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Gun control without the need for laws
in Politics

By ApplesauceApplesauce 172 Pts
I have little faith in the government and it's ability to control criminals with laws, the war on drugs is a pretty good example.
So what are some things that could be done without having to worry about passing laws?
A thought I have had for a while would be empower people and give them some control.
Many crimes are actually public knowledge and some states even have searchable data bases.  There are countless sites adverstising for background checks for a fee.
If this process and check was made more readily available and easier this would essentially solve the "universal background check" issue.  A responsible law abiding gun owner would never want to sell a gun to someone who shouldn't have one, why not make it extremely easy for them to make sure that they don't?  
Removing the hassle and financial barriers to what is already available and in most cases free is a no brainier.
This idea that I have to have an adult child or parent do a background check before I sell or give them a gun is a joke.  You see you can "loan" a gun to anyone without a background check for how ever long I choose to loan it out, it's up to me and no one's business.  If you can't see the easy ways around this silliness you have far too much faith in laws.  Instead have faith in the honest people, make it easier for them to do the right thing, and they will.
Zombieguy1987
"I'm just a soul whose intentions are good
Oh Lord, please don't let me be misunderstood"
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  • TTKDBTTKDB 261 Pts
    edited January 11
    What is wrong with laws in regards to gun control?

    If a citizen is willing to commit a crime with a gun, then they should be willing, to be judged according to the laws of the United States.

    If a citizen kills an innocent person with a gun, then they will be welcomed by the laws that they broke by killing an innocent person or a group of innocent people, via a mass shooting.

    Why should any gun owner, get to dictate to the rest of the public, by how they view a law, that was created because of an offenders or a criminals inhumane gun violence?

    The catch about gun violence, a pro gun crowd individual, can defend their right to own their own guns, but when an offender or criminal commits a crime with a gun, that gun can't be defended by the pro gun crowd individual, and that's why the gun laws work, because the gun laws deservedly hold the offenders and criminals responsible for their gun violence crimes, and it takes those guns, off of the streets, along with the offender and the criminals.

    The gun laws serve a peaceful, peace seeking public, who deserve their individual rights not to be to infringed on, by an offenders or criminals abuse of the gun laws, or by their abuse of the Second Amendment.

    If some, maybe have an issue or issues, with the weapons laws in their locality, state, or with the United States in general, I would suggest getting an attorney, and stating ones disagreements with either the highest court in their own state, or maybe by having their disagreement expressed before the SCOTUS, itself? 
    ApplesauceZombieguy1987
  • TTKDB said:
    What is wrong with laws in regards to gun control?

    If a citizen is willing to commit a crime with a gun, then they should be willing, to be judged according to the laws of the United States.

    If a citizen kills an innocent person with a gun, then they will be welcomed by the laws that they broke by killing an innocent person or a group of innocent people, via a mass shooting.

    Why should any gun owner, get to dictate to the rest of the public, by how they view a law, that was created because of an offenders or a criminals inhumane gun violence?

    The catch about gun violence, a pro gun crowd individual, can defend their right to own their own guns, but when an offender or criminal commits a crime with a gun, that gun can't be defended by the pro gun crowd individual, and that's why the gun laws work, because the gun laws deservedly hold the offenders and criminals responsible for their gun violence crimes, and it takes those guns, off of the streets, along with the offender and the criminals.

    The gun laws serve a peaceful, peace seeking public, who deserve their individual rights not to be to infringed on, by an offenders or criminals abuse of the gun laws, or by their abuse of the Second Amendment.

    If some, maybe have an issue or issues, with the weapons laws in their locality, state, or with the United States in general, I would suggest getting an attorney, and stating ones disagreements with either the highest court in their own state, or maybe by having their disagreement expressed before the SCOTUS, itself? 

    Ugh. Another off topic argument!

    N.E.X.T.!

    https://www.google.com/search?q=victims+of+religion&safe=active&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=x&ved=0ahukewihu9jugorfahwkmeakhbtib00q_auidigb&biw=1920&bih=963&safe=active

    Socialism/Communism are great on paper, but all you need to do is look at Venezuela or North Korea see why these economic systems fail

    Repealing the Second Amendment is the first step to Totalitarianism, and it needs to be prevented to protect our freedom 

    http://www.atheistrepublic.com/
  • There's gonna be a whole lot of people ready to sell guns to criminals without running a background check. Chicago for example. People go way outside the city, buy up a bunch of guns, take the serial numbers off and then sell them to criminals in the hood at a marked up cost.

    The way I would go about indirect gun control would be to get better mental healthcare to areas with high crime rate, but that's probably too socialist. I would put in big tax breaks for businesses to hire low income employees giving a better option over crime. I would go the opposite way and let federal criminal status be private so Ex cons can get work and not just stay in a cycle of committing crime to get by and going to jail. I would have publicly funded gun safety courses.
    Zombieguy1987
  • TTKDBTTKDB 261 Pts
    edited January 11
    @Zombieguy1987

    "Ugh. Another off topic argument!

    N.E.X.T.!"

    If some maybe have an issue or issues, with the weapons laws in their locality, state, or with the United States in general, I would suggest getting an attorney, and stating ones disagreements with either the highest court in their own state, or maybe by having their disagreement expressed before the SCOTUS, itself? 




