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Persuade Me: I'm a homophobe but I'm not immoral
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By Ultimate7002Ultimate7002 19 Pts edited November 2018
Male on male homosexuality is absolutely repulsive and I want nothing to do with it. In the same way that you might not want anything to do with someone who puts crap in their mouth.

What's wrong with this?
Nathaniel_BJackNewtonZombieguy1987



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  • someone234someone234 620 Pts
    edited November 2018
    @Ultimate7002 What would you do to ensure you have 'nothing to do with it' if you had the power to change laws and enforce punishment?
  • @someone234 Nothing, because I wholeheartedly respect one's freedom to engage in disgusting behaviour. I just wouldn't want them near me.
  • If your not gay, that's okay.  However, do you want to prohibit gays from getting married?
    Zombieguy1987
  • I would not say it is wrong per se. It is, however, very limiting and restrictive, and there are situations in which this kind of attitude may set you back. For example, if there is a job you are really interested in and the employer is willing to take you in, but the boss happens to be homosexual and that forces you to reject the offer - then you just lost a great opportunity over something trivial.

    Me, I do not mind anything other people do, whether in private or out in the open - as long as that "anything" does not infringe on anyone else's freedoms. I am okay with people smoking or drinking in public, I am okay with people having sex in public, I am okay with people performing consensual fist fights in public - do what you want, folks, just keep the road clear, so I could get to my destination in peace.

    If you employ this kind of attitude, you will find that, free from any prejudice, you suddenly see opportunities everywhere, as opposed to psychological obstacles. But it is also not for everyone, and it is important to keep a very open mind and to respect individualism to be able to practice it.
    WordsMatterZombieguy1987Polaris95Edgar
  • @Ultimate7002 You are disgusting if you think love is wrong, and you posted this to troll us all.
    Nathaniel_BZombieguy1987
  • Ultimate7002Ultimate7002 19 Pts
    edited November 2018
    @MayCaesar That's a good point. But on the other hand, there's an overabundance of straight employers - something like that wouldn't really be a huge concern.
    Nathaniel_B
  • WordsMatterWordsMatter 410 Pts
    edited November 2018
    Is this restricted to purely male-male relationships, or are you just as disgusted by female-female? Or do you happen to love female-female porn? And where does a bisexual man fall? If a man had gay sex once and wasn't interested anymore how would you deal with them? or if a man is currently monogamous with a female partner but is still interested in both men and women where do they fall?

    I gotta agree with @MayCaesar if you want to say bad things about gays or not associate with them that's fine as long as you don't want to restrict their freedoms. In the same vein even if to follow the above statement I'm still going to think of and call you a close minded ahole bigot and not associate with you. It goes both ways and that's fair for each side.
    Zombieguy1987
  • @WordsMatter It's restricted purely to male on male homosexuality, yes. I should've specified that.

    A bisexual man is the same story.

    A formerly gay person is different, I guess.
  • @Ultimate7002 so a bisexual man married to a woman and only ever having sex with her is still an issue to you?
  • @WordsMatter Well, if he never or rarely gives in to his homosexual urges then, perhaps, I can make an exception for him.
  • Ultimate7002Ultimate7002 19 Pts
    edited November 2018
    @YeshuaBought Why'd you tag me without saying anything? Also, did you report my comment telling you to piss off? LOL.
  • @Ultimate7002 very interesting. Also how do you feel about visiting the state of Colorado now that they elected an openly gay governor?
  • @Ultimate7002 so a bisexual man married to a woman and only ever having sex with her is still an issue to you?

    If you only ever have sex with a woman, are you really bisexual?
  • @CYDdharta you can be. Sexuality is about attraction not actions. You can be straight and a virgin.
  • @CYDdharta you can be. Sexuality is about attraction not actions. You can be straight and a virgin.

    But how attracted are you really if you never act on it?
    WordsMatterPolaris95Zombieguy1987
  • @Ultimate7002

    Why are lesbian relations fine, but not gay relations?
  • MayCaesarMayCaesar 1257 Pts
    edited November 2018
    @CYDdharta ;

    I am attracted to people of both genders, although heavily prefer women - nonetheless, I have never had a romantic partner and am not particularly interested in having one. Physical/mental attraction is one thing; crossing it with your life goals is another. Unless I meet someone really special who sweeps me off my feet, I am not willing to sacrifice my personal freedom and lack of responsibility before anyone but me - in favor of something that is not particularly appealing to me in the first place.

