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Is modern conservativism a mental disease?
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    Is modern conservativism a mental disease?

    11 votes
    1. Yes
      18.18%
    2. No
      81.82%
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Socialism/Communism are great on paper, but all you need to do is look at Venezuela or North Korea see why these economic systems fail

Repealing the Second Amendment is the first step to Totalitarianism, and it needs to be prevented to protect our freedom 

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  • There are more sensible conservatives now than there were in the 20th century. 
    Nathaniel_BApplesauce
    "Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God? " ~Epicurus

    "Americanism not Globalism, will be our credo." ~Donald Trump

    "A communist is like a crocodile" ~Winston Churchill
  • There are more sensible conservatives now than there were in the 20th century. 
    And who would those be? 
    https://www.google.com/search?q=victims+of+religion&safe=active&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=x&ved=0ahukewihu9jugorfahwkmeakhbtib00q_auidigb&biw=1920&bih=963&safe=active

    Socialism/Communism are great on paper, but all you need to do is look at Venezuela or North Korea see why these economic systems fail

    Repealing the Second Amendment is the first step to Totalitarianism, and it needs to be prevented to protect our freedom 

    http://www.atheistrepublic.com/
  • George_HorseGeorge_Horse 422 Pts
    edited December 2018
    There are more sensible conservatives now than there were in the 20th century. 
    And who would those be? 
    I could not exactly provide a list, but I would give it in the order of the following people:


    • Tucker Carlson
    • Mark Dice
    • Paul Joseph Watson
    • Ben Shapiro
    • Sheriff Clarke
    • Jeanine Pirro
    • Sean Hannity
    • Jordan Peterson
    • Stefan Molyneux
    • Tommy Robinson
    • Steve Crowder
    • Dinesh D'Souza



    These are some favorable fellow conservatives that I like the most.
    Nathaniel_BApplesauceSilverishGoldNovaZombieguy1987
    "Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God? " ~Epicurus

    "Americanism not Globalism, will be our credo." ~Donald Trump

    "A communist is like a crocodile" ~Winston Churchill
  • There is an ongoing strange logic circle here. Libs tells us we used to be more moral when the party was further right, while they move further left, and so do we.
    George_Horse
  • @George_Horse

    Does anyone even follow the traditional conservative ideology anymore? None of the people you named would be considered a conservative by Edmund Burke, I can promise you that. 
    Zombieguy1987piloteer
  • Conservatism, modern or not, is based on the idea that traditions and rituals have a value in themselves, just because they exist. Conservatism rejects logical approach and employs collectivist traditionalist approach instead. It is not a mental disease, but it is a way of thinking that has nothing to do with progress, technological or societal.

    Libertarianism, however, is a very solid ideology. Sometimes libertarianism is called "conservatism" by people, but it has little in common. Libertarianism does not look back; it looks forward, towards the economics of the future, where the governments do not interfere in people's affairs, and individuals interact directly economically, without any apparent mediators, and definitely without the bureaucrats running the show.

    Among prominent libertarians, I could mention many names, but I do not think anyone has ever outdone Ayn Rand. She simply got everything right, and, unlike many solid economists such as Milton Friedman, her system is more than something that maximizes the efficiency; it is something that is both economically and morally right. The idea that compassion must come from self-love followed by projection, rather than from some "objective good" notion, is extremely empowering, and accepting it opens all the doors in life to the individual. The idea that self-love is good, that greed is good, that individual success is good - this is what made America what it is a long time ago, and this is what will (hopefully) get it on top of the world once again in the future, when the current socialist and nationalist waves die out.

    So vote for people like Rand Paul. Many call him a conservative, and while it is not so in reality, if that is the label that makes it easier for people to accept him - then might as well call him that. Choose people who promote individual liberty and reject collectivism and other authoritarian ideologies, and this way we can save the ideas of the Founding Fathers from melting in the pot of authoritarian ideologies.
    Zombieguy1987piloteer
  • There are more sensible conservatives now than there were in the 20th century. 
    And who would those be? 
    I could not exactly provide a list, but I would give it in the order of the following people:


    • Tucker Carlson
    • Mark Dice
    • Paul Joseph Watson
    • Ben Shapiro
    • Sheriff Clarke
    • Jeanine Pirro
    • Sean Hannity
    • Jordan Peterson
    • Stefan Molyneux
    • Tommy Robinson
    • Steve Crowder
    • Dinesh D'Souza



    These are some favorable fellow conservatives that I like the most.
    You forgot Kanye and Candace Owens.  :smiley:
    George_Horse
    “Communism is evil. Its driving forces are the deadly sins of envy and hatred.” ~Peter Drucker 

    "It's not a gun control problem, it's a cultural control problem."
    Bob Barr
  • @MayCaesar

    Aya Rand ? Come now, there are far better examples of libertarian political theorist then her. She simply took Marx's writings and disagreed with everything he said, she never contributed anything new in that regard. Robert Nozick on the other hand, is considered the father of contemporary libertarianism for his work on several topics for example self ownership. Also Rand Paul is a libertarian? I had absolutely no idea that was the case. 
    piloteer
  • George_HorseGeorge_Horse 422 Pts
    edited December 2018
    @Nathaniel_B Ahhhh yes them too! :smiley:
    "Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God? " ~Epicurus

    "Americanism not Globalism, will be our credo." ~Donald Trump

    "A communist is like a crocodile" ~Winston Churchill
  • @McSloth

    I seriously doubt someone like her would pay any attention to Marx and his "ideas", past reading a short overview of them, shaking head and moving on. Marx is like Lenin, Hitler, Pol Pot and Mussolini: his narrative is easily destroyed by challenging several of his postulates, and the only reason anyone at all follows them is because, to some people, they "feel" good - but logically they make little sense. She escaped Soviet Union soon after revolution; she did not need to read Marx to know where those kinds of ideas lead, as she saw it with her own eyes.

