Change my Mind: Whites are NOT RESPONSIBLE for mass school shootings

Agility_Dude

@someone234 school shootings are caused by people with psychiatric conditions, rather than because of a worse upbringing. For example, the shooter at the stoneman douglas high school shooting had been reported over 20 times by people who were concerned that he might do something violent, and he talked online about shooting up the school a few days before it happened.

Plus suicide rates go up for richer people, suggesting that white people would actually be more likely to commit shootings because they would be less happy. When we look across the crime rates, we consistently see that black people commit statistically more violent crime than white people. Maybe its a more aggressive nature?

@CheesusFarley now this doesn't mean that we should blame an entire race for the crimes of a small part of it, we should judge people as individuals rather than assume that everyone who is black is going to be more aggressive than everyone who is white. That would be racism and play into the leftist identity politics that has driven western society down a cliff.

someone234

https://www.statista.com/statistics/476456/mass-shootings-in-the-us-by-shooter-s-race/

Literally, one link and you're floored.

someone234

Your argument assumes that the percentage of maniacs per race is supposed to be so even that in the biggest it should be exactly that much of them. Unfortunately it doesn't quite work that perfectly when variation happens.

CheesusFarley

@someone234 how am I floored by the link?

someone234

@CheesusFarley White people by and large are generally RICHER in percentage of their amount in USA than the races that are not getting access to good upbringing, psychiatric care and basically are born to be either a gangster, a failure or a lucky enough high IQ genius to make do with bad education and get good grades anyway.

Sure, a few succeed differently by being businessmen, rappers and what-not but if you honestly think Black people and Latinos are 'crazier' you're just brainwashed by pro-white media.

Nathaniel_B

Although not "responsible" for school shootings, they are the most known race to do school shootings, its common that most school shooters are white.

CheesusFarley

@Nathaniel_B 'responsible' is more important than 'doing.' Whites are at a disadvantage by that argument even though they shouldn't. There are more whites than any other race in the U.S., so naturally, there will be more mass school shootings done by whites.

someone234

Agility_Dude said:

@someone234 school shootings are caused by people with psychiatric conditions, rather than because of a worse upbringing. For example, the shooter at the stoneman douglas high school shooting had been reported over 20 times by people who were concerned that he might do something violent, and he talked online about shooting up the school a few days before it happened.

Plus suicide rates go up for richer people, suggesting that white people would actually be more likely to commit shootings because they would be less happy. When we look across the crime rates, we consistently see that black people commit statistically more violent crime than white people. Maybe its a more aggressive nature?

Do you realise that there's such a thing as an upbringing where one couldn't afford a psychiatrist and attended a school where bullying was brutal and unmonitored on the regular?

CheesusFarley

@Agility_Dude exactly.

Nathaniel_B

Darn, I accidentally made two comments instead of one.

Agility_Dude

@someone234

Yes, there are people who experience lives like that but that does not necessarily cause violent tendencies. What about people like Rosa Parks and Malala Yousafzai who stood up for themselves in societies where they were abused? There are things that need to happen in order for someone to go shoot up a school. Either an extreme amount of anger or a numbing to violence, usually with an existing condition. As far as I know, all of the school shooters had some existing condition that caused them to become violent. Even people who are subject to violent video games can do this regardless of their well being. Years ago, I was having a water gun fight with a neibor who plays games such as GTA, only to get a tennis ball chucked at my face. He didn't even care and it's because of the numbing of violence that violent thoughts or in this case, realistic violent video games cause.

Yes, there may be some other factors as well such as bullying which can encourage people with these existing conditions to cause the shootings, such as in the example I gave the highschoolers who advocated after for gun control admitted to bullying the shooter, but not physical. But it was the existing condition that would have caused him to do the shooting in the first place.

someone234

Agility_Dude said:

@someone234

Yes, there are people who experience lives like that but that does not necessarily cause violent tendencies. What about people like Rosa Parks and Malala Yousafzai who stood up for themselves in societies where they were abused? There are things that need to happen in order for someone to go shoot up a school. Either an extreme amount of anger or a numbing to violence, usually with an existing condition. As far as I know, all of the school shooters had some existing condition that caused them to become violent. Even people who are subject to violent video games can do this regardless of their well being. Years ago, I was having a water gun fight with a neibor who plays games such as GTA, only to get a tennis ball chucked at my face. He didn't even care and it's because of the numbing of violence that violent thoughts or in this case, realistic violent video games cause.

Yes, there may be some other factors as well such as bullying which can encourage people with these existing conditions to cause the shootings, such as in the example I gave the highschoolers who advocated after for gun control admitted to bullying the shooter, but not physical. But it was the existing condition that would have caused him to do the shooting in the first place.

What you are conceding is that the tendency to become a mass shooter is not racial (at all) but based on means available and upbringing up to the point of pulling that trigger. The development of the person is nearly zero percent based on their race and based far more on their economic class as well as cultural harshness from parent to child as well as peers to one another. This was all I was trying to prove. The reason less whites out of the white population are mass shooters is that less whites, out of the white population, are poor or in rough schools and neighbourhoods.

Agility_Dude

@Someone234 That's fair

CheesusFarley

@someone234 in that case, I agree with you. But my point was that people are wrong when they say whites are responsible for school shootings. Drives me nuts, and I'm not even white.

someone234

CheesusFarley said:

@someone234 in that case, I agree with you. But my point was that people are wrong when they say whites are responsible for school shootings. Drives me nuts, and I'm not even white.

They are for some.

Applesauce

CheesusFarley said:

@someone234 in that case, I agree with you. But my point was that people are wrong when they say whites are responsible for school shootings. Drives me nuts, and I'm not even white.

individuals are arrested and commit crimes not "whites"  perhaps they meant wights?  There's probably a word for condemning or holding an entire people responsible for the actions of individuals who happen to have similar skin color.  Think this past weekend was a record breaking (or close to it) weekend in Chicago, and not for anything good.  Do we blame the entire group who happens to look like them or the horrible situation and individuals that were responsible?  Seems like a no brainier to me, though as this issue keeps popping up, even in the media it really makes me wonder if people prefer to be divisive rather than holding individuals accountable for their actions.

MayCaesar

I fail to see what race can possibly have to do with this. For example, in Norway the only mass shooting in history was performed by Breivik, a guy as white as a snowman - but he acted on his own, why should other members of the same race share responsibility for what happened? 

People perform mass shootings when they are incredibly frustrated with something and see no better way to make a point. Race can be a factor here in that racial tensions could frustrate people of specific races more than others, but ultimately each shooter acts on their own and for their own reasons.