    It hardly means that I lack any sexuality. Rather, it means that I do not let my sexuality interfere with my lifestyle. Same goes, for example, for married people who refuse to have sex with anyone but their partner, whether they are attracted to other people or not. Or for those who have some hobbies that are much more interesting to them than romantic/sexual affairs.

    It is strange that this needs to be explained, but here it is.
    Polaris95Zombieguy1987
  • MayCaesar said:
    @CYDdharta ;

    I am attracted to people of both genders, although heavily prefer women - nonetheless, I have never had a romantic partner and am not particularly interested in having one. Physical/mental attraction is one thing; crossing it with your life goals is another. Unless I meet someone really special who sweeps me off my feet, I am not willing to sacrifice my personal freedom and lack of responsibility before anyone but me - in favor of something that is not particularly appealing to me in the first place.

    It hardly means that I lack any sexuality. Rather, it means that I do not let my sexuality interfere with my lifestyle. Same goes, for example, for married people who refuse to have sex with anyone but their partner, whether they are attracted to other people or not. Or for those who have some hobbies that are much more interesting to them than romantic/sexual affairs.

    It is strange that this needs to be explained, but here it is.

    What's the point of this post, to profess your bisexuality?  Is this your way of coming out of the closet?
  • @CYDdharta Because male on male relations are vile?
  • @Ultimate7002

    You're "oppinion" is irrelevant regardless! Society at large is who defines social structures. Take your hate crimes and piss off! 
  • @Ultimate7002 ;

    not all homosexuals engage in anal sex if that's what you're repulsed by, even less of them "puts crap in their mouth" there's straight people who have anal sex and are into scat.
    if you think homosexuality is bad and you don't like it the its down to you, that is your opinion but know this, its part of modern society and it would be wrong to discriminate against homosexuals.

    and why are male on male relationships vile?
     
  • Lesbian sex is fine because males can enjoy and jack off to it. However, there isn’t many females getting horny to gay sex.
    Sovereignty for Kekistan
  • WordsMatterWordsMatter 410 Pts
    edited December 2018
    @AmericanFurryBoy ;https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/when-no-one-looking-many-women-are-watching-gay-porn-n894266 turns out women do like gay porn. Also that's hilarious that lesbian sex is ok because males like it, doesn't matter to you if the females actually engaging in it enjoy it or not.
  • MayCaesarMayCaesar 1257 Pts
    edited December 2018
    @AmericanFurryBoy

    https://www.pornhub.com/insights/popular-with-women

    "Gay" category on the most popular adult content website in the world is 15th most popular category among women. Not the 1st or the 2nd, but still incredibly popular, given that there are literally hundreds categories over there.

    https://www.esquire.com/lifestyle/sex/news/a52061/most-popular-porn-searches/

    Among men, "Lesbian" is the 6th most popular category. So, indeed, in general a higher fraction of men enjoy lesbian sex, than the fraction of women that enjoy gay sex - but the difference is not exactly breathtaking.

    Interestingly, "Lesbian" is the most popular category among women, by far. Even more so, 3 times as many women enjoy watching lesbian sex, than men do. Probably because women overall are much less prejudiced against these things than men: it is not that uncommon for close female friends to hug tightly or even kiss playfully, while among men in most cultures that is strictly prohibitive. It is not a stretch to assume that many even straight women can enjoy watching - if not doing - lesbian sex.


  • IMHO... There are only two considerations; 
    1) Are you doing harm to another, and 
    2) Can you do the job? 
    Everything else is a matter of social norms, which change. 
    I personally dislike the image of homosexuality, but in the same vent, I dislike the image of my parents having sex. My only valid objection though, is that it's icky. What goes on behind closed doors is none of our business, unless it's hurting someone. We might say it hurts our sensibilities, but then why are we envisioning other people's private doings?
    Taking a step outside of those private chambers, we then need to ask, are they harming anyone, and can they do the job? 
    When being gay, or too tall, or tattooed, or whatever, is hurting others, or they can't do the job others can, or are even violating social norms, then you might have a case. But again social norms change as we loosen up and start to realise that there is no harm being done.
    So, show me the harm...
  • @Gian_Greene

    If there not violating the law, what does it matter if they're violating social norms? "Social norms" aren't laws.
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