    Zombieguy1987
  • TTKDBTTKDB 261 Pts
    @WordsMatter

    "The way I would go about indirect gun control"

    My suggestion with this line of dialogue, would be to reach out to ATF, the police department, or the FBI in your state, and see how they view, indirect gun control? 
  • TTKDBTTKDB 261 Pts
    @WordsMatter

    This insight, is both sad and educational at the same time.

    "There's gonna be a whole lot of people ready to sell guns to criminals without running a background check. Chicago for example. People go way outside the city, buy up a bunch of guns, take the serial numbers off and then sell them to criminals in the hood at a marked up cost."

    And then there is video, that can maybe shed some light on the above points of view? 


    Zombieguy1987
  • So the United State in the use of gun law as control of victims is the one crime of murder that can reoccur. Almost sounds like someone is trying to interpret  around double jeopardy for the use of politics.
  • TTKDB said:
    @WordsMatter

    This insight, is both sad and educational at the same time.

    "There's gonna be a whole lot of people ready to sell guns to criminals without running a background check. Chicago for example. People go way outside the city, buy up a bunch of guns, take the serial numbers off and then sell them to criminals in the hood at a marked up cost."

    And then there is video, that can maybe shed some light on the above points of view? 



    you can’t use the same video and expect a different reaction about it

    https://www.google.com/search?q=victims+of+religion&safe=active&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=x&ved=0ahukewihu9jugorfahwkmeakhbtib00q_auidigb&biw=1920&bih=963&safe=active

    Socialism/Communism are great on paper, but all you need to do is look at Venezuela or North Korea see why these economic systems fail

    Repealing the Second Amendment is the first step to Totalitarianism, and it needs to be prevented to protect our freedom 

    http://www.atheistrepublic.com/
  • There's gonna be a whole lot of people ready to sell guns to criminals without running a background check. Chicago for example. People go way outside the city, buy up a bunch of guns, take the serial numbers off and then sell them to criminals in the hood at a marked up cost.

    The way I would go about indirect gun control would be to get better mental healthcare to areas with high crime rate, but that's probably too socialist. I would put in big tax breaks for businesses to hire low income employees giving a better option over crime. I would go the opposite way and let federal criminal status be private so Ex cons can get work and not just stay in a cycle of committing crime to get by and going to jail. I would have publicly funded gun safety courses.
    what I'm saying would be in addition to what already exists, I never said anything about removing existing laws just to be clear.  There's nothing to stop people from selling guns illegally and to criminals except their own conscious.
    Getting people employed is a good idea, though hiding their crimes from employers who want to know is dishonest don't you think?  Seems to me there are jobs that a criminal (depending on the crime) should never have.  Again depending on the crime after a certain period of time or conditions the records could be sealed or something.  Though I think that process starts with charging and sentencing.  You hear about charges being dropped, reduced etc so perhaps rather that doing it at the beginning it's done at the end?
    "I'm just a soul whose intentions are good
    Oh Lord, please don't let me be misunderstood"
    The Animals
  • I've heard a similar proposal made some years ago, it may have been in response to Sandy Hook.  I don't remember all of the details, but I believe the jest of it was that, after a fashion, NICS would be opened up to the public.  A would-be buyer would enter his identifying information into NICS.  If he's approved, he'll get an authorization code.  He gives the authorization code to the prospective seller.  The seller enters the code into NICS and checks to see that the sale is approved, then sells the gun.  The buyer's information is automatically deleted after 2 weeks.  I think that's how it went, anyway.  I've only seen the idea floated once and haven't been able to find it again.  I thought it was an idea worthy of discussion
    ApplesauceZombieguy1987
  • ApplesauceApplesauce 172 Pts
    edited January 11
    @CYDdharta

    that would be brilliant, no wonder it never came to fruission :(   Locally they tried having a couple of state police, it was setup a table up at a gun show for private sales, they only did a couple of transfers.  Other states have tried similar, only to find out whatever level of police didn't have access to the fed. records lol
    I'm not sure if it's still around, but in the next town they created a 'save zone'  It was near the cop shop I think, it was well lit and has cameras.  The idea was to let people use it for custody exchanges or anytime you wanted to sell something, it was a relatively secure place to do things like that, good idea imo
    We need more ways to allow people to self help imo.
    Another thought I had would be if you were prohibited from having a fire arm, it would be tied into the bar code of your picture i.d. like d.l.  There's all sorts of card swipers you can get for phones, so you just swipe the i.d. and it says if you can sell to them or not, again because the records are public knowledge anyway, privacy is a non issue.  Also you consent to give up that privacy in order to purchase a firearm.  Either way that point is mood.
    Electronic records are pretty quick to update and that is the future, just look at healthcare, there's no reason the criminal system should be so far behind.
    "I'm just a soul whose intentions are good
    Oh Lord, please don't let me be misunderstood"
    The Animals
  • TTKDBTTKDB 261 Pts
    edited January 11
    @Zombieguy1987

    "you can’t use the same video and expect a different reaction about it"

    Sure you can.

    "Should America have gun control?"


    "Gun control without the need for laws"


    Because of the themes, on two separate forums, with the same dialogue, written within, the wording of the separate forums?

    "Gun control" is the linking verbiage between, both of the forums.

    The words (gun control,) carries the same definition regardless of who expresses the dialogue.

    For example, when an offender or a criminal kills someone with a legally purchased weapon, the words (murder or manslaughter) still carry the same definitions, even if a pro gun individual, views things differently from their individual pro weapon narratives, verses how someone who's pro community, and pro law abiding with their individual narratives? 
    Zombieguy1987Applesauce
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