out of the set of bloodlines of the respective species, or it may be continued and not be taken out of the set of bloodlines of the respective species the species.)

The bloodlines that are continued are by definition the ones that correspond to the individuals that have the genetic potential/identity of the highest quality, its quality being defined in relationship to the multitude of variables that it is interacting with.

This internal selection results in a qualitative improvement of the genetic pool of the respective species.

 

Basic value : By logical consequence, each individual of a given species has the basic value continuation of the corresponding bloodline. For this purpose, the multitude of variables and the genetic potential/identity are to be optimized in respect to this goal.

 

Basic value : By logical consequence, each species has the basic value improvement of its genetic pool. For this purpose, the internal selection is to be optimized in respect to the qualitative improvement of the genetic pool of the respective species.

 

Objective dynamic fact : Possibility of ignorance.

The possibility exists of the existence of basic values that have not been determined within the framework of this book. (It could be speculated that the hypothetical awareness of these basic values would not be of impact. However, the probability of this not being the case is above 0, thus worthy of consideration.)

There is a multitude of potential reasons, being subdivisable into lack of scientific knowledge of the individual, which will be referred to as education, and lack of scientific knowledge of the community of the respective individual, which will be referred to as scientific level.

PREZISEIEREN WEIENG EDUCATION/SCIENCEN RELEVANT /SINN

 

Basic value : By logical consequence, these potential reasons are to be eliminated. For this purpose, education of every individual and scientific level of the community of the respective individual are to be improved.

 

Résumé : External & Internal selection & Possibility of ignorance => Preservation & Expansion & Genetic improvement of the own species & Education of the individual & Scientific level of the respective community




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46% (6 Points)



Votes: 2


Voting Format: Formal Voting

Rounds: 1

Time Per Round: 48 Hours Per Round


Voting Period: 72 Hours


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  • Round 1 | Position: For
    FabriceFabrice 17 Pts   -   edited July 2018
    I advocate for this to be true, for I do not see a logical mistake in my reasoning, considering that my reasoning is entirely based on logic. However, me not seeing logical mistakes does not exclude the possibility of others seeing logical mistakes or lacking consideration of ideas of whatever nature.

    I would like to advance an additional argument to this debate, however, this is not possible to me as my whole and only argument is the theory itself, except for potential counter-counter-arguments regarding counter-arguments.

    I'm keen on exchanging new ideas regarding this theory.
  • Round 1 | Position: For
    AlexOlandAlexOland 313 Pts   -  
    @Fabrice "Basic value : By logical consequence, each individual of a given species has the basic value continuation of the corresponding bloodline. For this purpose, the multitude of variables and the genetic potential/identity are to be optimized in respect to this goal."

     Firstly, this does not show an objective value. This only shows a subjective value that raises the chance of survival. Those who held this subjective value survived and those who did not died. You can not say a value is objective just because we evolved to have it.

     Secondly, if this is an objective value, try explaining this to a psychopath. If this was truly only based on logic, a psychopath would be able to understand it as well. But he will simply say "no" to your idea of every person wanting to protect it's kind.

     I was going to talk about your other points, but I would be repeating the same things. You assume these values to be objective just because they helped us survive. Which is not based on anything.
  • Round 1 | Position: Against
    AmpersandAmpersand 858 Pts   -  
    The pro position assumes that basic positions and ideas are accepted - a subjective assumption.

    I reject them.

    Ergo they are subjective.

    Ergo I win.
    DrCereal
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