    Ayn Rand's teachings are not for everyone; they require a strong stomach to digest, because they strike right at the center of everything society tries to force on its members. To most people, reading her writings requires to go through the process of "Everything you have been told was wrong. Let me show you a better way". For me, it was easy to get into them, since my nature was strongly aligned with her values to begin with, and I had similar ideas to hers long before I even knew who she was.

    The fact that you even compare someone like Marx to her shows where your alignment lays, and it is no wonder that you would not appreciate her ideas for what they are.

    That said, she is no genius; she simply was a pioneer in the way to look at the world (and to champion it) which could not really take off in the world before, the world full of totalitarian ideologies, religions and dictators. In my view, everyone who gives any regard to the human individual, rather than thinking everyone a means to some "end", will not need to read her, because they already got the core right.
  • I am a liberal and a conservative. Both have strengths and weaknesses.
    Zombieguy1987
  • I'm an independent. 
    Zombieguy1987
  • piloteerpiloteer 243 Pts
    edited December 2018
    @McSloth

    I don't know anybody who considers Robert Nozick the "father of contemporary libertarianism", I know countless people who consider Ayn Rand the mother of modern libertarianism. And she didn't just reverse everything Karl Marx said, she created a very detailed philosophy with an epistemological and metaphysical approach. If your basing your opinion of Ayn Rand on her terrible fiction novels (because they were terrible) then perhaps you should revisit her philosophy and give it a closer look. I'm a libertarian and frankly, I never heard of this Nozick character until you mentioned him. I read a few blurbs of his and so far, I'm fairly underwhelmed. 

    "@MayCeaser ;

    Traditional conservativism (I just realized how redundant those two words are together, but I'm gonna keep them there) didn't use collectivism as a principal. Progressivism, communism, and socialism all used collectivism as their basis. Conservativism was geared to resist those views. Leave us not forget the anti-communist sentiment that ruled the 50s. That sentiment was fueled by conservativism. Modern conservativism is an oxymoron. CONSERVATIVISM IS DEAD!!!!!
    George_Horse
  • piloteer said: CONSERVATIVISM IS DEAD!!!!!


    Good joke!  :joy: No wonder I cannot befriend you! 
    Zombieguy1987
    "Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God? " ~Epicurus

    "Americanism not Globalism, will be our credo." ~Donald Trump

    "A communist is like a crocodile" ~Winston Churchill
  • piloteerpiloteer 243 Pts
    edited December 2018
    Zombieguy1987
  • @piloteer



    top jej. Can't tell If you assume that is how I am, but I know you may still be in your parents basement. :joy: I have lots of friends with a well-paying job, I don't know about you though. 
    Zombieguy1987
    "Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God? " ~Epicurus

    "Americanism not Globalism, will be our credo." ~Donald Trump

    "A communist is like a crocodile" ~Winston Churchill
  • George_HorseZombieguy1987
  • Zombieguy1987piloteer
    "Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God? " ~Epicurus

    "Americanism not Globalism, will be our credo." ~Donald Trump

    "A communist is like a crocodile" ~Winston Churchill
  • @George_Horse

    All over Europe, Asia, Africa, and South America conservative candidates are winning.

    And this genius says conservatism is dead? Lol.
    Zombieguy1987
  • piloteer said:
    @McSloth

    I don't know anybody who considers Robert Nozick the "father of contemporary libertarianism", I know countless people who consider Ayn Rand the mother of modern libertarianism. And she didn't just reverse everything Karl Marx said, she created a very detailed philosophy with an epistemological and metaphysical approach. If your basing your opinion of Ayn Rand on her terrible fiction novels (because they were terrible) then perhaps you should revisit her philosophy and give it a closer look. I'm a libertarian and frankly, I never heard of this Nozick character until you mentioned him. I read a few blurbs of his and so far, I'm fairly underwhelmed. 

    "@MayCeaser ;

    Traditional conservativism (I just realized how redundant those two words are together, but I'm gonna keep them there) didn't use collectivism as a principal. Progressivism, communism, and socialism all used collectivism as their basis. Conservativism was geared to resist those views. Leave us not forget the anti-communist sentiment that ruled the 50s. That sentiment was fueled by conservativism. Modern conservativism is an oxymoron. CONSERVATIVISM IS DEAD!!!!!
    While i dislike Conservativism, i don't think it's dead...
    https://www.google.com/search?q=victims+of+religion&safe=active&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=x&ved=0ahukewihu9jugorfahwkmeakhbtib00q_auidigb&biw=1920&bih=963&safe=active

    Socialism/Communism are great on paper, but all you need to do is look at Venezuela or North Korea see why these economic systems fail

    Repealing the Second Amendment is the first step to Totalitarianism, and it needs to be prevented to protect our freedom 

    http://www.atheistrepublic.com/
  • Calling an ideology a mental disease is grossly unprofessional. Neither side should be accusing the other of such blatant nonsense.

    Since when was opinion and belief a mental disease? This goes for either side, and it's often best not to fight fire with fire. If conservatives accuse a liberal of something simply false, there is no justness in reciprocating. The same goes vice versa. You would think a fine, considerate man or woman would know better than to act so childish.

    This blame game is only a testament to the pointless division between Conservatives and Liberals based on emotion rather than legitimate consideration.
    Zombieguy1987cheesycheese
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